RBR RaceDepartment League

Updated rules 30/7/2010. Changes in red.

After many weeks of work and the help from Warren, Senad and others RaceDepartment is going to host an RBR Rally League.

In this thread you will find a draft of the rules for the league and over the next week (untill August 6th) we will take suggestions from members on final improvements. On 7th August the final draft will be posted and final, so get your ideas in.

These rules look complicated but they are a simple statement of most of the rules we already compete with. It has been writen in a way to made dealing with any future disagreements simple and quick so they SHOULD cover everything.

RaceDepartment Rally League

Format

The RaceDeparment Forum Rally League will be run over a 7 round championship. By comparison to the RaceDepartment rally club these events will be endurance events running between 8 - 12 stages per rally. Stages will mostly be used twice each rally and BTB stages may also be included. All rules from the rally club and RSRBR will stand unless they are superseeded in this forum. The RaceDepartment Rally League will use reduced car damage with the cars being automaticlly repaired after each stage.

Schedule

The RaceDepartment Forum Rally League will run once every 4 weeks in place of that weeks Club Rally event starting on September 13th/14th. As with the rally club 3 times zones will be made available (EU/US/OC) with the times being combined to find an overall winner.

Championship

Drivers in the RaceDepartment Forum Rally league will be split into 2 classes. Both classes will compete on the same stages at the same time and will be separated in the points table. Drivers wishing to score points in the championship will have to register by posting in the Rally League thread. Points will only be awarded once the driver has registered. Car choice must be made prior to the first round that the driver contests and may not be changed for the duration of the season unless the drivers class changes. Drivers wishing to score points in the league must be registered members of RaceDepartment Forum.

Class 1 (A) league

"A" League drivers are competing for the outright or overall rally and championship win.

Drivers in "A" league must drive cars from Car Packs A8W03, A8W04 and A8W05.

Class 2 (Premier League)

"Premier" League drives will compete for their own champioship within the series as well as being able to score points for the overall championship

Premier drivers wishing to score points in the league must compete in at least 1 Club rally event between each league rally and prior to the league begining.

Drivers in "Premier" League will drive cars from car packs N4-1 and N4-2. (Note: Lancia Delta, Ford Escort and Skoda Octavia will not be eligable)


A Driver will automaticlly be classed as a "Premier" League driver unless

1/ The driver has previously won a Rally Club event
2/ The driver chooses to compete in the "A" league
3/ The league "rally directors" deem it necessary to promote a driver in the interests of fare competition.

Note:- If a driver disagrees with their placement in "A" league they can publicly request (in the league thread) for a re-classification to "Premier" league. This will allow any other league driver to object or support them. However the rally directors'decision will be final.

A Premier league driver will be promoted to A league if:

1/ The driver wins a Racedepartment Forum Rally league event outright
This will go into effect from the event where the win happens and from then on

2/ The driver finishes in the top 5 on 3 separate rallies in one season.
This will take effect from the start of the following season

Teams Championship

In addition to the 2 drivers championships a "Teams"'Championship will be conducted. Each team may consist of no more that 2 drivers and MAY NOT contain more than 1 "A" league driver. It is possible to have 2 premier league drivers in the same team. Should a team's driver be promoted from "premier" to "A" league, only the points from the highest finishing team member will be counted toward the teams championship from that event untill the season end.

Points system

Outright :

1st - 25
2nd - 18
3rd - 15
4th - 12
5th - 10
6th - 8
7th - 6
8th - 4
9th - 2
10th - 1

Premier :

1st - 25
............
25th - 1

Teams

Points from the outright positions and premier league will be combined with the highest points score per driver being taken. Points will only be awarded once per driver per event.

Parc Fermé

In the case of a protest or complaint from competitors a drivers stage replays must be emailed to the rally director apon request. All protests must be recieved within 5 days of the results being posted on RaceDepartment and the protesting driver must ALSO supply their stage replays. The ruling will be by the rally directors and will be final.

Note : should the protest concern one of the rally directors themself, another seperate un-involved member will be brought in to judicate
 
I agree with all the rules from 1st post.I defenetly accept this offer :D. Only thing is that we ride cumulative damage if we can repair it once per 2 stages,if not,i don't want cumulative damage.
I am really looking forward to this,i can even make 2 teams.BTW,at the final results,after all the championship ends,the driver from Premiere division can even win the championship by points? I'm sorry but i didn't really understand how the podium will be created,only with A division or the Premiere is included too even if Premiere is running another pack of cars? I like the cars that you choosed.
Can't wait!
 
About cumulative damage I agree as long is set to Reduced, because Realistic it won't finnish even one( even to French server the cumulative damage is set to Reduced). And to make it real, we can have a service park every 2,3 or 4 stages depending of the lenght of them.
nine or 10 stages per event it's oke, if we want 15 stages event , we can split it in 2 leg event, 2 different days and everyone is happy. We can go even for a 3 days event, like in the real WRC .My oppinion is that we have a limited car choice, you can consider to add more classes, the A class to be all WRCs and Premier the others ( except protos, D-class and B class) On some tarmac stages you'll be surprise to see that a 2WD will beat a WRC. Anyone to be free to choose one car and stick with it all season gravel and tarmac, 2WD or 4WD.
 
totally agree, without repairs every two or three stages we will have sth like 95% of all players not making it to the finish (unless people put an insane amount of time into preparation for each event). So, if cumulative damage can only be done without repairs at some points, forget it as quick as I brought it up ... I also dunno if a two or three day event is technically feasible, let's try to keep the worload for staff as low as possible.
 
Regarding the rules of the league I completely agree.

Just disagree with the pack of cars chosen. Since in reality the rally will suffer modifications.

In my opinion changed Class A to pack S2000 and Class B to pack N4_1 and N4_2.

Pedro, when you say "modifications" do you mean there will be a large difference between A and Premier league? If you do, that is the way it was designed. We want there to be an obvious difference between in performance so the Permier league drivers don't feel like they HAVE to compete against the A league boys.

My original idea was to run everybody in N4 but to make premier league use only default setup. Unfortunately, it was pointed out there is no way to lock setups though.
 
Nah, he just means that WRC cars in real life are going to be based on S2000 cars.

They will be based on S2000 next year, but RSRBR will still have a year of WRC (A8W10 still to come) and the S2000 cars will be much faster than they are now.

Also and most importantly, I am not trying to recreate the WRC, more like a regional championship where WRC cars will be running for years to come. That is one reason I didn't want to use the current A8W09 cars, also there is such a limited choice.
 
Warren, you have made this coment to me in the past. The only way to find the password is to be a member so it really is a mute point thas why it wasn't in the rules.

It's a basic requirement for all RD Leagues, and it is better to include it in the upfront rules, rather than to let people find out by searching for passwords etc. Don't forget, this thread is in the public section, and hopefully will attract new drivers. People need to know upfront, not hound admin staff with questions.

I have no clue if repairing damage in the middle of a rally is possible :s. If it is, I don't see it.
Warren probably knows more.
I have no idea either. And we certainly don't want to rely on Rallyesim developing mods to RSRBR2010 just for us, do we?
I'm wary of using realistic damage though, it will mean lots of retirements, and my experience with Leagues, lots of retirements usually leads to very small grids by the end of the League.

It was easier to make everyone run under the same rules, but if there are enough drivers wanting to run cumulative damage it can be done. It is still preferable to have the premier league run reduced though as it give those with less time to practice and test as chance at having fun without TOO much challenge.

I don't favour having two different sets of Damage rules for each division. This would mean that we have to set up two separate sets of Rally's on the Server, one for each division, and there are restrictions on the number of Public Sessions we can create (max three per creator).
It would also mean that the two divisions would not be on the same Rally in the Server, so the real time aspect for drivers would be affected.
It's not impossible, but I would advise against it.

EDIT: maybe we can try a test of cumulative damage and repairs after certain Stages in one of our Rally Club Events, has anyone any experience of how it works?
 
cumulative damage and repairs is set up like this.

You acumulate damage through the stages and if you decide to repair the car between two you get a time penalty. RSRBR has to be encouraged to correct this to be more realistic for everyone, not just us, but it wont happen for this seasons league.

The decission has been made to run without cumulative damage for this season with all drivers running under the same damage etc, if something changes in RSRBR then we can look at it for next season. lets not get dragged down debating one aspect here.

Next topic please.
 
yeah, let's get this thing off the ground. One last bit: Why not do a rally every three weeks? Otherwise the tournament will drag on forever and ever and we'll lose most players as the season goes on.

off topic: does RBR run under windows7 (gonna buy a new PC tomorrow)
 
yeah, let's get this thing off the ground. One last bit: Why not do a rally every three weeks? Otherwise the tournament will drag on forever and ever and we'll lose most players as the season goes on.

off topic: does RBR run under windows7 (gonna buy a new PC tomorrow)

Yep, RBR runs under windows7, I do it. You just have to install it away from the C:. For some reason it acts up with the authority from the system.

Why not run every three weeks? There are a couple of reasons. One, I don't want the league to take away the part that the rally club plays in bringing in new drivers. Warren has put so much effort into giving us all a place to compete and have fun. I want this to compliment that, not take its place. I know the rally club runs each week right now, but if it moves back to every seacond week i would hope it would be on the opposite mon/tues from the League.

If we were to run on another night maybe we can change it to every two weeks. What night is best? Thursday/Friday night would be my vote.

What about making it one season, 23:00 GMT friday nights (7am AEST Saturday).
 
I'm getting a bit confused now. :confused:

What do people prefer:
Would they like the Racing Club to be less frequent?
Do people prefer that the League replaces the Racing Club? (totally or or at intervals?)
Do people want the Racing Club to run on different nights to the League?

I will try to organise Racing Club events based on what the majority of drivers want.
 
Warren,

I think people LOVE the "Rally" club running as it is. I presonally really enjoy it. The League is just to "compliment" it.

I don't think Eckhart was saying he wanted a replacement to the Club events but wanting to run a more condenced time frame for the league. As I've said to you privately, it is not my intention to take ANYTHING away from the Rally Club, you and the effort you have put in started me competing online.

My last post was simply asking if running on another day, so it doesn't effect the Club at any point, would be preferable. Changing the time the League runs is an option, it was only put in place of one Club Rally each month after talking to you. I will take most concerns into account in changing the schedule for the league except anything to do with someone running a "track race" at the same time. I don't care. Rallying will take priority.

If we had rallies running every day, i would be a part of them all and i will still be competing in every Club rally i can. I hope I am not the only one.

Don't change the Rally Club, The league will fit in around you.
 

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