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Race #3, China: Post-Race Discussion

Kris Cobb

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Feel free to discuss the race in this thread, as long as it is within the forum rules.
 

David O'Reilly

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Shout out to Muhammed Patel who drove a great race. Sorry to see you miss out on the win so cruelly.
 
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Ho3n3r

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did i get an advantage? now we penalise mistakes on the outlap? are we gone nuts?
If you don't, people will just carry speed through that corner and have extra km/h on the start of the hotlap, so it sounds correct to be honest.
 
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If you don't, people will just carry speed through that corner and have extra km/h on the start of the hotlap, so it sounds correct to be honest.
This extra km/h sould be proven and in that case sould be penalized. Without this extra km/h on outlap there is no advantage so no penalty.
 
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Technically speaking you should only be able to penalize the official Q lap. i.e. from the time you pass s/f to start the lap, to the time you pass s/f to finish the lap.

The rulebook doesn't explicitly state that mistakes on the outlap will be penalized. Nor does it explicitly state that the Race Director may apply penalties at his/her own discretion with regards to Q laps.

You could possibly use those 2 points to try and justify your argument against the penalty.

To be fair to the RD though, if it's clear that an advantage was gained by deliberate actions, then a penalty isn't out of order.
 

Carlos Martín

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Technically speaking you should only be able to penalize the official Q lap. i.e. from the time you pass s/f to start the lap, to the time you pass s/f to finish the lap.

The rulebook doesn't explicitly state that mistakes on the outlap will be penalized. Nor does it explicitly state that the Race Director may apply penalties at his/her own discretion with regards to Q laps.

You could possibly use those 2 points to try and justify your argument against the penalty.

To be fair to the RD though, if it's clear that an advantage was gained by deliberate actions, then a penalty isn't out of order.
Then in tracks like Valencia you can go wide last corner and win like 50 meter extra.

Last year I also applied penalties like this in Pro, makes sense as you can win time.
 
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Indeed, you could. :)

I agree that it makes sense for penalties like this to be applied. However, I was bringing 2 small loopholes in the rules to light.
 
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In Q1 it's not just about gaining momentum from wider last corner, it's also about gaining session time. In Bahrain first corner can be completely cut (turning in 300m before apex where the road is on the right) , gaining 10 seconds, and also some other corners you can use the trackside tarmac to gain even more time to be able to do one extra lap.

Btw, it just occured to me, what happens, if I cut Bahrain T1 this way in the race? I can do it in up to 10% of laps, right?
 

Carlos Martín

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In Q1 it's not just about gaining momentum from wider last corner, it's also about gaining session time. In Bahrain first corner can be completely cut (turning in 300m before apex where the road is on the right) , gaining 10 seconds, and also some other corners you can use the trackside tarmac to gain even more time to be able to do one extra lap.

Btw, it just occured to me, what happens, if I cut Bahrain T1 this way in the race? I can do it in up to 10% of laps, right?
Intentional cuts can end on disqualifications and race bans.
 

Ho3n3r

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In Q1 it's not just about gaining momentum from wider last corner, it's also about gaining session time. In Bahrain first corner can be completely cut (turning in 300m before apex where the road is on the right) , gaining 10 seconds, and also some other corners you can use the trackside tarmac to gain even more time to be able to do one extra lap.

Btw, it just occured to me, what happens, if I cut Bahrain T1 this way in the race? I can do it in up to 10% of laps, right?
Ask @Lionel Klue from Hockenheim 2014. ;)
 
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No, since that would be blatant cheating and would more than likely lead to a permanent ban. :) There's a white line rule for a reason.
 

Kris Cobb

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If this was done during the timed lap there would be no issue.
Btw, it just occured to me, what happens, if I cut Bahrain T1 this way in the race? I can do it in up to 10% of laps, right?
Intentional/major cuts are a race ban. Doing it multiple times may be looked at as cheating which could result in a season or lifetime ban.
 
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Then in tracks like Valencia you can go wide last corner and win like 50 meter extra.

Last year I also applied penalties like this in Pro, makes sense as you can win time.
We are talking about cutting on last corner without gain time, it's normal that if someone with cutting gain 5-10 km/h should be penalized, but as I think david lost some pace on outlap, as I did why should we penalized? we penalized ourself with our mistake. I want to point out that I'm talking about outlap on Q not during the race.