Discussion in 'Motorsports' started by Bram, Mar 14, 2009.
yep elbows will not be in MotoGP for 2010, was hoping he will but hey 2011 is ok too
For those that say the bike is designed for Casey your wrong. His style just suits the Ducati. If you saw Laguna 2008 when Rossi was leading Casey, Casey would be on full throttle before Rossi the reason being the traction control would sort it out for him. The reason people find it hard to ride the Ducati is because to get the most out of it you need to wind on the throttle coming out of the corner at full lean. That was Melandri's biggest problem about riding the Duke, he wasnt able to get on the power early enough.
I'm going to have to politely disagree about Stoner.
The thing is this: Stoner gels with the Ducati better than anyone else since Loris Capirossi. The traction control usage argument is a furphy to try and explain why one rider can win on the Ducati when no-one else can.
I'll step out of the conversation now, as I've watched these threads end in mud slinging matches in many a motorcycle forum and I'd rather like to avoid it here.
Great news, Spies has been a revelation in WSBK this year & deserves a shot at the MotoGP circus.
Entertaining weekend thus far, especially between the Fiat Yamaha riders. Race should be good.
Top 10 after final qualifying are:
7 De Angelis
9 De Puniet
Are you forgetting your country man Mr Bayliss ?
MotoGP 2009 - Round 14: Estoril
Round 14 on October the 4th at Estoril
Track lenght:4.182,720 m
No, I didn't forget Troy Bayliss, but one can't point to a one off ride win (spectacular as it was) as a steadfast example of an easy bike to ride.
What it does prove though, is how important is for rider to gel with machine. What is noteworthy is Bayliss brought over his entire superbike crew for that 2006 race.
With the right people in place, Bayliss got the bike set-up exactly how he liked, was fast from the first practice and won on Sunday. Winning was something Troy rarely looked like doing before, although he was somewhat competitive on the MotoGP Ducati (much like Colin Edwards for Tech 3).
My point being: it is a combination of things that make a world champion. Rossi has, by no coincidence, the best bike, pit crew plus his sublime talent.
Currently, Lorenzo, Stoner and Pedrosa aren't far behind in all categories. Stoner nad his team were fantastic during 2007, and didn't look too shabby in '08 & '09. The TC/electronics debate is moot simply because every team/bike has it and uses it.
Rossi schooled everyone in this race.
Pedrosa says he wanted Yamaha ride
Dani Pedrosa says the only reason why he is staying at the Honda team for another year is because there were not openings at Yamaha.
The Spaniard and team-mate Andrea Dovizioso were confirmed at Repsol Honda for another year last weekend, but the Spanish rider made it clear HRC was not his preferred choice.
Pedrosa also said next year will be the last season he stays with his current team if his bike is not competitive enough.
"Simply because there was no room at Yamaha, that would have been good," Pedrosa told Italia1 television about his decision to stick with Honda.
"Besides, I've given Honda my faith for one more year to see if they can make the bike better.
"Otherwise, after one year without improvement, maybe it'll be over."
Yamaha has Valentino Rossi and Jorge Lorenzo under contract for next year, after the Spanish rider decided to extend his deal with the Japanese squad.
Eight-time champion Rossi, who has suggested he would like to ride for Ducati before retiring, said there are no doubts about his presence at Yamaha next year.
But the Italian admitted things were open after that.
"Certainly not next year, because for 2010 I already have a signed contract with Yamaha," he said.
"As for after 2010, obviously Yamaha will have to tell us what they want to do in the upcoming years, because we need to hear what their plans are for the future. We are ready for anything."
WOW this is big news
Pedrosa wanted to go to Yamaha and Rossi want's to go to Ducati
Whether it will happen, you don't know.
2007 Ducati had the better bike with the new 800 rules, there no denying about it, and on top of that, Stoner did very well on the bike and deserved that championship. One thing though that you haven't picked up on, is that in 08 the fuel tank size was reduced from 23litres down to 21.5 litres, of which then stopped Ducati from creating their engine to run at such high rpm's and have such a speed advantage. I'm not saying that was the only reason Casey won the title in 07 as his bike put out the most power, but you cant say having 10 even 15kmh in a straightline more over your nearest competitor isn't gunna help things out.
Looks like Ben is going to replace James Toseland in the tech 3 yamaha squad for next season :thinking:.....
James Toseland loses MotoGP ride
By Matthew Birt - MCN
17 September 2009 13:17
James Toseland is likely to make a swift but reluctant return to World Superbikes in 2010 after losing his MotoGP ride.
World Superbike sensation Ben Spies has opted to quit World Superbikes and move to the Monster Yamaha Tech 3 squad where he will join fellow Texan Colin Edwards next season in an all-American team.
According to MCN sources, Toseland’s departure was finalised earlier this week after meetings between Tech 3 boss Herve Poncharal and senior Yamaha management in Milan.
Despite a hugely promising rookie campaign in 2008 when he claimed six top six finishes, the Yorkshireman has struggled to build on that success this season.
He was badly hindered by two massive pre-season crashes but only three top six finishes in the opening 13 races of 2009 have failed to save Toseland from the axe.
Spies, who recently signed a two-year deal with Yamaha, has decided to quit WSB even though he has yet to clinch the world title.
It was thought the triple American superbike champion would delay a decision on his 2010 plans until his WSB title fight with Ducati star Noriyuki Haga had been concluded.
But his decision has meant the end of Toseland’s MotoGP career after just two seasons racing against in the elite class.
MCN also understands Toseland’s manager Roger Burnett was in Milan this week trying to secure the 28-year-old British rider a place in Yamaha’s World Superbike squad as replacement for Spies.
But there is fierce competition for an R1 ride with World Supersport leader Cal Crutchlow a leading candidate. Aussie Chris Vermeulen also held talks with Yamaha management in Italy this week.
An official announcement on Spies’ decision could be made shortly with details now being leaked. If not the deal will probably made official at the Imola WSB round next weekend.
I think James should go back to WSBK, he hasnt done bad in Moto GP and he sure isnt the first person to have trouble moving from WSBK to Moto GP and definately wont be the last.
Qualifying result for the Portuguese MotoGP:
1. Jorge Lorenzo (Spain) Yamaha 1min 36.214secs
2. Valentino Rossi (Italy) Yamaha 1:36.474
3. Casey Stoner (Australia) Ducati 1:36.528
4. Dani Pedrosa (Spain) Honda 1:36.702
5. Colin Edwards (U.S.) Yamaha 1:37.142
6. Randy de Puniet (France) Honda 1:37.448
7. Loris Capirossi (Italy) Suzuki 1:37.489
8. Andrea Dovizioso (Italy) Honda 1:37.541
9. Nicky Hayden (U.S.) Ducati 1:37.654
10. Mika Kallio (Finland) Ducati 1:37.813
1 Jorge LORENZO SPA Fiat Yamaha Team Yamaha
2 Casey STONER AUS Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati
3 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda
4 Valentino ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team Yamaha
5 Colin EDWARDS USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha
6 Toni ELIAS SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda
7 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Repsol Honda Team Honda
8 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati
9 James TOSELAND GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha
10 Chris VERMEULEN AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki
11 Randy DE PUNIET FRA LCR Honda MotoGP Honda
12 Marco MELANDRI ITA Hayate Racing Team Kawasaki
13 Niccolo CANEPA ITA Pramac Racing Ducati
14 Gabor TALMACSI HUN Scot Racing Team MotoGP Honda
65 Loris CAPIROSSI ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki
15 Alex DE ANGELIS RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda
36 Mika KALLIO FIN Pramac Racing Ducati
MotoGP 2009 - Round 15: Australia
October 18th is Stoners home GP for the MotoGP.
Track Facts :
Track lenght 4445 meters.
Finish line lenght is 835 meters.
Nicky Hayden ( 2008 ) 1.30.059
Pole time Casey Stoner ( 2008 ) 1.28.665
MotoGP 2009 - Round 16: Malaysia
The penultimate round of the 2009 season on the 25th of October
while watching the race they sayed at Valencia there will be a 5th Yamaha with Elbows on it
anyone can confirm this as on DSF they talk more shi* as a cow can make in one year
ben spes will ride
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