RDHGP S5 - Round 1 - Circuit de la Neuveville - 29th April 2010

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Stuart Thomson

The Stoat Without Fear ™
Welcome to Season 5 of the RD Historic Grand Prix

A very warm welcome from the RDHGP staff to all drivers - some new, some returning - to Race 1 of the 2010 RDHGP Season 5.

I am heartened to see the continued interest in this League, with a plethora of grizzled veteran drivers returning for yet another campaign, alongside RDHGP novices who (presumably) are joining after seeing, reading and hearing about the previous seasons' enjoyment.

The contrast in moving from some of the quickest and unruliest cars in the game to some of the most docile and driveable has many more knock-on effects than just lap times:-
  • Some drivers prefer the lower power / higher momentum cars to the high power / torque management style of the quicker cars
  • The lower power cars throw open the track choices - bringing tracks back into contention that would be all but unbearably frustrating in the high power cars, and allowing for more extremes of performance balancing
  • Driving mistakes tend to be at far lower speeds, and therefore tend to either a) result in fewer wall impacts, or b) get corrected and gathered up without excursions
All of the above are positives, in my opinion, contributing to the appeal of this class of vehicle, and as we’ve seen in multiple events in the past, some of the best and closest racing available anywhere.

While by its very nature, the League environment is more competitive than the Club environment, please remember what makes the GTL Club so unique – our consideration for all other competitors at all times. Let’s carry this tradition of clean, fun and considerate racing over into a League environment. I would expect people to wait for someone they have taken off, even if it was accidental. In addition, if anyone has a problem with another driver, I will be just as hard on the person with the grievance if they do not adhere to the guidelines.

As with last season, discussions about laptimes - even if it is to say what has been achieved with an uploaded setup - is forbidden. Turning up last season and seeing roughly who you would be battling against only added to the anticipation, so we will keep this rule in place for Season 5.

Additionally, I’ve tried to not to choose tracks that I think will work, but rather tracks that I know will work from previous event experience. I’m looking at Season 5 as being almost a “Greatest Hits” season – the best cars on the best tracks.

Season 5 is also breaking new ground for us in League terms on a few fronts:-
  • First use of mod cars in a GTL league
  • First use of a fictional track in a GTL league
  • First use of a personalised skinpack in a GTL league
As it is now a tried and tested format, we will again have 7 rounds of 100km races, run on alternating Thursdays and commencing on Thu 29th April, and a 200km finale run on Saturday 31st July.

This season we will defy any and all volcanic clouds to continue with our policy of travelling the globe to some of the world’s finest circuits, keeping to a strict one race per country policy. We will be driving in 8 countries across 3 continents, including 4 countries making their RDHGP event hosting debut.

Including the venue for Race 1 – Circuit de la Neuveville in Switzerland.

Circuit Notes

Circuit de la Neuveville is a fictional track, set in Switzerland, and is generally better know by it’s nickname “jops”. It was originally created for Grand Prix Legends as a tribute to a Swiss GPL League admin who went by the alias “Jops” and who died at the young age of 40. His friends and colleagues decided that the best way to create a memorial for him and his was to build a virtual track in his name. I have to agree with their decision and think that they have created a superb driver’s circuit and a fitting memorial.

The track itself, especially in plan view looks quite a simple circuit, but as in so many cases, the lateral map only gives half of the story, with the vertical component adding complexity and degrees of difficulty that the plan does not show.

The track starts with a good length run up to Toulo, the fast and uphill T1L, where the cars that can carry speed (and avoid the bumps) without drifting off onto the outside grass will get a good advantage into the subsequent straight, and an ideal line into the braking zone for T2R, Surer.

The next straight leads into T3R, Reggazzoni, a 90 degree left hander that is important for the entire lap. Getting the correct line through Reggazzoni allows you to attack T4L, Hirt, with it’s grandstand and haybale armco on the inside apex and the subsequent double climb straight.

That straight comes to a blind crest, and suddenly drops away and right in T5R, May. This crested turn is a real test of skill, and just how brave you can be depends on your vehicle as much as anything else.

The lightweight cars may take off here without the correct preparation and cost you time getting back into shape after landing, the heavy and powerful cars may ride the crest well, but have too many revs on for such a sudden lessening of load and grip. As you may have guessed, T5R is an extremely challenging corner, made especially more so as T6L Scherrer is lurking at the foot of the hill.

After the short blast from Scherrer, we come to the Jops Esses T7aR, T7bL & T7cR, again with some hazards on the outsides of the corners for unwary drivers, and once negotiated there’s a short sprint to T8R, Moser.

Moser is a climbing and bumpy turn that can easily flip your car round if you are careless on throttle application, and it opens into the final curve, T9L Kessel, which you hit at full power into the S/F straight, completing your lap.

The Race Director has some notes for drivers. Please see the track map above for location of Race Direction note:-
  • All Corners Without Exception – The kerbs are not deemed as track, therefore 2 wheels must be within the white lines, on the tarmac, At All Times. Again, there are NO exceptions to this rule at any point on the circuit. Any exception to this rule is deemed illegal, any advantage gained by this method must be ceded immediately. Report people deliberately and excessively cutting.
  • T1L – Toulo. The corner is quite generously wide, and so people could easily think that they have enough room to go into the corner on the outside of another driver. Be aware though that the camber and bumps will push or throw you wide. The outside of the corner is a grassy slope, so if you go on there, you will have limited control, so care is needed when re-entering track.
  • T3R & T4L – Reggazzoni & Hirt. Reggazzoni in and of itself is not dangerous, but some exit lines will cause problems when entering Hirt. Hirt has a haybale Armco barrier and a grandstand on the apex, so people behind need to be aware of the potential of emergency avoidance measures being taken by drivers in front once they realise they are in trouble.
  • T5R – May. Be prepared for some violent manouevering here after the landings as people get out of shape and try to recover.
  • T8R – Moser. The bumpy exit may get people unstable under acceleration, so be aware that there may be the odd spin on what looks like a simple straight.
  • All points on the track – One thing I’ve seen in some recent club events is that people who have left the track are re-entering the track unsafely, getting straight onto the racing line at slow speeds and/or trying to defend a position by obstruction. If anyone is the victim of such behaviour please report it.
Incidents, Investigations and Penalties
As we are at the Season Premiere, there are no Incident Reports outstanding, and any and all infractions being carried at the close of last season have been expunged. Everyone starts with a lovely new clean slate.

Please remember, the League staff will only review incidents if they are reported to them.

No report = no review.

Please try and remember the incident reporting guidelines: review, cool off, review again. Only after following the above process, and if you are convinced you still need to report it, should you let the League staff know. Please give as much information as possible during the report (time of incident, drivers involved etc.)

Any accusations or complaints aired in the Chat during or after a race will mean a penalty levied on the person complaining or making the accusations, even if a subsequent official complaint gets found in their favour. I simply will NOT tolerate any post race finger pointing.


You have chosen your car and livery already, and you must only drive your chosen car at any time during an RDHGP event. Every driver has a unique livery in this season of RDHGP.

Scoring System

As per last season the points distribution method is extended down to P20 (75% distance completion required) so people can fight for some points no matter where they are on the track, and hopefully have a season long battle with people around them in the League.
The Distribution is as follows for 100km events :

P1 - 25 pts
P2 - 22
P3 - 20
P4 - 18
P5 - 16
P6 - 15
P7 - 14
P8 - 13
P9 - 12
P10 - 11
P11 - 10
P12 - 9
P13 - 8
P14 - 7
P15 - 6
P16 - 5
P17 - 4
P18 - 3
P19 - 2
P20 - 1

1 point for fastest race lap
1 point for qualifying on Pole

Bob Hutchins

Stuart, you have done a fantastic job setting the scene for the up & coming season 5 of the RDHGP. Once again you have excelled with the track report & after reading it has me salivating at the thought of testing to get to know all its bumps & curves....
Stuart, you have done a fantastic job setting the scene for the up & coming season 5 of the RDHGP. Once again you have excelled with the track report & after reading it has me salivating at the thought of testing to get to know all its bumps & curves....
Nicely put.
Yes, was a very enjoyable read, thank you for all your efforts :)

Carlos Diaz

Happily driving a "girly" car
It looks like the quality of the briefings hasn't diminished one bit from last season. Thanks for all the effort you put into the league Thommo, seriously.

Track sounds interesting, can't wait to try it out.

Stuart Thomson

The Stoat Without Fear ™
I have to say, I'm looking forward to watching Lenno in his Ace of Spades over T5R, tbh.

If he nails it, it will be spectacular, and if he doesn't, it'll be even more so :good:
The stage is set again gents,and ofcourse the standard of presentation and build-up remains as high as is humanly possible,best of luck to everyone for round #1 RDHGP S5!!...i will try not to disappoint with some Falcon shenannagins Thommo son! :D.

Hans Sneep

If I listen carefully , I hear some distant drum rolls building up the tension, to one of our biggest league events with 32 (so far) competitors ever!
This will be a Great event for all of us.

Thanks to the hard work from Stuart making all the nice skins (I feel proud to drive in my "own" car) selecting the tracks an all the sings necessary to make it all happen. :thanks:


Warren Dawes

Good luck to all drivers in this League, hope to see most of you by Round 3 when I return from holidays.
Thanks for another top preparation Stu, always a class act. :thumb:
Turn 5 is really fun in my mighty Cortina :)

Was practicing a bit with bots earlier, here are a couple of turn 5 shenanigans.

EDIT: ah, maybe it's not allowed? Delete if so please.

Carlos Diaz

Happily driving a "girly" car
haha, those bots in the GTAs at the end must hate you lol!

I like how your car goes down the hill sideways...awesome.

Senad, what do you use to record the vids? Fraps? I can't get the sound to be recorded when I use Fraps.

Tom Wilson

great Vid - I rally like that corner, the feeling of turning in at full throttle and having no idea what awaits you over the crest (probably a spinning Falcon :wink:) is rather exciting.

I just tested out 30 car AI race on here too and it looks like it'll be an interesting first lap, very crowded.

.:Edit:. Stu, can I delete last seasons GPCOS allocations from my control centre? Or do we keep them for records etc. Just wanted a clean slate for S5. Ta .:Edit:.

Stuart Thomson

The Stoat Without Fear ™
Senad - you don't talk laptimes or anything, so no problem there, and it's a cool vid too :good:

Tom, not sure what it will affect. I think the results etc are all in closed pdf's, so it won't hurt them at least.
haha, those bots in the GTAs at the end must hate you lol!
I apologized right after, and let him pass :D

Senad, what do you use to record the vids? Fraps? I can't get the sound to be recorded when I use Fraps.
Yup, Fraps. Had no issues with it from the start, don't know what the problem is for you :(

Ryan Callan said:
Bloody hell - I'm in a GTA - err, help?

*stay behind Senad, stay BEHIND Senad*
It was just a coincidence, I have nothing against GTAs, I swear!
Other than the fact they were the top 5 bot finishers in that race.

Tom Wilson said:
I rally like that corner, the feeling of turning in at full throttle and having no idea what awaits you over the crest (probably a spinning Falcon :D) is rather exciting.
Agreed, it's great, in these cars at least. Tried the Falcon, and the Kadett once, I just went straight on into the fence :D.
Aiming for 6th place here. Anything above there will be a massive bonus, and top ten will still be perfectly acceptable given a full field.
Bloody typical lol - a completely updated version of this track has just been released.

mod edit - Link removed to avoid confusion.http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=27061

EDIT: Just tried it (doesn't overwrite the original) - it is much better looking but definitely more modern - the same layout, but slightly easier in places, as the haybales have been replaced with flat kerbs.
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