RDHGP S4 - Race 4 - Zolder, Belgium - 10/12/09

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Stuart Thomson

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Welcome to Round 4 of the RDHGP S4

Welcome back to the 2009 RDHGP S4, and our last event this year before the mid season break. Most was a vastly different track to the Glen, and I think that, from the feedback, an overall successful event. There has obviously been some extensive discussion of track cutting rules and regulations, so I will refer back to a line from the previous briefing: It is still just a game. We should never lose sight of that, no matter how seriously we take it.

To paraphrase another driver, at season end, you get an imaginary pat on your virtual back, and that’s it, and to think it is anything more than that carries the faint whiff of the ridiculous.

RDHGP is the Gentleman Racer League, and I don’t expect, and won’t allow, people to stoop below that level of sportsmanship and conduct. Unfortunately, I now have to enforce that in rulings rather than leaving it to the individual drivers’ consciences.

I, perhaps naively, made my ruling on the kerbs so people would be able to avoid contact without losing to much time and/or having to make ill-advised or hazardous manouevers at high speed to stay within the track confines, rather than for premeditated overtakes. I was desperately disappointed by the non-adherence to the spirit of RDHGP, no matter how forgiving and gracious the victim was, and as a result will now be closing that loophole.

Also, I have to remind people that – as I have already indicated in many posts and a fair few of these briefings – the only status that counts for your attendance is in GPCOS. As a result, we have 3 more no-show infractions levied after this race.

We are staying in Europe for Round 4, moving West to our only default track of the season, Zolder.

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Circuit Notes

Zolder, also called Circuit Terlaemen, is situated in the North East Belgium, in the Limburg province. Built in 1963, Zolder has hosted the Belgian Grand Prix on 10 separate occasions in the 1970s & 80s, along with the Belgian Motorcycle Grand Prix, rounds of the FIA GT Championship, the FIA WTCC and the GT Belcar Championship, notably the 24 Hours of Zolder.

Like so many other tracks, it is also has a dark side to its history. It is probably best remembered as the place where Gilles Villeneuve lost his life during qualification for the 1982 Belgian Grand Prix. This event, even though not track related, spelled out the beginning of the end for it as a Formula 1 venue, only hosting the Belgian Grand Prix once more before the event reverted to Spa-Francorchamps permanently.

The RDHGP’s historic vehicles hail from a time when Zolder was the premier circuit in Belgium, and I am anticipating some excellent racing here. Zolder has everything that I look for in a TC or GTC track: both fast and slow corners, a mix of corners that go both ways, fast straights, heavy braking zones, gradient changes.

After T1L, the next two corners at Zolder T2R & T3R can be very tricky, as they are not particularly well defined with regard to recognisable markers for optimal line, braking points, turn-in points and power-on points. They are important for good lap times, but too much aggression through here can cost more time than a slightly more cautious approach.

Once through there, T4R is a very fast corner, opening onto the back straight. T4R is guarded on the outside by a gravel trap that will cost you a lot of time to safely negotiate if you drop a wheel in there. A good line through here throws you onto the fast back straight, up to the Kleine Chicane.

As you go under the bridge, you enter the braking zone for T5aL & T5bR. It is actually more of a “double kink” than a true chicane, and this leads on to the downhill curve which approaches the Terlamenbocht complex.

The complex starts with a very tight, dipping chicane T6aR & T6bL made all the more difficult by the fast, and yet curved braking zone preceding it. Once through there, T7R is a simple left hander made more difficult by the heavy acceleration you will be under. T8R is another seemingly simple corner, but this has neutral or possibly even opposite camber, making it easy to be thrown left off the outside.

Over the crest into the short squirt down to the downhill braking zone for T9R, the tightest corner on the circuit. We then start our climb back up to the hill through T10aL & T10bR, the Jochen Rindtbocht. Like the Kleine Chicane, this is more of a double kink than a true chicane, but at the end of the straight following Rindt, we have the final corners on the lap, the Jacky Ickxbocht, a true double 90 chicane. T11aL is uphill into T11bR, which opens onto the S/F straight.

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The Race Director has (unsurprisingly) some notes for drivers. Please see the track map above for location of Race Direction note:-

· All Corners Without Exception – The kerbs are no longer deemed as track, therefore 2 wheels must be within the white lines, on the tarmac, At All Times. Again, there are NO exceptions to this rule at any point on the circuit. Any exception to this rule is deemed illegal, any advantage gained by this method must be ceded immediately.

· T4R – the gravel trap on the outside of this corner is such a hazard that people often try and go in much tighter. This has the effect of people falling off the inside kerb, losing traction on one side of the car, and spinning across the racing line (ending up in the gravel anyway). If you are following someone who is getting close to the inside of T4R, be ready for evasion if they go too tight.

· T5aL & T5bR – Kleine Chicane. As this is a fast chicane, and able to be straightened easily, all cars must have 2 wheels between the white lines throughout this section. The kerbs are NOT deemed as track, therefore “2 wheels on the tarmac at all times”.

· T6aR & T6bLTerlamenbocht complex chicane. This chicane has large concrete areas on it’s extremities. These are deemed kerbs, therefore NOT track (see point 1). All cars must have 2 wheels between the white lines (ie on tarmac) throughout this section.

· T10aL & T10bR – Jochen Rindtbocht. As this is a fast chicane, and able to be straightened easily, all cars must have 2 wheels between the white lines throughout this section. The kerbs are NOT deemed as track, therefore “2 wheels on the tarmac at all times”.

· T11aL & T11bR – Jacky Ickxbocht. All cars must have 2 wheels between the white lines (ie on tarmac) throughout this section.

Incidents, Investigations and Penalties

After round 3 there are currently no outstanding Incidents or Investigations, but there are a few Penalties being levied.

2 no-show penalty infractions are being served (2 races remaining on these infractions):-

Simon Bacon
Stuart Neal

3 new no-show penalty infractions are being issues:-

Arkadiusz Kotarski
Lee Madden
Matt Crouch

These infractions will be carried for 4 events, after which time they will be rescinded. A further infraction will result in expulsion from the League.

Please remember, the League staff will only review incidents if they are reported to them.

No report = no review.

Please try and remember the incident reporting guidelines: review, cool off, review again. Only after following the above process, and if you are convinced you still need to report it, should you let the League staff know. Please give as much information as possible during the report (time of incident, drivers involved etc.)

Any accusations or complaints aired in the Chat during or after a race will mean a penalty levied on the person complaining or making the accusations, even if a subsequent official complaint gets found in their favour. I simply will NOT tolerate any post race finger pointing.

Liveries

You have chosen your car and livery already, and you must only drive your chosen car at any time during an RDHGP event. Every driver has a unique livery in this season of RDHGP.

Scoring System

I have extended the points distribution method down to P20 (75% distance completion required) so people can fight for some points no matter where they are on the track, and hopefully have a season long battle with people around them in the League.

The Distribution is as follows (double for the 200km event):

P1 - 25 pts
P2 - 22
P3 - 20
P4 - 18
P5 - 16
P6 - 15
P7 - 14
P8 - 13
P9 - 12
P10 - 11
P11 - 10
P12 - 9
P13 - 8
P14 - 7
P15 - 6
P16 - 5
P17 - 4
P18 - 3
P19 - 2
P20 - 1

1 point for fastest race lap (not double on 200km event)

1 point for qualifying on Pole (not double on 200km event)

Final Word
Even though I will no doubt be chatting to most of you in here before and after the race, and some of you in other events, for those of you I miss, I would like to take this opportunity to wish you a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, thanks for your attendance so far, I hope you are enjoying it, and I look forward to seeing you all back at Mugello on 14th January 2010 for Round 5.
 
Here my 'full' report on yesterday's event.
Despite looking forward to the event I didn't had enough practice on advance so I was happy being able to join a bit up front to extend the practice session.
Here I was again struggling with my wheel: the force settings were still messed up. Finally discovered that the 'reverse' thing was checked... Re-found that wonderful feel after deactivating and improved my laptimes immediately.
Q: Reached a 1.47.5 which resulted in a 9th spot on the grid. I think, no know, that I can do better as during race I reached a 1.47 flat with a +/- full tank. But I wanted to make sure I drove a very clean line in qualy.
R: I urgently have to practice those starts as I keep losing positions in those first seconds. Same for Zolder where Stuart was on the grid behind me, but at the first corner already I was staring at the Blue & white Escort's rear-end. As I have become familiar with Stu's driving style I was able to keep the distance pretty close, until I spun out in lap 3. In lap 7-8 we were re-united as it was Mr. Thomson's time to loose control.
Then in the middle of all the action I got pretty close to Ulli, and unfortunately at the chicane in the back a tod too close :( A big sorry Ulli, I waited politely, but we lost several positions due to my fault. Feel free to report. I sincerely hope it wasn't due to that bump that you had to pit in.
I started chasing my favourite Escort and in lap 12-13 I kept it quite close (less then 1 sec for +2 laps = exciting :) ) Then Mr. Lennon recovered and entered the track between me & Stuart. Several laps I was chasing Gary also within 1 sec (lap 14-15&16) until it was my turn to loose control over my 911.
For the final laps I was following David Cuthill at +5 seconds and was starting to think of safely guiding the BelgaBabe home. When I saw David struggling to get out of the Kitty litter in corner nr3 I gained a final position, but got stressed when I hit the barrier pretty hard half a lap later. Panicking to loose that precious position to David I squeezed everything out of my havocked Porsche, finishing with 0.7sec distance :)

A great event, with a lot of close racing, only overshadowed by the incident with Ulli.
Once again apologies Ulli.

Thanks Stuart & RD


Kris

Edit: I got to give credits to Piotrek for driving that 914! You're a brave man!
 
I was just watching my replay and I am shocked and ashamed of how many times I found myself cutting:sad:.

I will post pics of all the instances in which I feel I was cutting, even if slightly.
I will say that I did not cut to gain advantage on anyone and that in most of the cuts I didn't even know I was off track, I think it has something to do with my FOV and the incar view. I think I am going to start driving from the hood view.
 
Its very difficult job for Stuart to decide if the "cut" is deliberate or just a driving error and where do you draw the line how many times is too much. Thats why it perhaps just easier to let everyone to take their line freely without any 2 wheels in white line rule.
Anyhow Stuart is the the BOSS so we go by his ruling and rules.

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Jari
 
League teachs not only how to be fast, but the key factor is to teach gentlemen driving. We are the adult people and when we agreed not cut so it was simply gentleman agreement and nobody took care of check the cuts because we trust each other. But if someone cut the track despite of clear briefing he broke our gentleman agreement that is extremely impolite IMHO.

Of course there should not be penalised people who cut in a sporadic way but if someone cut the track permamently he cheated.

There must be a habit in each driver that firstly when he is learning the track he should think what is the best line to take and later try to be as fast as possible.

Maybe I exaggerate but we want to be a big family where we can trust each other, if someone tries to not cut and see someone cut, he feels cheated, because we agreed something and the rule was broken. It cannot be like that.

Believe me, if I see someone cuts the track, in my mind I will remember him as a someone who does not follow the rules. I mean reguralrly cutting.

If we allow the sim to decide how to drive, people will not concentrate on fair drive but in finding as short way as possible that has nothing common with the real race. In real race contact with grass usually ends much worse than in sim, so that's why in real racing it is not key factor but in simracing it is untill contact with grass will be much much worse than it is now.

So please take into account in the next race that the rules are to follow not to brake even if noone submit it, you should feel giulty inside. If you do not feel it you should not race with gentlemen drivers.
 
I know I cut the tracka few times - you don't get 2 SNG's for nothing...but both the times I was given a stop go were because of Lapping incidents casuing me to loose concentration and going off. I don't think I gain an advantage at any point by cutting the track, and if I did then I am sorry. I can say catagorically that the cuts were due to driver error and a very poor car that had very bad understeer problems all race.

I'm sure all those who did cut were not doing so to gain time - it's just a tough track to master.
 
Just watched the replay and Wow.... I said in my first post that my race was ok. But that doesn't give the credit deserved to Ulli, great first few laps, Warren and Krysztof for the last 6 laps..It watched the replay not from my car but from their point of view, and it was great. :good:
 
OK here are the pics of my cuts...
I am not happy to say this but there were more, these are just from the first 10 or 11 laps, the rest are pretty much identical to these. I cut T1L many times:shame:. I knew I was riding over the kerb but I didn't know I was COMPLETELY off the tarmac.

In the first pic it looks like I am cutting to pass Piotrek, but what actually happened there was that I have my brake pressure set at 90% so they they won't lock up on me, I was following Piotrek too closely and when he broke I went left to avoid him, I did cut the track while doing so but I let off the gas through the apex to make sure I stayed behind him, thus not gaining any advantage.

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Stu, I will totally understand if I am penalized for the above cuts. I will have no hard feelings.
 
Yeah Carlos - the BMW is quite difficult to see out of anyway. i followed you for most of that race and I didn't think you did anything maliciously - i'm sure if I looked at my replay then i'd be cutting a bit more than I realised too.

Don't beat yourself up about it!
 
My turn now, in short since my browser just erased all that I have written :(

Nice that you decided to credit my driving throughougt the first laps of the race Steven. I did have a nice being chased and chasing you and actually thought to keep it that way longer, but I apparently don't have the nerves yet to keep up my concentration when fast guys are chasing me ;)
You surely contributed big time to my fast lap times at the beginning :good: great driving.
I myself consider my driving rather fair.
This is mainly due to the fact that I only spend 2 hours practice on this track, plus official practice. My driving was OK under the given circumstances, but I surely was not good enough to drive with the faster guys up front... not this time, with my laptime...

This is what the league taught me so far: REALLY getting to know a track... each of its turns! I cannot claim to know ZOLDER after this one.

I did get two warnings due to cutting or leaving the track which in both cases did not result in any advantages but rather lack of concentration AND AGAIN MY NOT KNOWING THE TRACK AS WELL.

For this reason, although I fought for my good position at the beginning and was determined to defend it, I knew that I was not quick enough to keep 7th place! However, it did annoy me to be bumped even in this race (which makes it a ratio of 3 to 1 for being hit) by Kris before the chicane. Yet, not as much as the following S&G penalty. Right after I got hit and got back on track, sth. wasn't right with the tires - right on the next chicane, the tires had no grip but just skidded me into another cut which gave me that wonderful penalty.

Kris, I know you did not deliberately hit me! But at the same time, I cannot deny that it did not annoy me... anybody would have felt the same way. What annoyed me most was the subsequent S&G penalty which chiefly I am the one to blame. Would I have still received it if you hadn't hit me???? I don't know and we will never find out!

I can only say that IF I HAD PRACTICED more on this track, I would've probably not received the first two warnings and perhaps I would've been fast enough to keep you at bay.

I do not blame you for my bad result of this race because my preparation did not place me in the position to expect similar results to those of the other tracks!

No hard feelings, buddy :handshake:

After my penalty I hit the track again, with 30 seconds to the nearest opponent. In the end, I managed to pass three more cars and finished p.15!



As I said, fair result!

But, the next one will be better :victory:



Concerning the cutting, I have no idea how often I did illegally cut, but I think that we will soon find out!

Great driving Stu, I did my best to catch up with you again but unfortunately only closed in on you 20 seconds LOL :D


Carlos, I dont think there is any need to switch to the hood view! GTL is so cool mostly cause of the nice cockpits :inlove: and I also think that it can be learned to estimate the distant to the curbs better as experience grows :)
 
I understand that, but all you need to do now is correct your POV a little towards the inside of the track, meaning, when you think you are ok, take the next turn in a way that you think you are entirely within the white lines! Then, press "r" for replay and check the last turn!

That's what I did when practicing at Watkins Glen! That way, you get a better understanding of how far you are off the track and will soon be able to judge your positon much better!

Besides, you did take some nice incriminating pictures there LOL :)

But as usual, you cannot judge anything from thoses pix (for us I mean)!!!
--> theoretically the pic may show you seconds before you ran off the track!

I think, the problem here is the deliberate cutting which is done intentionally to gain time and personal advantage!

I did not watch the replay yet, but IMO, people that are cutting because they have troubles keeping the car under control at some point should not be penalized!


BTW, thanks HANS and whoever was driving in the 914 Porsche for letting me by :good:
 
I understand that, but all you need to do now is correct your POV a little towards the inside of the track, meaning, when you think you are ok, take the next turn in a way that you think you are entirely within the white lines! Then, press "r" for replay and check the last turn!

Thanks Ulli, I'll try that.

And yeah, those pics are definitely incriminating,:lol:, remind me never to defend myself in a court of law, I would surely be sentenced to the maximum!lol!
 
Yeah Carlos, better get a lawyer hehe :)
I know the issue being discussed here is serious and may penalize anyone of us, but still, when I saw your pictures I had to LOL ... I mean, you were talking 'bout uploading pictures that showed you cut, but d a m n :D
 
Gents, while I appreciate the comments on the subject so far, I will only be investigating the drivers named in the report. The report mentions a specific set of corners, and they will be the only things I will be reviewing.

Cutting is a very thorny subject, people who don't deliberately cut tend to feel quite aggrieved when they see people cutting for advantage.

I'll be looking primarily at whether the people in question were under control, whether the lines taken were for avoidance, how many times the cuts took place, and whether a time penalty or penalties is/are appropriate.
 
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