Cars Williams - BMW FW24

[Schifarteruft]

new nose, new front wing

 

[garyjpaterson]

Looks sweet - the end plate could maybe use some chamfers to keep in line with the rest though

 

[Schifarteruft]

Looks sweet - the end plate could maybe use some chamfers to keep in line with the rest though

Can you make a circle on these part? So that our 3d guy can understand better... Thank you

 

[garyjpaterson]

Just this highlighted edge, looks quite harsh compared to the rest. Probably on the to do list already

 

[Schifarteruft]

Another front wing view. New tyres, now no more over-inflated , tyre dealer was an incompetent thanks again for the tips guys

 

[Constantin Grimminger]

I dunno what's my personal issue with your car, but it feels like the Nose is either too high or too narrow or the front wing isn't flat as I'm used to see it, but something bothers me really much about that car. Looks more like the FW27 nose atm IMO.

Don't want to discredit your good work though, keep it up

 

[asehauDLM]

I dunno what's my personal issue with your car, but it feels like the Nose is either too high or too narrow or the front wing isn't flat as I'm used to see it, but something bothers me really much about that car. Looks more like the FW27 nose atm IMO.

Don't want to discredit your good work though, keep it up

I agree with that. I don't think the nose is the problem, the position and size of the nose is good.
But the bending/curve of the frontwing is way too strong.
And the strong curve of the wing results in a very tall looking nose because the connecting pieces are longer than they were on the real car.
If you reduce the curve of the wing the connecting pieces will automatically get shorter and overall it will look much more like the real car.

The early season frontwing was completely flat:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/schu-mont-sepa-2002.jpg
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/car/1201/Williams-FW24-BMW-8811.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/eb/dc/c3/ebdcc3f9fe48e47e8e11abc6a8fc5c06.jpg
https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/b/bmw/williams/f1_fw24/bmw_williamsf1_fw24_10.jpg

The late season frontwing had a very little curve in it, but it was never as strong as in your newest picture:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-conte...pablomontoya_williamsbmw_silverstone_2002.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c0/c9/e3/c0c9e36260799670066526026e81f6f6.jpg
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/start-suzu-2002.jpg

So I think you should make the front wing more flat but keep a little curve in it.

But I noticed another important thing.
Your Fronttyres are way too narrow, they need to be much wider!
Check out the pictures above and compare the tyres, the real ones were much wider, almost as wide as the rear tyres!

 

[Uff]

Front tyres seem very narrow to me too.

 

[Schifarteruft]

it's true... we are fixing it about the tyres something went wrong...maybe an exporting issue... anyway we are at work

 

[Schifarteruft]

now should be better

 

[Mitja Bonca]

Check this engle:

 

[Mitja Bonca]

And I would say front tires are still not wide enough.
Type "2002 F1 Technical Regulations" into google and check pdf in 1st link ( cannot copyit here) about tech regulations for 2002.
Scroll down to page 21 for Tires regs, and there are dimensions specified. Im sure everyone used the max width allowed.
You can also double check for all other dimension of the car.

 

[asehauDLM]

Check this engle:

Mitja, this special wing was only used at Indianapolis, it has very short connecting pieces.
Check this one from Spa, for most of the season they were longer:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c0/c9/e3/c0c9e36260799670066526026e81f6f6.jpg

The front tyres are much better now!
I think it always depends on perspective but I think the tyres are wide enough now.

 

[Mitja Bonca]

The front tyres are much better now!
I think it always depends on perspective but I think the tyres are wide enough now.

No, wrong. It should base on real numbers, and that's it! No assumptions, sorry. If they will do it this way, then nothing else matters.

 

[asehauDLM]

It's always a thing of perspective, in their first screenshot (the rendering) the tyres look wider than in screenshots 2 and 3 (ingame).

There's no need for further discussion about the tyres until we have an official answer from the creators if they used the dimensions from the regulations or not.

Check out this screenshot from the F2002 that's been released already and compare to the new screenshots above, looks very similar to me: http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1461/24581772425_39b4ff8c02_o.jpg
http://www.hiclasscar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/25374.jpg

 

[ltcars]

If you are unsure about the tyre width of the data and the model you can open the car in the Content Manager and then in the CM showroom you can click on "tyres" and it will show you where the tyres are from the data point of view and how big the tyres are etc.

 

[aphidgod]

And you can check whether the physical tires match the 3d model by opening the suspensions dev app and pressing 1/2/3/4 to show the wheels.

 

[garyjpaterson]

Bear in mind, the official dimension may just be quoting the tread width, the full width could be larger. Its certainly the case with the Hoosier Slicks I've been dealing with.

 

[Schifarteruft]

@Mitja Bonca about the front wing, the one you posted, is unique version as explained above. So we have chosen the late season wing, even becouse is nicer. Edit: Now I'm seeing better.. it's the FW25.

About the tyres...
obviously we used the original technical regulations, together with other papers not available online (but only for mechanical engineering students at my university). Ther was a problem exporting the .kn5, few 3d part disappeared... so to find a solution was exported the wrong .kn5 with a wrong tyre size.
Anyway I suppose you should know, tyres width have a range: 305 - 355 mm for front tyres and 365 - 380 mm. So every value inside these range is ok. Tyres width is at the discretion of tyres builder and is not right they used always the maximum dimension.

Just to point out... the entire car was developed with real data. No assumptions.

 

[qqwweerty]

The car shown in the picture that Mitja Bonca posted is obviously the FW25 not FW24