F1 2011 Suspension problems.

[jrdn7]

Me again! I'm having some real odd problems with my suspension set-ups. The standard set-up is 6/6 for springs, anti-roll bars & ride height and then -3.00 (front) & -1.50 (rear) for camber. Can't remember what the default toe angles are.

Running the above settings I'm doing, for example, 1:18.xxx round Monaco. If I change anything, I end up doing 1:20.xxx or slower. In theory, lowering the ride height (more overall grip), softening the front springs (more front end grip), softening the front anti-roll bar (more front end grip), stiffening the rear anti-roll bar slightly (more rear traction) & putting a slight more angle on the front camber (more front grip) should give me a more grippy car, hence a faster lap time. Most circuits bring the same problem, though some are more pronounced than others.

In S1 it wasn't such a problem, but near the end of S1 (Abu Dhabi on) and the start of S2 it's mad!

 

[John Robertson]

In monaco you'll need a much stiffer front end to get your car to turn into the corners. Actual grip here isn't that important as there aren't many high speed corners. So on a tighter track you will need more steering response out of your car, so make it stiffer.

Lots of tight turns = stiff front end.
Lots of fast turns = softer front end.

also make sure your wings are set high (I run my wings at 11/11 on monaco)

and for added response go ahead and put the camber and toe settings all the way left.

 

[Emil Praga]

In monaco you'll need a much stiffer front end to get your car to turn into the corners. Actual grip here isn't that important as there aren't many high speed corners. So on a tighter track you will need more steering response out of your car, so make it stiffer.

Lots of tight turns = stiff front end.
Lots of fast turns = softer front end.

also make sure your wings are set high (I run my wings at 11/11 on monaco)

and for added response go ahead and put the camber and toe settings all the way left.

as he said

 

[jrdn7]

Ahhh, thanks lad! So, regarding ride height, do I just set it all the way down to 1/1, then maybe bring it up to 2/2 if I'm bottoming out?

 

[Michael Brown]

You want it as low as possible, so you bottom out at top speed. If you are planning on attacking the kerbs, then you may need to raise it up a click. For example, at Suzuka I can run a 1/1 ride height without bottoming out, but I got a faster time by raising it to 2/2, because the car was more stable when I was using the kerbs.

 

[jrdn7]

Thanks for everything lads! Got pole by 2 secs on expert with a much better set-up, suspension problems definately sorted!

 

[Emil Praga]

most of the times at 1/1 height i always get sparkles flying behind my car like im using NOs constantly, lol

 

[Dimitrios Tsiakalos]

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Me again! I'm having some real odd problems with my suspension set-ups. The standard set-up is 6/6 for springs, anti-roll bars & ride height and then -3.00 (front) & -1.50 (rear) for camber. Can't remember what the default toe angles are.

Running the above settings I'm doing, for example, 1:18.xxx round Monaco. If I change anything, I end up doing 1:20.xxx or slower. In theory, lowering the ride height (more overall grip), softening the front springs (more front end grip), softening the front anti-roll bar (more front end grip), stiffening the rear anti-roll bar slightly (more rear traction) & putting a slight more angle on the front camber (more front grip) should give me a more grippy car, hence a faster lap time. Most circuits bring the same problem, though some are more pronounced than others.

In S1 it wasn't such a problem, but near the end of S1 (Abu Dhabi on) and the start of S2 it's mad!

your theory to soften up your front springs and leaving the rear at 6 is complete bull****. i read how renault set up their cars at monaco: -softer ARB ,stiffer fron ARB than rear for some turn in , you do need ride height there cause the surface is extremely bumby , and have a stiffer front springs and softer rear spring (in f12011 never run rear spring lower than 5 due to the bug with springs) for maximal taction and some responsiveness since the ARB are soften up. jope it helped a bit . heres the link for the guide : http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2009/5/9363.html

 

[jrdn7]

Dimitrios, thanks for that mate. Gonna take a good read at that link, seems to be very in-depth.

 

[TGApples]

That's a very ineresting article. Most interesting bit for me was the aerodynamics part - could never really work out Monaco on that front - turns out you want high downforce for stability under acceleration and braking rather than for taking corners.

Are there any other similar articles for other tracks?