Hi,
in an effort to make my AI mod work with the game after patch #2, I did some extensive testing on the cars performances. With some interesting results.
Track/mode:
Melbourne
GP Mode
short weekend
all sims on
realistic rules
Same setup for all cars - I know that some cars might "like" the setup more or less, but I needed fixed conditions.
Setup:
Wings - 3/3
Brakes - 50/50/normal pressure
ARB - 2/10
Ride Height - 2/2
Springs - 6/5
Gearbox - 7th gear at 331 kph (on KERS-cars, same setting for backmarkers)
Fuel - fastest mix. 5 laps fuel load
Camber - -3.3/-0.9
Toe - each 1 "step" right from the middle
Now the interesting part, LAPTIMES: (Yes, with full TC and ABS, but manual gears, I don't own a wheel ...)
McLaren - 1:20,8
RedBull - 1:20,9
Ferrari - 1:21,1
Sauber - 1:21,6 (theor. best of 1:21,3 w/o invalid laps) - What the?!?!?!
Mercedes - 1:21,9
Renault - 1:22,4
Force India - 1:23,0
Williams - 1:23,0
Toro Rosso - 1:23,1
Virgin - 1:25,0
Lotus - 1:25,1
didn't test HRT as I assume it to be level with lotus and virgin
The Sauber is really a "duck out of the row". Seemed while driving, that it has much too much cornering performance, as it felt almost like the ferrari.
So the players cars SEEM to be sorted "tier-wise":
Tier 1: RedBull, McLaren, Ferrari, Sauber
Tier 2: Mercedes
Tier 3: Renault
Tier 4: Force India, Toro Rosso, Williams
Tier 5: Lotus, Virgin, HRT
I count the Sauber as tier 1 as it is simply closer to tier 1 than tier 2. apart from the sauber it seems fine, sauber should (imo) be level with the renault ...
AI cars are sorted a little differently: (taken from original database)
Tier 1: Redbull, McLaren, Ferrari
Tier 2: Mercedes, Renault
Tier 3: Toro Rosso, Sauber
Tier 4: Force India, Williams
Tier 5: Lotus, Virgin, HRT
So it comes at no surprise, that people report about teammates getting stronger over the season change, especially if you take into account, that the gap between the tiers is different for the player and the AI cars.
Problem for my mod is though, that I cannot fix the sauber bug. Workaround is obvious: don't drive the sauber
As AI cars they drive as one would expect them to.
The main reason why I post all this, is if you guys can confirm that
I tested everything on a blank savegame, so no tier promotions.
Would be nice to get some feedback.
/edit:
The hacking order I would LIKE to see is this one:
T1: RB, McL, Ferrari
T2: MGP
T3: TR, FI, Renault, Sauber
T4: Williams
T5: Lotus, Virgin, HRT
What do you think?
in an effort to make my AI mod work with the game after patch #2, I did some extensive testing on the cars performances. With some interesting results.
Track/mode:
Melbourne
GP Mode
short weekend
all sims on
realistic rules
Same setup for all cars - I know that some cars might "like" the setup more or less, but I needed fixed conditions.
Setup:
Wings - 3/3
Brakes - 50/50/normal pressure
ARB - 2/10
Ride Height - 2/2
Springs - 6/5
Gearbox - 7th gear at 331 kph (on KERS-cars, same setting for backmarkers)
Fuel - fastest mix. 5 laps fuel load
Camber - -3.3/-0.9
Toe - each 1 "step" right from the middle
Now the interesting part, LAPTIMES: (Yes, with full TC and ABS, but manual gears, I don't own a wheel ...)
McLaren - 1:20,8
RedBull - 1:20,9
Ferrari - 1:21,1
Sauber - 1:21,6 (theor. best of 1:21,3 w/o invalid laps) - What the?!?!?!
Mercedes - 1:21,9
Renault - 1:22,4
Force India - 1:23,0
Williams - 1:23,0
Toro Rosso - 1:23,1
Virgin - 1:25,0
Lotus - 1:25,1
didn't test HRT as I assume it to be level with lotus and virgin
The Sauber is really a "duck out of the row". Seemed while driving, that it has much too much cornering performance, as it felt almost like the ferrari.
So the players cars SEEM to be sorted "tier-wise":
Tier 1: RedBull, McLaren, Ferrari, Sauber
Tier 2: Mercedes
Tier 3: Renault
Tier 4: Force India, Toro Rosso, Williams
Tier 5: Lotus, Virgin, HRT
I count the Sauber as tier 1 as it is simply closer to tier 1 than tier 2. apart from the sauber it seems fine, sauber should (imo) be level with the renault ...
AI cars are sorted a little differently: (taken from original database)
Tier 1: Redbull, McLaren, Ferrari
Tier 2: Mercedes, Renault
Tier 3: Toro Rosso, Sauber
Tier 4: Force India, Williams
Tier 5: Lotus, Virgin, HRT
So it comes at no surprise, that people report about teammates getting stronger over the season change, especially if you take into account, that the gap between the tiers is different for the player and the AI cars.
Problem for my mod is though, that I cannot fix the sauber bug. Workaround is obvious: don't drive the sauber
The main reason why I post all this, is if you guys can confirm that
I tested everything on a blank savegame, so no tier promotions.
Would be nice to get some feedback.
/edit:
The hacking order I would LIKE to see is this one:
T1: RB, McL, Ferrari
T2: MGP
T3: TR, FI, Renault, Sauber
T4: Williams
T5: Lotus, Virgin, HRT
What do you think?