Vettel will NOT go to Ferrari

jacktorrance · Sep 29, 2012

Message to mr Vettel: Ferrari will not have a working windtunnel untill 2015, wich means they wont be producing a top car until 2016. End of message.

http://www.blogf1.it/2012/09/29/ferrari-a-breve-i-lavori-per-la-nuova-galleria-del-vento/

You might also wonder why go to a team that after 3 (!) years of restructuring concludes they need a new windtunnel. Complete lack of leadership and vision in Maranello these days. Enzo must be turning in his grave.

Goozer · Sep 29, 2012

You might want to post something not in Italian for those who don't understand it.
BTW, the article says that Ferrari windtunnel has given conflicting results for the last few years, but despite this Ferrari has managed to put together an impressive car, with whom Alonso has been a runner-up for the 2010 championship and is now leading the WDC. Actually, aside from some logistics issues, if the Toyota windtunnel will give less conflicting data, Ferrari could actually benefit by using it. Also, this doesn't mean that Vettel won't, or shouldn't move to Ferrari in the next few years.

Hampus Andersson · Sep 29, 2012

Yea they are using Toyota´s win tunnel at Cologne now, one of the most state-of-the-art wind tunnels on the planet.

Chris Jenkins · Sep 29, 2012

jacktorrance said:
Message to mr Vettel: Ferrari will not have a working windtunnel untill 2015, wich means they wont be producing a top car until 2016. End of message.

http://www.blogf1.it/2012/09/29/ferrari-a-breve-i-lavori-per-la-nuova-galleria-del-vento/

You might also wonder why go to a team that after 3 (!) years of restructuring concludes they need a new windtunnel. Complete lack of leadership and vision in Maranello these days. Enzo must be turning in his grave.

A bit over the top don't you think?

Last I heard, Ferrari were top of the drivers championship, with Alonso being one of only two drivers to win more than 2 races this year.

Carlos Luna · Sep 29, 2012

This move will probably help Ferrari instead of hurt them as well, after seeing that they were being hindered by their current wind tunnel producing conflicting data.

Markus Neumann · Sep 30, 2012

jacktorrance said:
Enzo must be turning in his grave.

Enzo Ferrari always hated the importance of aerodynamics and the team wasn't particularly good at it during his time, so this is actually completely typical for Ferrari

From 2014 on, the engine will be much more important too, so this might not be such a big deal.

jacktorrance · Oct 1, 2012

Chris Jenkins said:
A bit over the top don't you think?

Last I heard, Ferrari were top of the drivers championship, with Alonso being one of only two drivers to win more than 2 races this year.

Most put that to Alonso, and reckon in the dry the Ferrari is at least the 3rd or 4th fastest car with a half second deficit.

Why would Vettel want to go to such a team?

Chris Jenkins · Oct 1, 2012

Because they're the most successful team in F1?
And because they'll still be in F1 long after Red Bull loses commercial interest and leaves.

CJ Flynn · Oct 8, 2012

i thought it was just the torrro rosso team that are losing commercial... and the possibility the petrones might head into trouble losing their funding

Chris Jenkins · Oct 8, 2012

As far as business and commercial interest goes, Toro Rosso is drift wood to Red Bull. They'll sell TR the first opportunity they get.

Hampus Andersson · Oct 8, 2012

Selling it would defeat the purpose of the team. Which is to breed talent and take into RBR.
Like Vettel.

Chris Jenkins · Oct 8, 2012

Not really working for them since 2008 though is it?

Hampus Andersson · Oct 9, 2012

Chris Jenkins said:
Not really working for them since 2008 though is it?

Vettel´s doesn´t grow on trees. Like Hamilton´s Kimi´s and Alonso´s.

Look out for Felix Da Costa.

Jordi Casademunt · Oct 9, 2012

There's been like over 700 drivers in Formula 1?

Only 32 champions, and 104 race winners. That's 1 race winner out of every 7 drivers, and roughly 1 champion out of 23 drivers.

So yeah, it's not that easy to hit gold with new drivers.

Chris Jenkins · Oct 9, 2012

Hampus Andersson said:
Vettel´s doesn´t grow on trees. Like Hamilton´s Kimi´s and Alonso´s.

I agree. That's why I don't get why Red Bull waste millions of dollars year after year on a second team, churning out below-average drivers and leaving them on their ass two years later.
Develop through the traditional routes like everyone else.

Hampus Andersson · Oct 9, 2012

Chris Jenkins said:
I agree. That's why I don't get why Red Bull waste millions of dollars year after year on a second team, churning out below-average drivers and leaving them on their ass two years later.
Develop through the traditional routes like everyone else.

They got a 2-time world champion through that program. I´d say it´s worth it.

Chris Jenkins · Oct 9, 2012

True, but they got 1 race win through Toro Rosso.
Vettel's championships are through the Red Bull team, not through Toro Rosso.

Hampus Andersson · Oct 9, 2012

Chris Jenkins said:
True, but they got 1 race win through Toro Rosso.
Vettel's championships are through the Red Bull team, not through Toro Rosso.

Just like it should be. Toro Rosso is there to breed talent, not win championships.

Chris Jenkins · Oct 9, 2012

I see your point, I just personally think that Vettel was just in the right place at the right time.
In my opinion, if he was 23 driving for Red Bull in 2005/2006, he would be a nobody.
Yes he's a product of Toro Rosso and the develpment programme, but he's a success because of two exceptional cars.

Alexander Macdonald · Oct 9, 2012

If say Alguesauri or Ricciardo was in that Torro Rosso in 2008, they would be fighting for championships right now woth Red Bull. He did better than Bourdais, but so did Buemi in 09. And although he won in Monza, Bourdais, who hadn't been brilliant most of the season qualified fourth. Vettel is a very good driver, but he didn't really do any better than other drivers who joined Torro Rosso afterwards.