rF2 S397 GT3 @ Adria International Raceway - Fri 12 Nov 2021

[IceColdBeard_24]

I'm just glad we're using the old Adria, because they somehow managed to make a circuit that's just slow and boring hairpins even more slow with even more slower and boringer hairpins...
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Looks like an indoor karting layout

 

[Jasje]

I just tested the Cayman GT4 and it's really undriveable... no reverse gear, steering ratio is all over the place (try getting out of the pits) and the sound is messed up.

I would suggest we switch to the Alpine GT4 (or Porsche Flat 6 mod )

So for now: GT3 spot for me please

 

[Ole Marius Myrvold]

I just tested the Cayman GT4 and it's really undriveable... no reverse gear, steering ratio is all over the place (try getting out of the pits) and the sound is messed up.

I would suggest we switch to the Alpine GT4 (or Porsche Flat 6 mod )

So for now: GT3 spot for me please

The reverse gear will be fixed in that hotfix. The rest I haven't noticed.

I find it curious how a mod can be so strongly disliked by some, and so liked by others O.o I'll forward the feedback to the creator!

EDIT: You're in of course.
Also, the hope was to have more GT4's later on. Maybe the Alpine-route is the way to go.

 

[AlB_3010]

The reverse gear will be fixed in that hotfix. The rest I haven't noticed.

I find it curious how a mod can be so strongly disliked by some, and so liked by others O.o I'll forward the feedback to the creator!

EDIT: You're in of course.
Also, the hope was to have more GT4's later on. Maybe the Alpine-route is the way to go.

Can't we have both GT4's?

 

[Ole Marius Myrvold]

Can't we have both GT4's?

They aren't BoP'd together sadly :/

 

[Jimlaad43]

Maybe replace the GT4 with some high-end Touring Cars? When we went and tested our BTCC cars earlier this year, we were on track with some GT4s and doing the same pace as them. If there's something around GT4 pace (is there a Ginetta mod?) That has a big enough fuel tank, maybe just replace with them?

 

[Jasje]

or take the awesome flat 6 mod so both classes can fight each other

 

[Ole Marius Myrvold]

Maybe replace the GT4 with some high-end Touring Cars? When we went and tested our BTCC cars earlier this year, we were on track with some GT4s and doing the same pace as them. If there's something around GT4 pace (is there a Ginetta mod?) That has a big enough fuel tank, maybe just replace with them?

I tried that when I took over the rF2 club. Trying to get more different races, and not the continuous S397 Endurance and then S397 GT3. Had some BTCC cars with GT3's, those had 9-14 drivers. Tried a GT500 & GT3 race, that ended up being a GT3 race. Did a couple of Alpine races. First was very popular, then it fell down to 10 drivers +/-. Later on the guys who made the ByKolles made a couple of GT500 cars, so we tried a SuperGT event again with those GT500 cars and the GT3's (as that's basically GT300). It was very popular, at least the first race. Half the grid was gone for the second event, and when it was reverted to just GT3's afterwards, many came back.

There was a race with the LMP3-car only, dubbed the "Prototype Challenge", it wasn't that popular.
When the BMW M4 DTM was released for free by S397, that was supposed to be used. It took a lot of testing to find a fun track with DRS zones that worked with the car. But with only 5 sign-ups it was no other choice than to cancel it.
We tried to use the Mercedes 190E E2, the DTM machine from the 90's in a couple of Friday events, part of a pay-mod, but given for free. Didn't get 10 sign-ups even over 3 weeks. Tried with a modern, up-to-date S397 track, a track from the correct era and a good mod-track. No luck.

Going back to the GT3 & Endurance combo, in addition to big tagging sprees have helped lately.

Now, I know this is sounding negative, and I don't mean it like that. Some weeks I have time to test different stuff, other weeks I have no time at all. I won't stop, but when there's a sudden and massive drop in sign-ups that's demotivating. That often happens when there's an attempt to do something different.

I'm not opposed to try different stuff, in fact, I would love to do different styles of racing, different cars. Different types of multiclass. And it doesn't actually matter if the BTCC/Ginettas etc have a tiny fuel tank and only lasts 20 minutes. Then they have a 2 stop race. It's all a part of multiclass. I see absolutely no issues with that

I know the group behind the ByKolles and GT500 cars are working on an update to the GT500 cars, so I want to do another SuperGT event, but I would also love to have some, let's say, slower multi class racing. Like GT3 and GT4, or GT3 and Touring Cars etc.
However, few combos, if any have been able to both get good numbers and sustain them.

The only slightly different thing that seemed to be able to keep the numbers were the GT3 Sprints, where there was 2 races of 25 minutes, with one qualifying, and the fastest laps from R1 decided the starting grid for R2.
However, that takes quite a bit more organizing-wise, and it's not always I have that time.
We had a weird one with F3's on a Sunday last winter, 3 races at Lime Rock, only one qualifying, but the three races was on different layouts of the track. Was fun, but not oversubscribed

It was a risk with this GT4 car, but based on how it looked, who was working on it, beta-testing it and so on. I felt it was a pretty safe bet. It seems like I was wrong, which I am sorry for. Truly, and genuinely, I am.
I am however not sure that changing the second class now is a smart thing. Then it's better to just make it a regular GT3 event I think.

Long post, but I've just finished almost 13 hours at work, so when I am a bit tired, I tend to ramble on. Sorry for that.

Lastly though, I'll repeat that I am more than willing to try other combos in regards to cars, classes, race types and so on. But that takes some testing, and when that often seems to not be that popular, it doesn't always feels that it's a good use of time.

EDIT: I have one special event planned. But I need time to figure out the best way to do it, how early to announce it, and if it should be a Friday or Sunday event.

 

[Ole Marius Myrvold]

or take the awesome flat 6 mod so both classes can fight each other

Nah, that feels even more risky. At least with multiclass, we know that the cars are quite different and not supposed to fight with each other

 

[Jan Larsen]

You know what? Indycars, together with GT3. Why? Think of the carn...erm action!

 

[Jan Larsen]

Btw, Ole, if you need help with testing, just let us know

 

[Steve Le Gallez]

I'm in please GT3

 

[Michael Rudolf]

I tried that when I took over the rF2 club. Trying to get more different races, and not the continuous S397 Endurance and then S397 GT3. Had some BTCC cars with GT3's, those had 9-14 drivers. Tried a GT500 & GT3 race, that ended up being a GT3 race. Did a couple of Alpine races. First was very popular, then it fell down to 10 drivers +/-. Later on the guys who made the ByKolles made a couple of GT500 cars, so we tried a SuperGT event again with those GT500 cars and the GT3's (as that's basically GT300). It was very popular, at least the first race. Half the grid was gone for the second event, and when it was reverted to just GT3's afterwards, many came back.

There was a race with the LMP3-car only, dubbed the "Prototype Challenge", it wasn't that popular.
When the BMW M4 DTM was released for free by S397, that was supposed to be used. It took a lot of testing to find a fun track with DRS zones that worked with the car. But with only 5 sign-ups it was no other choice than to cancel it.
We tried to use the Mercedes 190E E2, the DTM machine from the 90's in a couple of Friday events, part of a pay-mod, but given for free. Didn't get 10 sign-ups even over 3 weeks. Tried with a modern, up-to-date S397 track, a track from the correct era and a good mod-track. No luck.

Going back to the GT3 & Endurance combo, in addition to big tagging sprees have helped lately.

Now, I know this is sounding negative, and I don't mean it like that. Some weeks I have time to test different stuff, other weeks I have no time at all. I won't stop, but when there's a sudden and massive drop in sign-ups that's demotivating. That often happens when there's an attempt to do something different.

I'm not opposed to try different stuff, in fact, I would love to do different styles of racing, different cars. Different types of multiclass. And it doesn't actually matter if the BTCC/Ginettas etc have a tiny fuel tank and only lasts 20 minutes. Then they have a 2 stop race. It's all a part of multiclass. I see absolutely no issues with that

I know the group behind the ByKolles and GT500 cars are working on an update to the GT500 cars, so I want to do another SuperGT event, but I would also love to have some, let's say, slower multi class racing. Like GT3 and GT4, or GT3 and Touring Cars etc.
However, few combos, if any have been able to both get good numbers and sustain them.

The only slightly different thing that seemed to be able to keep the numbers were the GT3 Sprints, where there was 2 races of 25 minutes, with one qualifying, and the fastest laps from R1 decided the starting grid for R2.
However, that takes quite a bit more organizing-wise, and it's not always I have that time.
We had a weird one with F3's on a Sunday last winter, 3 races at Lime Rock, only one qualifying, but the three races was on different layouts of the track. Was fun, but not oversubscribed

It was a risk with this GT4 car, but based on how it looked, who was working on it, beta-testing it and so on. I felt it was a pretty safe bet. It seems like I was wrong, which I am sorry for. Truly, and genuinely, I am.
I am however not sure that changing the second class now is a smart thing. Then it's better to just make it a regular GT3 event I think.

Long post, but I've just finished almost 13 hours at work, so when I am a bit tired, I tend to ramble on. Sorry for that.

Lastly though, I'll repeat that I am more than willing to try other combos in regards to cars, classes, race types and so on. But that takes some testing, and when that often seems to not be that popular, it doesn't always feels that it's a good use of time.

EDIT: I have one special event planned. But I need time to figure out the best way to do it, how early to announce it, and if it should be a Friday or Sunday event.

Thanks for all the organizing Ole, I enjoy racing here a lot! As Jan already said, I don't have a ton of time currently but if you need help trying out combos and stuff let me know, happy to help if I can arrange it.

 

[Ole Marius Myrvold]

Btw, Ole, if you need help with testing, just let us know

Thanks for all the organizing Ole, I enjoy racing here a lot! As Jan already said, I don't have a ton of time currently but if you need help trying out combos and stuff let me know, happy to help if I can arrange it.

ATM I have no genius (or stupid) idea that needs testing ;P There is a lot of work at the moment (which after a long shutdown is just great for me and my wallet!), but that obviously means that I don't have too much time to try to figure out great new things
With that being said, I am open to suggestions. There's really only 6-8 Fridays a year which is locked to the S397 Endurance thing, the rest is really open

Also thanks for the kind words Michael Organizing is a lot of fun when there is a healthy amount of sign-ups, and people enjoy the racing. That's way more fun than it is to host races with cars that I personally like, but few others do. That's where the short-track Sunday originated That was the race day where I chose what I loved over what would potentially be the most popular

 

[Ole Marius Myrvold]

I'm in please GT3

Yuup!

 

[Jimlaad43]

Do we have a practice server yet, or are we still waiting for that GT4 update?

 

[Ole Marius Myrvold]

Do we have a practice server yet, or are we still waiting for that GT4 update?

It will come up tonight (unless I fall asleep when I get home) regardless of GT4.

 

[Colin Peach]

Think i will unsubscribe from this one, not digging the track at all

Sorry guys xxx

Maby Snetterton300, Brand hatch gp or oulton park next?

 

[Ole Marius Myrvold]

Think i will unsubscribe from this one, not digging the track at all

Sorry guys xxx

Maby Snetterton300, Brand hatch gp or oulton park next?

Awww.

Next week is S397 Endurance again, so probably a bigger track. With that being said, I seem to remember at least one of those being very bumpy (and/or poor graphic). Here's something for people to test for me

 

[Ole Marius Myrvold]

It will come up tonight (unless I fall asleep when I get home) regardless of GT4.

Will be tomorrow. I've just come home (19:40 local time), I started working at 05:00 local time today. Knackered, and going to bed! Will fix later Sorry!