Race #3, China: Post-Race Checks

[Kris Cobb]

Post-Race Checks

Alex Diaz (4.50)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: NA

Alvaro Torres (2.50)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: -0.50 PP and +2 Seconds Time Penalty for Incident #6. -1.00 PP for Incident #16.

Artyon Aslamazyan (4.50)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: NA

Carlos Martin (3.75)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Upstream/Downstream rated KBPS="386/2602"
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: Official Warning for Log Infraction. -0.50 PP for Incident #15.

Chris de Jong (1.75)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Race 1, No Log; Race 2,Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: Disqualified from Race 1 for No Log.

Daniel Kiss (3.25)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: -1.00 PP for Incident #12.

Danny van der Niet (2.00)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: -1.00 PP for Incident #17.

Gennaro Celiento (1.00)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Net Connection Type="3"
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: Official Warning for Log Infraction (3rd Time), Next time will be DQ!

Giordano Valeriano (3.50)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: -0.50 PP for Incident #11.

Giuseppe Marconi (4.00)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: NA

Jiri Toman (4.50)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: NA

Jonny Simon (4.50)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: NA

Luca Desi (2.25)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: NA

Marco Conti (1.25)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Net Connection Type="3", Upstream/Downstream rated KBPS="5000/5000"
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: Official Warning for Log Infraction. -0.50 PP for Incident #5. -1.50 PP for Incident #7. -1.00 PP for Incident #8.

Mark Johnston (2.25)
Q1: Clean
Q2: NA
Log: No Logs Sent
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: NA
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: Disqualified from Race 1 for No Logs.

Martin Hodas (3.75)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: NA

Michi Hoyer (1.00)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: -0.50 PP for Incident #13. -1.00 PP for Incident #18. -1.00 PP for Incident #20. Start from Pits at Imola Race 2 for Incident #20.

Muhammed Patel (3.25)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: -0.50 PP and +5 Second Time Penalty for Incident #9.

Norbert Leitner (3.25)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: NA

Thomas Mundy (4.50)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: NA

Thomas Satherley (4.50)
Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control R1: Used
Launch Control R2: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: NA

 

[Kris Cobb]

Incidents

Before going straight to the incidents verdicts take into account that there has been some rule changes this year regarding the penalty system and it may seem that penalties are harsher than previous years.

This year with the introduction of the Safety Rating value every driver gets 0.25 SR for a clean race (2 Races per Weekend).
That means that if a driver has a penalty of 1.5 penalty points he will be able to recover those penalty points doing 6 clean races (3 Race Weekends) while the previous years the driver had to do 5 consecutive clean races (5 Weekends) in order to “erase” his penalty points.


Incident #1
Driver(s) Involved Michi Hoyer, Jonny Simon
Lap/Replay Time R1/L1/0:15
Protest Description Michi hits several times Jonny's back and Jonny loses his rear wing.
Verdict Hoyer did not have anywhere to go, Simon could have left a bit more room. Looked like lag or game bug. No further action.


Incident #2
Driver(s) Involved Martin Hodas, Michi Hoyer
Lap/Replay Time R1 - Lap 1 - T1-T6
Protest Description Hoyer slightly touches Martin in T1/T3, meanwhile caused a colision with Simon. Then in T6 he divebombed Martin from 4-5 cars lengths back, so Martin had to chose the outside line and let him go to avoid contact.
Verdict: Hoyer was beside Hodas, and contact did not look like was made. Hoyer held his line, looked like Hodas turned in more than Hoyer, plenty of room on Hodas' part. Simon was beside Hoyer and did not have anywhere to go. T6, did not look like correction was made, Hoyer makes a clean pass. Unofficial warning to Hoyer, divebombing is discouraged and most drivers would not be able to pull off this move without contact.


Incident #3
Driver(s) Involved Giordano Valeriano, De Jong
Lap/Replay Time Multiple
Protest Description Race 1 lap 5 minute 1:19 to minute 1:28
Verdict: De Jong brakes too late, missing the apex, resulting in contact and forcing Valeriano out of track. -1.0 PP for De Jong.


Incident #4
Driver(s) Involved Giordano Valeriano, Jarl Teien
Lap/Replay Time Race 1 lap 5 time minute 1:37
Verdict: Both cars approach the apex alongside, but Teien loses the rear end a bit in middle of corner. However, Valeriano gives very little room on inside. Racing incident.


Incident #5
Driver(s) Involved Álvaro Torres, Marco Conti
Lap/Replay Time lap 5, 1:24-1:29
Protest Description Conti dives heavily into Álvaro and forces him to do a wider line, losing the position. Conti leaves no room to Álvaro, making a loght contact between them and Conti taking the position
Verdict: Conti takes a very wide line on exit, not giving Torres a reasonable amount of room, considering Torres' trajectory, to avoid contact. Torres leaves plenty of room on track. -0.50 PP for Conti for slight contact, and for unreasonable divebomb.


Incident #6
Driver(s) Involved Jiri Toman, Alvaro Torres
Lap/Replay Time R1 - Lap 17 - 0:09
Protest Description Jiri goes on the into T2 leaving Torres enough space on the inside, yet he makes contact with Jiri which slows him down and allows Torres to regain his position.
Verdict: Torres goes wide causing contact. Furthermore, incident causes Torres to gain a position. -0.50 PP for Torres, and +2 Second time penalty.


Incident #7
Driver(s) Involved Jiri Toman, Marco Conti
Lap/Replay Time R1 - Lap 30 - 1:21
Protest Description Jiri is behind Torres braking into T14 while Conti divebombs both of them, losing control of his car completely and hitting Jiri despite enough space left on the inside. Then continues throttling while Jiri is stuck on his front causing him to lose two positions.
Verdict: Conti loses control of car and causes contact with Toman. Applying throttle while "stuck" on another car causes outcome to be worse than it should have been. -1.50 PP for Conti.


Incident #8
Driver(s) Involved Danny Van Der Niet, Marco Conti
Lap/Replay Time lap 32 0:30
Protest Description Conti and Van Der Niet are approaching T4 when Conti rams into Danny and he gains and advantadge from it.
Verdict: Conti and Van Der Niet are beside each other going into the corner. Conti cuts in and causes contact, gaining an advantage. -1.00 PP for Conti.


Incident #9
Driver(s) Involved Carlos Martín, Muhammed Patel
Lap/Replay Time Lap 34, 1:28
Protest Description Muhammed dives into Carlos, causing a contact and gaining 1 place.
Verdict: Patel causes contact with Martin. Carlos does turn in but adjusts before contact is made. Patel uses Martin's car as a brake, and gains an advantage. -0.50 PP and a +5 second Time Penalty for Patel.


Incident #10
Driver(s) Involved Chris De Jong, Giordano Valeriano
Lap/Replay Time Race 2 Formation Lap
Protest Description Contact between Valeriano and De Jong on Formation Lap.
Verdict: Online rules supplement article 5.1: Drivers will do a formation lap, with the Pole Position driver leading the field. Please keep a prudent distance to the car ahead. -0.5 PP to Valeriano.


Incident #11
Driver(s) Involved Chris De Jong, Jonny Simon, Gennaro Celiento, Ayrtom...
Lap/Replay Time Lap 19, 0:43
Protest Description Celiento crashes in Ayrtom making the chaos in T1 and took Simon and De Jong, which ended with De Jong retirement.
Verdict: Celiento and Simon do not cause De Jong's car to go wide. Racing Incident. No Further action.


Incident #12
Driver(s) Involved Martin Hodas, Daniel Kiss
Lap/Replay Time R2 - Lap 1 - T1
Protest Description Kiss is on the inside, then goes wide and pushes Martin off the line to gain position.
Verdict: Kiss goes wide causing contact. -1.00 PP for Kiss.


Incident #13
Driver(s) Involved Carlos Martín, Michi Hoyer
Lap/Replay Time Race 2 Lap 1, 1:33
Protest Description Michi returns to track and hits Carlos causing him suspension damage.
Verdict: Hoyer cuts-in, corrects and cuts-in again causing contact. -0.50 PP for Hoyer.


Incident #14
Driver(s) Involved Carlos Martin, Alvaro Torres
Lap/Replay Time Race 2 Lap 2 Turn 1 0:19
Protest Description Carlos hits Alvaro and Alvaro receives heavy damage because of the contact. This kind of driving shouldn't be allowed.
Verdict: Not sure when this incident happened. No further action.
May I suggest to handle this internally, if you don't think this driving style should be allowed you should have a conversation with your own driver. Other drivers you cannot do much about, but your own driver you should be able to handle perfectly well.


Incident #15
Driver(s) Involved Michi Hoyer, Carlos Martin
Lap/Replay Time Race 2 Lap 2 1:33
Protest Description Carlos Martin passed by gaining advantage on going wide (leave track with all 4 wheels) - Didn't gave Positions back.
Verdict: Martin leave the track with 3 wheels, extending the track illegally and gaining an advantage. -0.50 PP for Martin.


Incident #16
Driver(s) Involved Martin Hodas, Alvaro Torres
Lap/Replay Time R2 - Lap 6 - T4 (lap 9)
Protest Description Martin is in a battle with Satherley and exiting from the outside of T3. Torres uses this for an overtake attempt from the inside. He has enough space, but hits Martin and gains the position.
Verdict: Torres turns to the outside hitting Martin. -1.00 PP for Torres.


Incident #17
Driver(s) Involved Michi Hoyer, Danny van der Niet
Lap/Replay Time Race 2 Lap 8 0:04 (Lap 9)
Protest Description van der Niet shot Hoyer on entrance of turn 1
Verdict: Van Der Niet causes contact with Hoyer. -1.00 PP for Van Der Niet.


Incident #18
Driver(s) Involved Michi Hoyer, Jonny Simon
Lap/Replay Time R2/L8/1:20
Protest Description Back straigth, DRS zone, DRS activated. Jonny overtakes Michi but this one is waiving at 320kph and causes a big incident hitting Jonny when is on his side.
Verdict: Hoyer turns on Simon causing damage. -1.00 PP for Hoyer.


Incident #19
Driver(s) Involved Daniel Kiss, Michi Hoyer
Lap/Replay Time Race 2, Lap 9, 1:17
Protest Description Michi Hoyer has an oversteer moment coming out of the corner 12 and then he understeers into Daniel Kiss and makes him spin, then he hits Kiss again who got suspension damage because of the contact.
Verdict: Neither driver left room for the other, nor held their line in a reasonable way. Racing Incident. No Further action.


Incident #20
Driver(s) Involved Giordano Valeriano, Michi Hoyer
Lap/Replay Time R2 L11 1:22
Protest Description:
Verdict: Hoyer makes a sudden swerve move at straight, causing DNF for Valeriano. -1.0 PP and start from pits for Hoyer at Imola Race 2, due to similar action as in incident #18.

 

[danielino]

A small tap in T1 = 1 ppt.
Making an other guy spin causing him to lose several positions = racing incident, no further action. (

)

 

[Ho3n3r]

A small tap in T1 = 1 ppt.
Making an other guy spin causing him to lose several positions = racing incident, no further action. (

)

LOL. The guy who was responsible for the collision, was the one who spun and lost several positions.

 

[Kris Cobb]

Incidents 3,4, 10, and 20 have been updated.

In the interest of fairness and transparency, I do not judge my own drivers when someone protests them. John-Eric Saxen has been nice enough to do this for me. This is why these incidents are late.

 

[Ben Tusting]

 

[Carlos Martín]

Wtf incident 14?

We are teammates, we didn't do the protest

 

[Carlos Martín]

Kris I suggest you to delete all incidents that provide from same email as incident 14. We didn't do that protest so should be invalidated

 

[Chris de Jong]

 

[Carlos Martín]

Incident #15
Driver(s) Involved Michi Hoyer, Carlos Martin
Lap/Replay Time Race 2 Lap 2 1:33
Protest Description Carlos Martin passed by gaining advantage on going wide (leave track with all 4 wheels) - Didn't gave Positions back.
Verdict: Martin leave the track with 3 wheels, extending the track illegally and gaining an advantage. -0.50 PP for Martin.

2.9 A cut lap shouldn't bring an advantage or the same time as an average race lap without a cut. A cut
lap will be considered illegal if that lap is faster than 101.5% of the fastest clean lap of the stint the
cut happened in. If a cut is made during a pit-in or -outlap, that lap will automatically be considered
a cut lap, regardless of the laptime.

1) If driver has up to 10% illegal cut laps - no actions
2) If driver has more than 10% illegal cut laps - +30 sec race time penalty
3) If driver has more than 20% illegal cut laps - +60 sec race time penalty
4) If driver has more than 30% illegal cut laps - DQ

 

[Victor Ivanov]

I'm pretty sure that even if you have less than 10% cuts you can't overtake with a cut but that's just me...

 

[Carlos Martín]

I'm pretty sure that even if you have less than 10% cuts you can't overtake with a cut but that's just me...

The fact is that I was in front already and the director doesn't state I do an illegal overtake, just a cut.

 

[Kris Cobb]

So that was 1. I bet if I look I can find 3 more. +30 Seconds added to time. You choose Carlos.

 

[Chris de Jong]

Verdict: De Jong brakes too late, missing the apex, resulting in contact.
Should be:
Verdict: De Jong defends from being overtaken and leaves plenty of space on the track but valeriano steers into the corner as if de Jong is not there. so basicly if a driver is alongside you then you can basicly steer into that person and that person will get a penalty? i think your doing a good job on managing the admins decisions but these post race checks are sloppy at best in my opinion.

 

[Dian Kostadinov]

7.1 Any protests have to be made to the Ace Director through the Incident Submission form on the
GPCOS website http://gpcos.formula-simracing.net/protest-submission.php?protestopt=1
before 23:59 GMT on the Monday following the race. Incident reports can only be made by Team Representatives / Owners whose drivers have been involved in the incident in question, any reports originating from Team Representatives / Owners who are not involved in the incident will be rejected. The reports must contain a full explanation of the nature of the protest, including an accurate timestamp on the server replay. Be aware, that due to the time required to locate incidents, precise information is required to locate the incidents to be judged.

 

[Kris Cobb]

Verdict: De Jong brakes too late, missing the apex, resulting in contact.
Should be:
Verdict: De Jong defends from being overtaken and leaves plenty of space on the track but valeriano steers into the corner as if de Jong is not there. so basicly if a driver is alongside you then you can basicly steer into that person and that person will get a penalty? i think your doing a good job on managing the admins decisions but these post race checks are sloppy at best in my opinion.

Maybe ought to read the posts again. You are talking to 2 different people.

 

[John-Eric Saxén]

Verdict: De Jong brakes too late, missing the apex, resulting in contact.
Should be:
Verdict: De Jong defends from being overtaken and leaves plenty of space on the track but valeriano steers into the corner as if de Jong is not there. so basicly if a driver is alongside you then you can basicly steer into that person and that person will get a penalty? i think your doing a good job on managing the admins decisions but these post race checks are sloppy at best in my opinion.

Yep, if you divebomb and the other person steers in, then it's a penalty for you. This is what we learned from case De Wit (/sarcasm off). If there is no penalty for this, means you can divebomb as deep as you want into the corner and leave the other guy no right to steer in at all.

And yes, it was my penalty, not Kris'.

EDIT: Also worth noting that we have plenty of divebombs to that corner in FSR each year, I can find a full video archive about penalties given for that corner.

 

[Carlos Martín]

So that was 1. I bet if I look I can find 3 more. +30 Seconds added to time. You choose Carlos.

Thats not what you state, you state that I gained time cause cutting, you don't say that the overtake was illegal.

But as there is no protest you can't report it

 

[Chris de Jong]

Yep, if you divebomb and the other person steers in, then it's a penalty for you. This is what we learned from case De Wit (/sarcasm off). If there is no penalty for this, means you can divebomb as deep as you want into the corner and leave the other guy no right to steer in at all.

And yes, it was my penalty, not Kris'.

EDIT: Also worth noting that we have plenty of divebombs to that corner in FSR each year, I can find a full video archive about penalties given for that corner.

then maybe i have a different incident with him in mind because i wasnt talking about a divebomb hehe

 

[John-Eric Saxén]

Oh I was talking about Valeriano into hairpin, nvm then. This thread is why I stopped being director...