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rFactor 2 | RCCO eX Zero 2021 DLC Released

Well, now don't be too harsh. The game has some bugs, but they did a lot of work on it and also brought cool content.
The only problem I see is that they are going the E-sport way and this can cut out from the game a lot of cool content from the past racing series.
 
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The only problem I see is that they are going the E-sport way and this can cut out from the game a lot of cool content from the past racing series.

E-sport as in sim racing esports or electrical cars? This is getting so confusing. If the future of racing is electrical/hybrid, what type of DLC content are they supposed to produce? They could do historic cars, but quite difficult to model cars from the 70's accurately in terms of graphical and physical model. Also I have my doubts how much sales they would generate.

Frankly the game doesn't need any more content apart from maybe a couple of more tracks to host a full season. Maybe some modern open wheel car (not necessarily F1). There is already enough content to play for months, it's the core and service that needs to be more attractive.
 
E-sports as sim racing esports. Generally these events are focused on modern cars, because these attract the sponsors. And this reduces the possibilities that a game that is focusing in e-sports invests resources also in old content.
 

GuitarTech

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E-sport as in sim racing esports or electrical cars? This is getting so confusing. If the future of racing is electrical/hybrid, what type of DLC content are they supposed to produce? They could do historic cars, but quite difficult to model cars from the 70's accurately in terms of graphical and physical model. Also I have my doubts how much sales they would generate.

Frankly the game doesn't need any more content apart from maybe a couple of more tracks to host a full season. Maybe some modern open wheel car (not necessarily F1). There is already enough content to play for months, it's the core and service that needs to be more attractive.
First of all clean up the core content, and fix all the bugs that have been there since forever. Tidy up the workshop, and just throw a lot of the really old stuff out. Get someone who knows what they're doing to sort out the replacement UI, and a working online and competition system. And tidy up the AI on some tracks.
That would transform the game.
 

GuitarTech

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What? The old formulas and tracks in game are great. These have to stay and to be updated instead. Same for the NSX and the Corvette.
How long do you think they're going to need to get all that stuff updated, when it took them a whole year just to update the Oreca, and tell me, how is the new UI getting on?
But I do admire your optimism, well done that man. :)
 
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Ok, electric cars are not really a good news when talking motorsports... but this one doesn't even exist !!
No F... given !... First time I won't buy an rF2 DLC.

(Spending all this time for that s..t, while 99% of us wants real cars, real tracks... because "simulation" for f... sake !)
 
How long do you think they're going to need to get all that stuff updated, when it took them a whole year just to update the Oreca, and tell me, how is the new UI getting on?
But I do admire your optimism, well done that man. :)
So, because they don't have the time to update, say, Limerock, they should dump it? You gotta be kidding.
That content doesn't affect in any way the performance of the build or your gaming experience. Also, if you don't want them, you can uninstall them.
I personally don't give a damn about the new UI. I'm interested in the content. Anyway, the new UI is finished and will become default with the new update.
I'm optimistic, because they did a lot of work during these years. Ain't perfect, but it is way better and more polished than what it was when S397 took it. Not to say the tracks and the cars that they introduced. So I'm expecting more.
 
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GuitarTech

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What would transform other games would be if they all drove as well as rF2 ... imho

I have better ai in rF2 then other sims imo so you should use imo in all your posts they are not facts :geek:
As I've stated elsewhere here, I love rF2 for the things it does better than any other sim: the driving physics, the tyre model, and the FF. But they promised us an endurance sim four years ago, and haven't fulfilled that promise. There are still bugs in the game that detract from the overall experience, and their history of releasing unfinished DLCs with various bugs, which they then take forever to fix, is not stellar.
TL : DR: rF2 is good, but it could be very much better with a more focused development approach. The latest DLC is a move in the wrong direction, IMHO.
 
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Denis Betty

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How long do you think they're going to need to get all that stuff
But I do admire your optimism
Well here's some optimism for you.... kinda.

I'm actually starting to wonder whether modding/modders might be our best hope of seeing old content updated. There is a recent graphical update to ISIs version of Montreal available on Steam. If S397 are allowing this, then maybe more tracks and possibly even some cars might follow?

I really don't see S397 doing it themselves, but if they made it possible for modders to use more easily accessible software (cheaper, from what I've read) then maybe more updates to old content could follow?

OK, this is more a wish than a genuine belief that it's ever gonna happen. But I don't see how this would cost S397 anything. I really don't believe that free mods of historic content can have a negative impact on sales of GT3s and their current crop of tracks.

Of course, the elephant in the room with all of this, is that S397 are owned by a parent company (Luminis). There might therefore be some instruction from above on what they may and may not do, regarding stuff like this.

All speculation and opinion, of course. Just my 2c.
 
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Gentlemen of S397: I know that you will care very little about what I am going to say, but I must vent. After being a fan of rfactor2 and dedicating many hours to it, about a year ago I decided to uninstall it from my pc and, of course, I have not bought any of the dlcs released lately. I have waited patiently in the hope that at some point you will begin to fix all the bugs that come from many years ago. This is why I check the forums periodically. Sadly, with this DLC I think that is never going to happen. It's a shame, because rfactor2 could be the king of simulators and is actually turning into a game to be forgotten: with a glorious past, a pathetic present, and a black future.
 
Well here's some optimism for you.... kinda.

I'm actually starting to wonder whether modding/modders might be our best hope of seeing old content updated. There is a recent graphical update to ISIs version of Montreal available on Steam. If S397 are allowing this, then maybe more tracks and possibly even some cars might follow?

I really don't see S397 doing it themselves, but if they made it possible for modders to use more easily accessible software (cheaper, from what I've read) then maybe more updates to old content could follow?

OK, this is more a wish than a genuine belief that it's ever gonna happen. But I don't see how this would cost S397 anything. I really don't believe that free mods of historic content can have a negative impact on sales of GT3s and their current crop of tracks.

Of course, the elephant in the room with all of this, is that S397 are owned by a parent company (Luminis). There might therefore be some instruction from above on what they may and may not do, regarding stuff like this.

All speculation and opinion, of course. Just my 2c.

The modding system of rFactor2, especially for cars, is something that leads you to plan mass murder and the tire model so unpredictable that none of the good physics developers wants to be involved with it.
 

GuitarTech

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Gentlemen of S397: I know that you will care very little about what I am going to say, but I must vent. After being a fan of rfactor2 and dedicating many hours to it, about a year ago I decided to uninstall it from my pc and, of course, I have not bought any of the dlcs released lately. I have waited patiently in the hope that at some point you will begin to fix all the bugs that come from many years ago. This is why I check the forums periodically. Sadly, with this DLC I think that is never going to happen. It's a shame, because rfactor2 could be the king of simulators and is actually turning into a game to be forgotten: with a glorious past, a pathetic present, and a black future.
I think you‘ve expressed very well what an awful lot of people are thinking at the moment. Another thing that bothers me concerning this subject, is the lack of any kind of reaction from S397 to what's been said all over different forums since the Super vacuum cleaner was released. They must have read all the posts all over the net, they must know what people think, and how disappointed they are. And their reaction? Nothing, nada, zilch, niente..They have their own support forum where they could've reacted in some way, they are active on social media, but no word.
Compare that to Reizas communication and support. There you can talk one-on-one with the boss, I f you have a problem or constructive criticism, you get heard, and you get answers.
And Reiza has made more progress in the last few months with AMS2 than S397 has made since they took over rF2, over FOUR years ago. And they are only a small team at Reiza, we're not talking about Codemasters staff levels here.
Colour me very disappointed...
 
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