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Saturday June 27th - Nordschleife 500K

Discussion in 'RACE 07 Racing Club & Leagues' started by Eric. K, May 25, 2009.

  1. 500km of the old Nurburgring (Nordschleife , 24laps)

    56.5%
  2. 500km of Watkins Glen (GP version, no chicane, 93laps)

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  3. I will race at either

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  1. Eric. K

    Eric. K

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    I am going to call out names now!! I want to hear from these 4 drivers if they will drive or not?
    1. Oliver Amos
    2. Fernando de Almeida
    3. David Zafiu
    4. Nils Wijk
     
  2. Ivo Simons

    Ivo Simons

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    Skinpack works great Eric, no problems here. :)
     
  3. Mtommi Tam

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    Oh,my time very slow,6:50,now
     
  4. Jason Pitts

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    Don't worry Mtommi - you're not alone. :freaked-out:

    At least you'll have others to race with. Besides, remember speed is not everything in an endurance race. Pit strategy, weather, car reliability, tire wear, all these things play a bigger role in an endurance race than normal.
     
  5. Ivo Simons

    Ivo Simons

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    I just want to finish, the last enduro i didn't make it 9 laps before the end, it still haunts me. :weep:
     
  6. Michel Usal

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    Like Ivo said, I just want to finish the race, it will be something just to achieve that. I'm glad I could join this event, really a great one, thanks to RD and all the work by Eric. I'm wishing every participant to have a great time, I'm eager to join you all on saturday.
     
  7. James Johnson

    James Johnson
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    Your not only one with that wish. :p
     
  8. Ivo Simons

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    Haha. A couple of hours ago i was the watching the replay of Paul Ricard.
    I saw you blowing up your engine, while Joao was right behind you.
    I was just imagine what Joao was thinking when he past your smoking Lister.


    I think it was someting like this


    :woot2::woot2:


    :wink:


    Btw Eric. No word from the last 4 guys? :)
     
  9. David Zafiu

    David Zafiu

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    I will participate man.I will be there. ;)
     
  10. João Andias

    João Andias

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    So, the race day is coming, being the kind of guy I am (good or bad, it depends of point of view :wink:) I couldn’t let this one go by without posting about it…

    To many of you this isn’t new, so just jump ahead as this will be a long post. On other hand, if it helps just one of you, I’m already happy :wink2:

    In this 3rd Evo endurance event here at RD (in recent times), after visiting Spa and Paul Ricard, we will be at the mythical Nordschleife (aka Nord Loop, aka old Nürburgring, aka Der and only true Nürburg-ring). We will be doing a little bit more than 500 km and if the weather doesn’t pay any surprise it should take us also a little bit more than 2.5 hrs.

    Well, to be true this event will be a "monster", the circuit is “harder” than Spa even when considering Eau Rouge and don’t be fooled by the longer duration of the Paul Ricard event either (3 hrs) as this track is about 2.5x narrower than it and room for mistake is much smaller.



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    Overtaking at the Nord


    On the contrary to the popular believe there aren’t many places to do it over the 20+ km lap of the Nord.
    The best and the only true overtaking zone of the Nord is the “power hill” area around the toll straight (Castel to the right into Tiergarten) where typical draft overtaking can be done easily if there are the hp to go along with it (the track is much wider here too).
    So yes, be prepared to do 16 km behind that slightly slower driver waiting for the power hill…

    In general overtaking is all about getting (wining) a better line than your adversary and not bumping him out of the way (more on this later at the end of the post*).

    Other overtaking points that require more skill and little bit of luck are some of the hard braking areas around the track.


    • Aremberg (km 3) – It is easier to do it from the inside line (be careful with understeer, don’t hit the other car on the outside), but can be done from an outside line (harder and be careful with understeer/ oversteer and hitting the inside car).
    • Bergwerk (km 9) – Taking the Inside line while breaking into this right hander (again be careful with too much understeer hitting the outside line car).
    • Karussell (km 12) – With a good exit from the previews turn (hard breaking from a very quick area) it is possible to win the inside line (the quickest) to the karussell (just be careful not to hit outside car when entering the concrete banking).
    • Tiergarten (km 19) – With a mother of a long hard breaking is possible (and hard) to win the inside line to the final chicane into the pit area (very dangerous nevertheless as the understeer can be mortal for both cars).

    A better tactic and perhaps easier (and safer) than disputing breaking points along the narrow Nord is to wait… along the 16 to 17 km leading into the power hill, the adversary is likely to do small line mistakes somewhere. Stay close (not too close) and capitalize on them while he exits his “wrong” and slower turn exit, typical places for this to happen are:


    • Adenaurer Forst (km 5) – Power exiting and overtaking after this S.
    • Wehrseifen (km 7) –The front racer understeers into the tight downhill S and the behind racer capitalizes taking the inside line.
    • Ex – Mühle (km 8) – Usually the mistake here is oversteering, so capitalize on that and again carefully power exit from an outside line (inside line works too if the front racer is understeering).
    • Brünnchen (km 14) – After the famous (infamous) right turn (specially with rain) the usual mistake of the front racer is too much entry speed and the corresponding understeer, power through the small valley on the inside line.

    All the above overtaking situations are possible and some require more “help” from the front racer than others. Of course all the above doesn’t take into account giving laps situations or when the front racer permits the overtaking. Speaking of this, as most of you know it isn’t well seen in endurance racing aggressive line defenses unless the final of the event is thereabouts. The reason is simple, the all idea of defending a line for 2.5 hrs is kind of a mute point, so avoid extremely defensive slow inside lines and parking the car in the middle of the track (opt for a line when going into a turn, don’t use the “middle” line).

    Regarding overtaking (last but not least), here stay some common public server overtaking mistakes.

    On the Nord there are 2 very fast one line sections:


    • Flugplatz area (km 1-3) – Speeds up to 300km (GTP)
    • Kesselchen area (km 9 -11) – Speeds up to 280km (GTP)

    These zones are absolute “one liners”.

    Just because the 2nd racer (the one behind) is in the slipstream and is much faster this doesn’t give him the right to force an overtaking. Even if the 2nd racer goes side by side it is very dangerous for both as these zones require crossing lines to be made at high speed.

    Other “one liner” areas but done at average speeds (3rd, 4th gear) are:


    • Km 6 to 7, km 12 to 14 (big one) and km 15 to 16.

    "Danger" areas
    Ok, the track is “hard” as I typed earlier, but in truce is not as “mortal” as other known tracks. A good example of this is Le Mans 77, a less forgiving circuit.
    Unless someone falls asleep, the only true “mortal” (kills the engine) areas are the long hard breaking into the final S before the pits (Tiergarten) and the breaking into Wehrseifen (km 7) as there is a barrier on the outside of the track.

    All other common exiting areas (Aremberg (km 3), Metzgesfeld (km 6), Ex – Mühle (km 8), Bergwerk (km 9), the all Karussell area (km 12), Hohe Acht (Km 13), Brünnchen (km 14), Pflanzgarten (km 15), Schwalbenschwanz (km 16) and Galgenkpf (Km 17)) will give you a lost spliter/wing and maybe a lost wheel, but the car will move along “limping” to the pits (once it took me 16 minutes on 3 wheels to undo a mistake in the Aremberg area).

    *Finely and speaking of bumping and accidents; remember, each touch on another car is on average about 1 to 3 km/h less when arriving at one of the 3 high speed areas for both cars. So those small bumps and touches that somewhat are acceptable in Mini or STCC/WTCC sprint races are far from welcome here.

    Just as an example, on a recent race at a public server I was bumped from behind 3 times at a few breaking points (heavily but no suspension or wing damage), the car was doing 10 to 15 km speed less up-hill top speed.


    Ok, this is sufficinent, sorry for the long post, hope it is posted in a way it permits you jump the parts you don't want to read.

    Just to finish, there will be 2 races within one, 2 separate classifications, but as always in this endurance events, it will be all about finishing it. So good luck to all and lets all overtake this new challenge :good:.
     
  11. James Johnson

    James Johnson
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    Might also want to add That you Shouldnt do Full Throttle over Small Jump around Pflanzgarten as you will hit limiter till your hit ground again. Damaging the Engine.
     
  12. Eric. K

    Eric. K

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    this was just too good!! I added it to the first post:)
     
  13. Abdul Al-Amry

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    So Joao have you been preparing?

    :)

    I had the same thoughts for a few days and didnt know how to bring it up. Overtaking is gonna be hard. Its not how fast you drive in 1 lap with Endurance race, its how fast you drive in the entire race. Optimum speed lap after lap will achieve a heck of alot than doing a quickie(errrrh lol) lap.

    I am so excited about this events I go bonkers sometimes. Its just not about driving anymore, even my mathematics has improved working on strategy.
    |<x1, .., xn>| = [​IMG](x12+ .. + xn2)

    I wish you all good luck and lets enjoy the race. Remember its live. Dress up well for the cameras.

    PS: Anyone has any solution regarding going to pee during the race?
     
  14. James Johnson

    James Johnson
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    Do it at Pitstop. You Have 1 Minute to do it and get back for Pitstop to be Completed.
     
  15. Abdul Al-Amry

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    lol. Thanks James.

    F1 drivers do all sorts of things when they race in their cockpits. I'll be trying some of them but deffo not the peeing part. Well unless Mrs approves ie.
     
  16. Aritan Maia

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    :( :( :( :(

    I wish I could be with you guys... So sad!!!! When the next, Eric??? TELL ME!!!! :D
     
  17. Jason Pitts

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    Thanks you so much for that great post João! I love the detail and the wise advice about where to attempt a pass and not to attempt a pass.

    I agree with you that it is many times very smart to wait until the long straight to pass a car in the same class, but it will sure be a test of patience if a GT Pro car has to wait until the straight to pass a GT Sport car. Hopefully, the GT Sports guys will be as "helpful" as they can when a Pro car comes up behind, and only if they are not racing another Sport car at the time.

    If we all be patient, it should go well. Like they say, the object of the endurance race is first to finish, and second to finish first. :victory:
     
  18. João Andias

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    Just a little, tiny, small bit... hihihihi... :shame:

    I've been doing at all endurance events, comes the pitstop and I'm no longer at the wheel... there is even time to wash the hands :smile-big:
     
  19. Stefan Werner

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    I honestly haven't really had the time to prepare for this event. I have only managed to do about 10 or so laps over the past 3 weeks. Regardless, I am confident I can finish this race as long as I manage to stay out of trouble in the early stages.

    I wish the best of luck to all and hope to see the majority of the field catch the checkered flag this time around.

    See you all tomorrow night! :)
     
  20. Ivo Simons

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    Joao you are crazy to type all of this. Thanks for the very usefull post. :)

    Yup thats the one. :)
     
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