Season 14 Race 3 Bahrain - Setup Thread

Nicolas Rouge · Apr 19, 2015

About downforce packages for Bahrain, I tried HDF and MDF and HDF is definitely faster for me (and safer) for a race setup. I don't know about qual setup, maybe ultimate speed is MDF on one lap and light fuel.

What do you think?

Nicolas Delamare · Apr 19, 2015

Yes, I'm faster too with MDF on qualy lap and safer in HDF for race pace.If I find a correct setup and am enough confident on myself I might choose the MDF.
Question about that: can we make the quali lap on MDF, left the game and come back witht the HDF for the race ?
Anyway with 60% closed brake duct and brake engine on 2, I broke my front-left brake after 40 minutes.

David Turnbull · Apr 19, 2015

Nicolas Delamare said:
Question about that: can we make the quali lap on MDF, left the game and come back witht the HDF for the race ?

I think its best you choose what your going to use for the whole event before qualifying as after we will be doing practise starts and warmup.

David Turnbull · Apr 20, 2015

Here's what I've got so far, using HDF package.

Nicolas Delamare · Apr 20, 2015

Damn, 45 minutes with BrakeEngine on 1 and again the front-left brake is gone ! Is the tire heat able to make the brake overheating ? Next time I'll try to reduce the duct to 40% !

Peter Decker · Apr 20, 2015

whats the brakeengine setting?

Dino Paolini · Apr 20, 2015

Nicolas Delamare said:
Damn, 45 minutes with BrakeEngine on 1 and again the front-left brake is gone ! Is the tire heat able to make the brake overheating ? Next time I'll try to reduce the duct to 40% !

brakemap on 1 is fine, your duct setting is more important.
Just take 30 or 40% duct and you should have no problem.

David Turnbull · Apr 23, 2015

i need some tips on tyre wear guys, either the setups im using or my general style is not well suited to keeping the tyres alive for long periods, what should i change in either to help me?

Nicolas Delamare · Apr 23, 2015

David Turnbull said:
i need some tips on tyre wear guys, either the setups im using or my general style is not well suited to keeping the tyres alive for long periods, what should i change in either to help me?

Reduce the camber is helpful to reduce the sliding of the car, and so the wear.It helps me a bit.I presume front tires are more a problem that rear right ?

Anyway if you drive in race like in quali, you will never make a 1 stop race.You set the absolute maximum downforce (I saw that in China with your top speed about 278 km/h on the backstraight when I could go to 292 !), and so you litterally absorb all your tire energy very quickly.
And you carry ton of speed in corner's entry, but too much I think ! You just have to reduce your pace and change your driving style.

PS: for the 3rd time, after 45 minutes and 40% brake duct, front left have decided to DNF !

I'm really...worry !

David Turnbull · Apr 23, 2015

yup fronts are the main problem, my style has always been to turn in early and use the understeer to make apex's, thats still working to be fast over 1 or 2 laps in rfactor2 but over a distance its not, i'll try some of your suggestions i.e cambers and downforce, regards downforce/wings what did you use at china?

Nicolas Delamare · Apr 23, 2015

28° front and 53° rear for the race.I had a very good 3rd sector as you've maybe seen, and "poor" 1 and 2, my lap times were not the best, it's clear. But as you can see it was the pace for a 3rd place.
Look after you front tire temperature, about 180-190° for the outer tire on a corner is too much, I'm around 140° and I think it's good !

MOOOOOOOOOSCHT · Apr 23, 2015

In Bahrain for me it helped allot to reduce the damper settings (on this bumpy track).
But refering to my race pace in the past i`m maybe not the best source for tips

Martin

Nicolas Rouge · Apr 24, 2015

In some turns (T13 in Shanghai, T6/T7 at Interlagos) you can really hurt you front tires when understeering because of the speed. In those turns you really need to avoid understeering as much as possible, and for that a technique is to open the wheel a little (ie reduce wheel angle) when you feel the understeering, and then, once you find the grip again (the wheel FFB becomes harder), you can increase the wheel angle a little without loosing the grip.

There are other sources of tire degradation (wheel spin, wheel blocking under braking, and slides) but those are easy to avoid.

Peter Decker · Apr 24, 2015

When I've heard the sky f1 commentators about China, they always stressed the importance of letting the diff setting make a over-steering balance. On power out of corners I can see how that is made, but on corner entry?

David Turnbull · Apr 24, 2015

I just noticed I've been using 380 degrees steering too, thats certainly not helping with understeer, can't even remember why I'd changed that, I was using 420 degrees for Melbourne and Sepang so that could be a big clue as to why my wear has went through the roof last 2 tracks.

Thanks for the suggestions too I'll try everything here

Nicolas Delamare · Apr 24, 2015

Peter Decker said:
On power out of corners I can see how that is made, but on corner entry?

On corner entry I would say that the higher rotation pace for the outer wheel gives the car more speed without turning too much the wheel, but I don't really understand that setting on the FR 3.5 (it's just theory), I just always put it on 35% for both power and brake and increase the preload to 0.5mm, for every track.And it makes the work...I think !

Nicolas Rouge · Apr 24, 2015

To illustrate what I said, here is the telemetry on me taking the T13 at Shanghai, during the race (lap 15). I "opened" the wheel twice, it has an immediate effect on tire temp (so on tire wear), but not on yaw speed...

Dino Paolini · Apr 24, 2015

There are some specific corners on every track where it pays to slow down on entry even if you could take it faster. Reason is not only the tire temperture in this particular moment, but even moreso the fact that the tire doesn't properly cool down anymore afterwards.

Bahrain is quite easy on the front-tires, but the rears get used a lot with all the accelerating out of slower turns.

Nicolas Delamare · Apr 25, 2015

Finally 20% for the brake duct is the right setting to complete the race.Speaking of, I ran with a 29° temperature (by default), what will be the temperature and the time (I mean game clock) for the race ?

Dino Paolini · Apr 25, 2015

My setup for Bahrain is HERE

FYI, If there is barely a difference to the one of the previous track, I won't post the same copy every time.

@Nicolas Delamare Did you look at your peak brake temperatures, what do they show for you? It shoudn't be that much higher than usual; Austria for example was harder for the brakes.