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Sel Orme

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Sorry Guys. I think I had something to do with the pile up in T1 2nd race. I had a bad start and thought, oh well it will give them all a chance to sort themselves out and settle down to racing. As I approached the first corner I realised a lot of cars were virtually stopped and having nowhere to go I slammed into them. I hit Timothy very hard. Sorry Mate. Not intended. It can't have been too bad because I had no damage. There were so many cars spinning around I thought I had better keep out of the way and keep going.

I eventually finished 11th from 18th. Quite pleased.

Sel ...........
 

Eric Nelson

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Jan 14, 2009
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Sorry Eric, but you only had yourself to blame. I have replayed this umpteen times and what I see is you squeezing me coming out of the tunnel. I hit the wall, which pushes me back out on the the track a little, causing me to clip your back wheel and you to spin. At all times there was tons of room on the outside where you could and ought to have been and I would not have clipped you if you had not forced me into the wall. At no time did I change my racing line. Sorry you spun. That's racing. By the way. At the time this happened, you were on the outside.

Sel ..........
fair enough Sel I did say "no blood" I think. I was inside of you for the next turn which gives me position though.

it's tight racing and we are fine Sel.
 

Abdul Al-Amry

2011 RD Indy 500 Winner
Jul 15, 2008
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Great Race.

Qualied: 1st with a shocking 2:00.9xx time.

Race 1: Completely messed up my braking at turn 2. Locked brakes and nothing but tyre wall was there to great me. Puncture and Aero damage. Crawled to the pits and was officially last having started first. Tip toed to finish 15th.

Race 2: Great start to 9th after a few up ahead kissed the walls. Continued well to 2nd after Matthew pitted for his stop. Yves was breathing heavily behind me while I was taking tenths away from Brandon lap after lap. Tried bluffing for a pitstop to let Brandon or Yves bite the bait but didnt work. Matthew who was running 2nd before the pistop was behind Yves once regular racing resumed. Got a slight nudge which let Yves pass me. Finished 3rd. Not bad considering all the bad misfortune I had in Race 1.

Thank you Addicts for the races.

Racedepartment I love you

Eric erhhh not that kinda luvvv but salute m8 for all the hardwork put in the events.

To all participants I love you too. Get on TS the rest who hasnt yet.

Massive thanks to Willie Watt for Team Gulf skin pack.

Screenshot of the starting grid.
 

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Race Report: Longshot Racing

Qualified: 9th with a setup from Abdul. Thanks bud! Would probably have done better but I hit a tire barrier on the Outlap. How lame is that!

Race 1: Lap 1-Rhys gets a jump on me for the start. In T1 I get a love tap by Yuri, but stay my line. Pass by Abdul. I'm in 8th battling hard with Yuri. Then, in T6 Matthew comes in hot and pushes me out of the way and I go to 9th. I guess Matthew didn't slow down because I didn't crash, just had to slow waaay down. Reminded me of a bump and run in Nascar.
I outbraked Yuri in T9, I think, and move back to 8th. Broke too late at Atwater Street and into the tires. I wait for everyone to go by and end lap 1 in 20th with suspension damage. It wasn't too bad, so I soldiered on.
Lap 3- I pass John Sydenstricker between T2 and T3. He was stopped and facing the wrong direction. I got around Sel and Yves later that lap and finished lap 3 in 17th.
Lap 4- Michael and Rhys pit and I move to 15th. Turn 6 I drifted too wide and hit the wall hard. I had a punctured tire and couldn't turn left very well anymore. I decided to do my mandatory pit.
Lap 5-8. 20th position, pretty quiet. On lap 8, I let leaders, Keith and then Brandon pass. I got past Sel and moved to 17th.
Lap 9- John S. and I swapped positions a couple times and I ended up 17th.
I was amazed at my crews ability to knock out all the dents and get my Nvidia Honda looking like new for race 2.

Race 2: Lap 1- Starting 17th, I knew I would need to be patient going into T1. I took a deep breath and closed my eyes...
Opened my eyes and found myself in 13th. After T2 I was in 12th, behind Eric. Then Gary hits the tires in T9 and I'm in 11th.
Lap 2- Still behind Eric when he cuts T2 too tight and bounces off the wall putting me to 10th. But Gary is coming back with a vengeance and he gets past me with some brilliant moves and I'm back to 11th. Gary and I both move up as we pass Yuri, Rafael and then Keith. That puts me to 8th.
Lap 4- I move to 7th after Matthew pits. Then Gary overshoots T7 (I think) and I'm in 6th. Coming around T9, I see Paul in the tire barrier with his rear end hanging out. There was not much I could do. I added to Pauls troubles by adding some of my own paint to his. It's a minor clip for me and I move to 5th. I pit on this lap and come out 10th.
Lap 6- Move to 7th when Keith, Rhys, and Sel make their pit stops. And then to 6th when Eric gives Willie the scare when coming out from his pit stop.
Lap 7- Daydreaming... Hit tires in T9 and Keith goes by and I'm in 7th.
Lap 8-10- Stayed in 7th. Played pinball a couple of times which let Eric get pretty close in some spots, but he also did some wall dancing those last laps and that's how I finished.

Overall: 9th - not bad considering my first race.
Goals: finish without an incident. Finish in top 5.
 

Paul Wood

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Mar 25, 2009
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Coming into race day I was not feeling very confident. The best consistent time i could set was a 2.09.xx. So I was resigning myself to being at the back of the grid but something must have clicked cause in pre race prac I managed to cut my times down to farely consistent 2.07's. So I was feeling abit better. As always though, and this is a testament to the fact that you guys that arnt coming into TS are missing out on alot, i was listening to the faster guys talking and gaining tidbits of info that was helping me all over the place. Just prior to qual i had manged to knock another sec off of my lap time te got down to a 2.05.xx. Then I heard keith talking to Abdul about picking up on the trick to the track, so i had to ask, and thankyou keith for spilling ;). With this advice I managed to do my PB for the day in my qual a 2.04.xx. So i was feeling much better at this point as I had managed to cut neally 5 secs off of my lap times.

Long story short if you dont want to read the above novel, guys who arn't, get yourselves into TS it helps to add so much more.

So anyway. Qual'ed 15. better then i expected.

Race 1. Got a reasonable start and managed to gain 2 spots by T1 which was shot lived. Got spun and ended up in the barrier causing aero and suspension damage and found myself at the back of the pack. I Picked myself up and pushed on. Was still managing to keep pace even though the car just didnt feel right. Gears were reving all over the place and the back kept sliding out. I managed to get myself back up to 14th with various bits of chaos on the track. It didnt occur to me to look at my overlay till lap 5 at which time I asked the question over TS "what does a grey tyre mean?". Stupid me had been racing on a flat type since the begining of the race :doh2: So I pitted next lap and got 3 new tyres. Its amazing the differance when your racing on 4 wheels instead of 3. From the replay the flat tyre was quite clear, every time i took a right hand corner sparks were coming out the back of the car. I came back out in 14th after the pit. the rest of the race was pretty uneventful with a 12th place finish.

Race 2. Started in 12th. Got an avg start but managed to gain a spot by T1. Kept my eyes open for any mishaps and in hope of avioding what I could. I managed to make it through T1 safely this time.
Everything was going fine for the next few laps. Car felt good and I had managed to keep it straight and make it up to 5th position until the 5 or 6th lap i think it was when I misjudged a corner and got on the gas alittle early and managed to clip the tyre barrier. The car decided to nose in instead of bounce off which wasnt too bad and didnt cause much damage but I was more worried about where I was sitting. Glenn was next around the corner and had no where to go except through me, sorry again Glenn and next was Willie that added to the excitment, sorry to you to Willie. Got going again and headed straight to the pits as I had only lost 1 postion. I decided to get my damage fixed as well as tyres. Luckly it was only a 20 secs pit which was shorter then I expected. Got back out in 12th which wasnt too bad considering most in front had not pitted by this stage.
Over the next lap and half I got back up to 8th through people pitting and other incidents and started to settle into a rhythm again when I came to the same corner as my last incident. Same thing happened, this time I got front aero, sus dmg plus a puncture on the front. Sorry to Eric and Rhys for being in the way as they got caught up with me coming around the corner. Got going again only to slid right off into the barrier on the next left hander. At this point I had lost all hope of staying for a top 10 finish. I lipped back to the pits only to have the brakes not work on entry so i got a SNG as well. Went with just a tyre change and managed to get back out in 14th where i stayed even after the SNG and ended up finishing there. Sorry to Abdul as well for the rearend tap near the end of the race. I hope I didnt cost you a place or anything :(

Thx to RD, Eric and Keith. This is a great setup and im looking forward to the ATCC.
 

Michael Carver

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Apr 7, 2009
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Actually I was honoring the yellow flags for that corner. I knew you were on the inside and I was trying to go a little wide, but then had to make a sharper turn to avoid Rhys. It would have been a long wait if you waited up (and you would have needed a snack to keep you going while you waited) as it took some time to get the car turned around (could have use a snack myself :biggrin1:).

I owe you an apology as well for my tap in the 2nd race. I shouldn't have been driving that fast with a punctured front tire.

I am now chasing Michael Carver for many laps and we are lock step battling! HE makes a mistake and I close. I make on e and he extends a bit. He finally make a mistake and over cooks tha really slippery left hander deep downtown and I come in at speed and tap his left rear and spin him around into the barrier. After viewing the replay MIke thats my bad. I waited a bit for you and then went on thinking you had already been spinning when I touched you but that was not the case. APOLOGIES MIke I should have waited longer!
 

Michael Carver

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Apr 7, 2009
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The Saga of the Ice Cream Kid

The Saga of the Ice Cream Kid – Or How He Earned a Dairy Queen and What He Did With It.

Detroit

I had a clue it was going to be a bad day when I discover that the STCC must not have paid the entrance fee for the event as my Uncle Sam Racing entry was not allowed (as were all STCC cars). It got even worse when I entered practice with a borrowed WTCC 2007 Chevrolet and it’s crew. During my outlap, my graphics card locked up. Rebooting PC took forever. By the time I had everything back up and running, half of the practice session was over.

Now I am back in my borrowed car and on my first outlap I am stuffed hard into the tire barriers at the Foster’s (second Left/Right 90 degree turns) by Robert. Suspension damage, back to the pits for another run.

Second attempt to get some practice in, I am going wide in the turn to Chrysler Drive and Abdul is straight into my rear spinning me around. Get myself straightened out and going again. Now I am on my first timed lap. I am trying to give Matthew plenty of room but I am smacked hard in the right rear at the 2nd Left/Right-90 turns. Out of frustration I end up taking myself out in the barriers in the next opportunity.

Finally got in a couple of laps before practice ends.

Qualified 16th with a very conservative run of 2:05.86

Race 1

Lap 1: Lined up on the inside lane and as the lights go out, there is a major accordion affect up ahead causing slowing moving cars in my lane. I opt to hold my lane and take it easy. That was a good choice as Willie is making a bonsai move from 20th, zigzagging through traffic, threading the needles, swapping paint, sticking his nose into 14th by T1. However by now T1 is clogged. Meanwhile Matthew (having witnessed Willie’s wild ride) pulls a similar kamikaze run from 19th, zigzagging and eventually tapping the inside Armco approaching T1 trying to squeeze by Robert. This pops Matthew out spinning Willie into Paul. However, Paul gets the worse of it as Willie and Matthew get away clean. I end up coming through the mess in 18th.

Robert and Eric are drag racing to T2 and tangle. Yves is conversing with the course workers at the tire barriers at T2. I am able to split Robert and Eric for 16th.

First Left/Right 90 turns to Larned Street, I am hard on the binders early and long as I see carnage and yellow flags ahead. Unfortunately I end up tapping Timothy who gets sideways, but is able to gather it back in. I hold up to let him get going and Philip slips ahead of me.

Lap 2: I am now in my usual lucky 13th position. Eric is pressing me hard.

Lap 3: Cross the line in 12th. I get some breathing room from Eric. Approaching the Foster’s Left/Right 90 turns yellow flags are waving madly. I can only see smoke in the apex (Rhys is just getting going again). I have to adjust my braking and turn in sharper to avoid Rhys. I guess the yellow was no longer showing for Eric as he collects min the rear, turning me around with my nose in the wall (suspension damage). Get clipped lightly by Will as I try to quick 3-point turn to get pointed in the right direction. Not really sure why drivers were still barreling into this turn during the incident as the yellow flags were still waving.

Into the pits for repairs and 2 front tires.

Lap 4: Out of the pits in 19th. Good thing is that there is clear track and hopefully I can get in a few good and clean laps.

Lap 5: Running 18th, but this won’t be for long as Abdul is coming up fast. I finally concede (but only after making him earn the gift).

Lap 6: Running 15th while others are in the pits for their regular stop.

Lap 7 – 8: Running 14th and am starting to get close to Paul Wood, but doubt there is enough time to make anything of it.

Lap 9: Lucky 13th

Lap 10: Finish 13th

Race 2

Start 13th, this time in the outside lane. Drop back to 15th as T1 is stuffed with cars 3 & 4 wide. Will is entering T1 extremely wide as it gets more congested as Robert gets turned around (Yellow Flags Folks --- supposed to mean CAUTION!). I get turned by Willie, who gets a push from John and another bump from Timothy who got a huge assist from Sel. Somehow I gather it back in and soldier on in 15th with minor rear suspension damage. Mange 13th by T3, but braking is off due to the damage.

Lap 2: Slip into 12th as Eric clips the corner and T2. Braking issue is catching up with me as I need brake harder at Foster’s Left/Right 90 Turns for waving yellows. Catch the tire barrier and am collected by John causing severe front damage and a punctured tire. Limping along, but I can’t whoa up enough to miss Eric and tap him off course. Into the pits for major repairs and 2 front tires. Comet out 15th.

Lap 4: 14th

Lap 5: Lucky 13th

Lap 6: 11th and slide into 10th after Paul miscalculates at the first of the 2 sharp left handers.

Lap 7: Radio message to pit. But what do they know, I already did my pit for 2 tires (I had them harping on me before to pit in another race just because they thought I needed fuel to finish the race, but I knew better).

The Ice Cream Kid finally gets his Dairy Queen (DQ’ed – DisQualified). Get back to the pits and the crew explains I pitted on Lap 2 and the pit window didn’t open until Lap 3. DUH! I really had thought it was Lap 3 when I pitted, guess I need to pay more attention to my pit boss next time.

And what the Kid did with his Dairy Queen:

[note: for those not from the states, Dairy Queen is a fast-food drive-in that got it start serving soft-freeze ice cream cones]

 

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Michael Carver

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Apr 7, 2009
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[soapbox on]

No names, but I was a bit troubled with some of what I can only call over-aggressive driving (especially on the starts of both races). It also seemed that a lot of drivers were not honoring yellow flags (and there were a ton of them, yellow flags that is).

The starts could have been much better had cooler heads prevailed and fools hadn't rushed in were angels feared to tread. Even with yellows waving, folks rushed into the corners on the 1st lap hoping to make up for their qualification runs. If one wants to exit turn 1 6 to 7 positions ahead of their starting position, they really should have qualified further up the grid. Save the hard driving and racing after the chaos and close running evens out after the 1st few corners on the 1st lap. If you are that talented, you will make your 6 to 7 positions within the first couple of laps and you will not have put others out of the running in the process.

[soapbox off]
 
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Matthew Trivett

"lawl"

[soapbox on]

No names, but I was a bit troubled with some of what I can only call over-aggressive driving (especially on the starts of both races). It also seemed that a lot of drivers were not honoring yellow flags (and there were a ton of them, yellow flags that is).

The starts could have been much better had cooler heads prevailed and fools hadn't rushed in were angels feared to tread. Even with yellows waving, folks rushed into the corners on the 1st lap hoping to make up for their qualification runs. If one wants to exit turn 1 6 to 7 positions ahead of their starting position, they really should have qualified further up the grid. Save the hard driving and racing after the chaos and close running evens out after the 1st few corners on the 1st lap. If you are that talented, you will make your 6 to 7 positions within the first couple of laps and you will not have put others out of the running in the process.

[soapbox off]
 
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It also seemed that a lot of drivers were not honoring yellow flags (and there were a ton of them, yellow flags that is).

How does it work with yellow flags? I mean, in offline mode i get the message "yellow flag no overtaking" while in online session the guy in the pits doesn't seems very concerned with the race except when the car is damaged (hate him btw :D).

As far as I understood there are no penalties if someone overtake in yellow flag zone. Am I right? Should we try to apply the rule anyway? Is there any RD rule for this?

I can't remember but I probably overtook while yellow flag sometimes...just to have a clarification on this point. Thanks
 

Michael Carver

1000RPM
Apr 7, 2009
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No penalties, but the following from the RD Racing Club | Driving Guidelines

3. Follow all safety rules as if you were in a real car on a real track: use pit speed limiter in pit lane, observe all safety flags and lights, no donuts in pit lane.

I wasn't so much concerned about someone overtaking with yellow waving as I was about drivers not being cautious and driving blindly into corners where the yellow was being waved. This caused others to get caught in accidents that should have been avoided.

I do know that in the upcoming ATCC, overtaking under yellow should incur a penalty (though none are outlined for this infraction). From the rules for ATCC:

The yellow flag indicates danger on a specified section of the track. Drivers are to drive cautiously on the scene of an accident. Overtaking is not allowed in this situation.

Reviewing the Detroit replays there were several other "infractions" that would have received penalties in the upcoming ATCC

Overtaking and defending

B. Overtaking means going past someone, not through him. Drivers are not allowed to push cars out of the way in order to overtake them. Though contact may not always be evitable, it may not act as the means to make the pass.

C. A driver can only attempt a pass when there is room for it and when the chance is reasonably high that it becomes successful, without heavy contact. On road courses this means that the overtaking car must be able to get a significant overlap with the defending car before they get to the turn-in point of a corner.



How does it work with yellow flags? I mean, in offline mode i get the message "yellow flag no overtaking" while in online session the guy in the pits doesn't seems very concerned with the race except when the car is damaged (hate him btw :D).

As far as I understood there are no penalties if someone overtake in yellow flag zone. Am I right? Should we try to apply the rule anyway? Is there any RD rule for this?

I can't remember but I probably overtook while yellow flag sometimes...just to have a clarification on this point. Thanks
 

Eric Nelson

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Jan 14, 2009
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yeah that sums it up pretty well Michael!

Drive like its a real car in a real race...................and if you stuff it, it friggin hurts your whole body for days.
 
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