Two or Three Pedals - What Do You Prefer?

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How many pedals do you prefer?


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Sim racing rigs are as diverse as the people behind their racing wheels: Everyone has different preferences, which results in different hardware combinations and setups. As modern racing cars use paddles to shift gears, the clutch pedal is an increasingly rare sight in cockpits both on track and in homes - do you still insist on a third pedal?

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For many racing cars, the clutch is only needed to get moving from a standstill - which is then often handled either by automatic systems as found in GT3 cars like the Audi R8 LMS GT3 Evo II, Lamborghini Huracán GT3 EVO2 or Porsche 911 GT3 R (992), or via clutch paddles on the steering wheel. In Formula cars, this happened in the 1990s already to use less space for the footwell, but it has become standard in almost every modern racing car today.

Modern Days, Modern Solutions​

Manual shifting is mostly for enthusiasts in sim racing these days, and those who do will rely on a pedal-operated clutch. They often have to order an additional pedal if they spring for a new set, as many models come with just a throttle and brake - so it is not necessarily surprising that many sim racing rigs only feature two pedals.

Knowing the coordination and dance moves on the pedals needed to put it together, this lap by Ayrton Senna is even more impressive.

While it is possible to drive cars that use an H-shifter with paddles as well thanks to clutch assists, many drivers rarely do - or at least not often enough to warrant the addition of a clutch pedal or a shifter - and go with two pedals as a result. Some even build their rigs specifically to resemble the cockpit of certain cars or types of cars.

How About You?​

We want to know: How many pedals do you prefer on your rig? Is a clutch a necessity for your, or are you doing fine without one? Let us know in the comments below and in the poll!

Editor's Take​

As someone who enjoys both modern and vintage content, a clutch pedal and H-shifter are indispensable for my rig. I tend to drive cars with the type of transmission they actually had, so racing a 1967 Formula One car with paddle shifters, for example, simply does not feel right to me. Manual sequential cars are similar, and I enjoy those massively, too.

On the other hand, it is completely understandable if someone decides against a clutch pedal. It is often cheaper to just get two pedals - certainly once the higher end of the line is reached - to go racing, especially if they know that they are not going to use the extra pedal. Clutch paddles are also available for or with many wheels these days, so the need for the clutch assist to get moving after pit stops, for example, is also eliminated.

In the end, it is a subjective call - if you know that older cars do not interest you, you might as well go with two pedals. If you are on the fence or racing vintage vehicles only sometimes, not grabbing a clutch pedal might bar you from taking in the full experience later on, although most pedal sets can be updated with a third pedal at a later point.
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Two pedals. Screw "heel and toe". It seems so glamorous to people who didn't grow up driving those buckets of bolts that required a new clutch every 2 months even if you weren't racing them.

Plus I can align the brake pedal exactly where I want it for left foot braking. As opposed to scrunching my left leg up against my right leg as if I am trying to protect my virginity.
 
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Two unless I wanted to do drifting, and single seaters and modern GT3 only need clutch to start moving the car. I find the clutch pedal a useless chore that adds absolutely nothing but a useless physical and mental exhaustion to my driving experience. I'm way too fed up with the clutch pedal in real life as to also have to use it in the virtual one.

A real life clutch has a haptic response on your entire body as you feel how the car reacts to the clutch release, in the virtual world it is just another useless pedal with no feedback at all that is used in a mostly non realistic way. Also, a real life clutch pedal doesn't have a linear response as the ones in simracing, a real life clutch isn't linearly progressive, it bites in a relatively very small zone of the pedal travel.

The gearbox manual shifter is another stupid lever with no purpose at all as it lacks the haptic response that a real one has, you can't miss a gear change, you can't destroy a gearbox syncronizers by using badly the gearbox or failing the right timing.

And even if we supposed that the virtual car had a dogbox gearbox, then the clutch pedal would be as usefull as the one on a F1 car.

I see the clutch pedal as something that caters more to the people that drive with racing gloves but without shoes with tripple screens or VR, a bucket seat in a frame that cost as much as my real life car and does heal an toe on every downshift.

I'm not that try hard, and the thing is that I'm not out of the pace at all with respect to them with pretty rudimentary almost 25 years old dirt cheap hardware, and I take pride on that.

Some people have forgotten that this wasn't about making your life misserable, bragging and act in a poser way in forums, this is about by any legal and morally right way overperform other people in the races.

Any useless input that you have to make methodically with a strict timing is a waste of mental endurance that you are going to miss very dearly later in the race, and as the race goes longer and longer you are more and more prone to mistakes than someone that only have had to handle 2 pedals and a paddle shifer all race long. And it isn't even more realistic driving, as most manual transmission racing cars have dog box gearboxes or semi automatic transmissions.
 
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I find manual transmissions in sim racing to be a lot of fun, and that is in spite of having a shifter with the action of a sick stuck in a gelatin cube, the Thrustmaster TH8A. It's only proper to shift an H-pattern with a clutch pedal. Doing it without the pedal feels strange to me and having the pedal without the shifter (no matter how limp) is just plain wrong in my book. So, give me 3 pedals, or give me a fighting game!
 
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Clutch pedals are like insurance, It's better to have it when you need it than to need it and not have it.
 
I mostly drive H pattern cars, if a wheel comes with pedals at all then I'd want 3. For a minute I actually had 5 pedals under my desk so I can say 3 is the sweet spot.
 
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Two because if I try to heel toe with my piece of **** Thrustmaster T-LCM I am sure my brake pedal will fall apart.
I love 80s F1 cars but I am too poor to change for a better pedal set.
 
Two pedals. Screw "heel and toe". It seems so glamorous to people who didn't grow up driving those buckets of bolts that required a new clutch every 2 months even if you weren't racing them.

Plus I can align the brake pedal exactly where I want it for left foot braking. As opposed to scrunching my left leg up against my right leg as if I am trying to protect my virginity.
I'm driving with 2 pedals with a T-LCM, always felt like my fertility was under threat when I raced over a long period of time. All those long hours pinching my jewels between my thighs can't be healthy.
 
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I'm driving with 2 pedals with a T-LCM, always felt like my fertility was under threat when I raced over a long period of time. All those long hours pinching my jewels between my thighs can't be healthy.
Know that feeling, often have to do an emergency turn one ball lift resulting in a short depressing of the throttle. Things like this can cost you the race.
Now female simracers don't have this problem. I think we need to stand up for equality at some point, right? This biological burden is interfering with our lap times. It's just not fair.
 
Two unless I wanted to do drifting, and single seaters and modern GT3 only need clutch to start moving the car. I find the clutch pedal a useless chore that adds absolutely nothing but a useless physical and mental exhaustion to my driving experience. I'm way too fed up with the clutch pedal in real life as to also have to use it in the virtual one.

A real life clutch has a haptic response on your entire body as you feel how the car reacts to the clutch release, in the virtual world it is just another useless pedal with no feedback at all that is used in a mostly non realistic way. Also, a real life clutch pedal doesn't have a linear response as the ones in simracing, a real life clutch isn't linearly progressive, it bites in a relatively very small zone of the pedal travel.

The gearbox manual shifter is another stupid lever with no purpose at all as it lacks the haptic response that a real one has, you can't miss a gear change, you can't destroy a gearbox syncronizers by using badly the gearbox or failing the right timing.

And even if we supposed that the virtual car had a dogbox gearbox, then the clutch pedal would be as usefull as the one on a F1 car.

I see the clutch pedal as something that caters more to the people that drive with racing gloves but without shoes with tripple screens or VR, a bucket seat in a frame that cost as much as my real life car and does heal an toe on every downshift.

I'm not that try hard, and the thing is that I'm not out of the pace at all with respect to them with pretty rudimentary almost 25 years old dirt cheap hardware, and I take pride on that.

Some people have forgotten that this wasn't about making your life misserable, bragging and act in a poser way in forums, this is about by any legal and morally right way overperform other people in the races.

Any useless input that you have to make methodically with a strict timing is a waste of mental endurance that you are going to miss very dearly later in the race, and as the race goes longer and longer you are more and more prone to mistakes than someone that only have had to handle 2 pedals and a paddle shifer all race long. And it isn't even more realistic driving, as most manual transmission racing cars have dog box gearboxes or semi automatic transmissions.
Or... you know.. people just enjoy driving the old way?

Its a game at the end of the day, if someone wants to have fun doing the 3 pedal dance or only ever drive GT3 cars so be it as long as they're happy.
 
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This is my 2 pedal solution for G29 pedals. Clutch removed, Brake pedal moved. Currently not enough room for 3 pedals.

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I have a G29 so three pedals, but I rarely use the clutch - only with some cars that refuse to move without it. I don't have any room for H-shifter either.
 
Three.

Because I like to drive every car like I would have to irl. And vintage cars don't have paddle shift.
 
I voted either. My TM rig has a clutch but I rarely use it for race sims. Mainly for starts on older stuff and classic cars. So just two pedals normally with left foot braking and right foot for the go faster bit. :)
 

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