Season 13 - Weather

[Daniel Hansson]

Hello!

I see that a new season is on the way. That means that we are going to have some weather as well! I will be doing it again, unless the members of Presto would oppose it .

Post your opinions on the weather here.

Should we have weather for the first race?

 

[Sean Greenlaw]

I oppose you NOT! doing it

I think we will have a couple pre season races maybe we can have a slight wet 1 for new guys ? and get a opinion from them if they will like random weather 1st race .

 

[Kennett Ylitalo]

Random works well and we should also have some weather in pre-season practices. But i think it's better if pre-season is not changeable, just steady 40-50%.

 

[David Turnbull]

I'd like to thank you daniel for continueing to do this for us, youve been invaluable to the fun weve had for a huge number of seasons, and long may it continue.

time is getting short for practise races so hopefully all by now, trust daniels judgement in making the weather files without us having to practise beforehand, im happy to just go with it.

 

[Valerio Vinassa]

happy to see you again Daniel and thanks your work is aaaalways welcome

 

[Reik Major]

I agree with anything Daniel provides us! His great job for so many seasons was always an enrichment.

If I had one wish to Daniel I'd ask for a bigger variety in the Event if it happens to rain. For example a 5 min shower, then sunny again and maybe later rain again or so.

But since I never knew if Daniel creates the weather from scratch (like I would do with weather generator) or using a formular I would never dare to give any advice. And I really don't want to get too many details from him, to get the best effect out of it.

Bottom line: Go on with your great job - I'm happy with anything you do!

 

[Nicolai Nicholson]

I agree with all that is said above, and am also delighted that Daniel still is willing to put his magic touch on the racing.

As for chance of rain in the first race I think as David that the new guys should have a say on this. Maybe have a practice race with some weather 1 week before the season start?

 

[Jim Hawley]

Thanks for continuing to create our weather Daniel

PS. Can you switch the British summer back on for a few more weeks...it's gone bloody cold n wet over here and I've got mud on my new bike

 

[Peter Decker]

Huge thanks Daniel!

One idea: could something be made to avoid the extreme difference between on and off-path after drying up? Like 0% - 40% or what have had on several occasions and have been talking about. Maybe the only solution is to have pure wet races if wet at all (except lighter rain perhaps).

 

[Daniel Hansson]

Yes, probably.

A significant increase in temperature might help, but that has other negative effects. But I'm always up for discussion . Let the drivers deside.

 

[Peter Decker]

Ok.

Yes, we have discussed that a bit last seasons and mostly ruled changed temperatures out - that would demand more preparation time for all of us

I would think that maybe max 20% difference between on- and off-path would be a good balance. Hence maybe weathers could be constructed in 4 "levels".
1. Dry
2. Dry - light rain
3. Light - Heavy rain
4. Clouds are falling down

Please brainstorm with me here guys or cut my tongue off

 

[Nicolai Nicholson]

In my view the "weakness" of how the weather workds is:
-The long off path drying time
-That driving off-path doesn't seem to cool the tyres

The only solution I can see (without changing the temperature) is to avoid scenarios with a drying track. However, I do not think I would like to remove that part of the changeable weather.

So to sum up I do not see any solution to the above mentioned weaknesses.

I am not sure if I understand you post above mine Peter, how the 4 levels would help the on/off path wetness difference. Or are you talking about constant weather (or that it only goes from dryer to wetter and not the other way around)?

 

[David Turnbull]

i think he means constant wetness at any given event, we'd have 4 levels that daniel chooses from and the whole event stays like that.

to be honest the only problem i see is the off path wetness but it throws an extra into the mix so i dont mind it too much.

 

[Peter Decker]

Yes I meant what David said (edit: maybe not, not meaning contant rain, just fluctuating wetness of predefined intensity interval - for instance 0-20%, 20-40%, ...)

Nico, I agree with your 2 weaknesses. My view is that if we keep the rain intensity inside certain % intensity (edit: % intervals), we should be ok.

I am not too fond of this extreme sharp-edged contrast which is highly unrealistic. The results I see is danger and frustration more than joy. For example when I was faster than Reik at Monza and there was no point to go off-path, instead I just pushed him forward...

 

[Daniel Hansson]

The first race is a week away, which usually means that I will post the forecast. But are we going to have weather for the first race?

 

[Daniel Hansson]

I think we will wait for some more opinions on the first race weather until tomorrow.

 

[David Turnbull]

i wouldnt be adverse to leaving the weather out of the season opener, a few new guys so dunno how they would deal with it, once monza is out the way we can have the usual array of servers including wet so that the new guys can have a practise at it.

whatever is decided im cool with though

 

[Daniel Hansson]

I think we will skip the weather for the first race. It is usually dry at Monza anyway.

 

[Peter Decker]

Yeah sounds like a plan.

Would it be manageable for you Daniel to generate such random weather I was talking about earlier?

We could test that on a fun race or something like the one now with monza perhaps. Two short wet races (long enough for drying-effect), one with bigger interval of rain intensity and one with less to hold on-off-path-difference at max 20% or so.

What do ya'll say mates?

 

[Daniel Hansson]

It could be possible, but it may be hard to predict how much it will dry. So a short test race or two will definitely help.