Race #11, Japan: Post-Race Checks

Joined
Apr 29, 2010
Messages
696
Check your actual status of warnings and safety rating of the season HERE.

Martin Gosbee (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

David Greco (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Ivar Kalamees (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Rob van Starkenburg (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Jim Parisis (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Jernej Simoncic (5.00) +0.50

Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Petar Brljak (4.00) -1.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: 1.00 Penalty Points for Incident #4

Antonio Kolarec (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Jack Keithley (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Peter Helmbro (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Eros Masciulli (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Blair Disley (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Patrik Holzmann (4.25) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Out of deadline
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: Disqualification for File submit infraction

Bono Huis (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Jiri Toman (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Dian Kostadinov (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Mike Partington (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Morgan Morand (5.00) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Borja Garcia (2.75) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Not received
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: Disqualification for no log

Alvaro Torres (2.25) +0.00

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Not received
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: Disqualification for no log

Dino Paolini (3.75) +0.50

Q1: Cut
Q2: N/A
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: Back of the grid in the next race for Q1 lap infraction

John-Eric Saxén (5.00) +0.35

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A

Patrick De Wit (2.50) +0.50

Q1: Cut
Q2: N/A
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: Back of the grid in the next race for Q1 lap infraction

Norbert Leitner (2.05) -2.00

Q1: Cut
Q2: Clean
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: Back of the grid in the next race for Q1 lap infraction, 2.00 Penalty Points for Incident #2

Luka Oslakovic (4.37) +0.50

Q1: Clean
Q2: N/A
Log: Clean
Launch Control: Used
Pitstop: Clean
Tire Rules: Fulfilled
Penalty: N/A


Incident #1
Driver(s) Involved: Luka Oslakovic, Eros Masciulli

Lap/Replay Time: Lap 1, 0:29

Review: Mascuilli moves to the left to avoid vehicles, while Oslakovic is stopping the car to not make contact with De Wit. Mascuilli was unable to avoid Oslakovic who was stopping in the middle of the track.

Video: youtu.be/KpcsQ61VyII

Verdict: No further action.

Incident #2
Driver(s) Involved: Norbert Leitner, John-Eric Saxen, Patrick de Wit, Blair Disley

Lap/Replay Time: Lap 1, 0:30

Review: Leitner has a poor start and Saxen is unable to avoid him, leading to a crash of multiple cars.

Chart 3 (Damage evaluation) and cell 11G has been used for this verdict.

Video: youtu.be/uWs0lzb7njE

Verdict: 2.00 Penalty Points for Norbert Leitner.

Incident #3
Team involved: Positive SimRacing

Description: Rule 17.4 (public accusation of cheating/corruption to other competitors while having no evidence)

"I would suggest David not to allow it, because that would support the FSR mistake of 6 drivers racing for PM and other 6 for Netrex."
http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/race-11-japan-post-race-discussion.94023/page-2#post-1828638

Verdict: No further action.

Incident #4
Driver(s) Involved: Jack Keithley, Petar Brljak

Lap/Replay Time: Q1, Jack's 6th Lap, Turn 1

Review: Brljak exits the pits while Keithley is starting his hotlap, Brljak attempts to get out of the way on the grass, but does it too late and crashes into Keithley, ruining his hotlap.

Video: youtu.be/cBpJKp70Iss

Verdict: 1.00 Penalty Points for Petar Brljak.
 
Joined
Feb 2, 2013
Messages
199
Team involved: Positive SimRacing

Description: Rule 17.4 (public accusation of cheating/corruption to other competitors while having no evidence)

"I would suggest David not to allow it, because that would support the FSR mistake of 6 drivers racing for PM and other 6 for Netrex."
http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/race-11-japan-post-race-discussion.94023/page-2#post-1828638

Verdict: No further action.

Dunno it's funnier the claim, or the part where it says "while having no evidence".
Meanwhile real competition&FSR dies...
 

Carlos Martín

1000RPM
Joined
Dec 13, 2012
Messages
1,012
@Adrian Rodriguez
So to put things into perspective

-You claim that other teams don't follow the rules. President and myself explained (english and spanish, so not possible to be lost in translation) to your team that Netrex, Eventa and FTS didn't breach any rule. Your team owner gladly accepted our explanation (and Christian's one) and accepted that he misjudged the rule. Some months later you come again saying that Netrex (and Precision) has 6 drivers. Not only that, you even used the word cheating. However you fail to prove that those teams are related teams as it is described in FSR rulebook.

-Coming back to partnerships between teams, which apparently are ilegal now for you, your team offered partnerships to at least 3 different WC teams if I'm not mistaken. To keep puting things into perspective.

Obviously it's much easier to complain on forums and/or ragequit.
 

Martin Hodás

100RPM
Joined
Jan 6, 2014
Messages
207
I saw your last attempt and there was cut in degner 2. Idk if it was your fastest lap...
 
Joined
Mar 5, 2010
Messages
443
Driver(s) Involved: Norbert Leitner, John-Eric Saxen, Patrick de Wit, Blair Disley

Lap/Replay Time: Lap 1, 0:30

Review: Leitner has a poor start and Saxen is unable to avoid him, leading to a crash of multiple cars.

Chart 3 (Damage evaluation) and cell 11G has been used for this verdict.

Video: youtu.be/uWs0lzb7njE

Verdict: 2.00 Penalty Points for Norbert Leitner.

Question for the Director: You always indicate the breached rules when you assign penalties, however you haven't done so this time. Considering you described the launch control procedure was followed, may I ask exactly on what basis is Norbert penalised? Exactly which rules were breached? That he had a poor start is obvious, but makes absolutely no sense as a justification for such a penalty.
 

Martin Hodás

100RPM
Joined
Jan 6, 2014
Messages
207
To be honest, after 2 caused wrecks on starts and one Red Flag he should be happy, that he got only 2 ridiculous penalty points and no proper penalty for last race.
In his situation, or his team, I would sitting quietly in corner without any word hoping, that people will forget it quickly...
 
Joined
Apr 29, 2010
Messages
696
I wrote the following in Incident #1 of Indianapolis: Post-Race checks
This is an official warning to vd Linden for a repeat incident and any similar scenario to this from any driver in the future will be severely punished.
Nevertheless I apologize since I said any driver would be severely punished and obviously with one race left the penalty has barely any impact.
 
Joined
Apr 29, 2010
Messages
696
Leitner gets a penalty because it's getting pretty common these short of weird starts when it's rather easy to use the launch control system. So after Indianapolis I decided to penalize these mass crashes.
 
Joined
Mar 5, 2010
Messages
443
So, basically, Leitner didn't breach any rules and didn't fail to comply with any procedure described in the rules, but he receives a very harsh penalty because drivers are having poor starts frequently. That's what you are saying?
 

danielino

100RPM
Joined
May 3, 2011
Messages
134
So, basically, Leitner didn't breach any rules and didn't fail to comply with any procedure described in the rules, but he receives a very harsh penalty because drivers are having poor starts frequently. That's what you are saying?
Causing a massive INCIDENT at the start is not against the rules in your opinion. That's what you are saying?
 
Joined
Apr 29, 2010
Messages
696
Leitner stalls the car a few seconds after using the launch control resulting with fatal consequences for the rest of the drivers that where behind him. With a proper use of the launch control system it's very unlikely to stall the car like that.

Regarding the rules sadly we don't have rules about every single scenario but that doesn't mean you can drive backwards because it's not written in the rulebook.

Also I don't think the penalty it's so harsh, we have more than 90% of the drivers with 5SR so 2pp it's not a big deal.
 

Martin Hodás

100RPM
Joined
Jan 6, 2014
Messages
207
So, basically, Leitner didn't breach any rules and didn't fail to comply with any procedure described in the rules, but he receives a very harsh penalty because drivers are having poor starts frequently. That's what you are saying?
After such a situation, every driver should show piece of self-reflection. Well, Norbert showed and apologized.
Sadly we cant tell the same about you.
 
Joined
Mar 5, 2010
Messages
443
@Martin Hodás I made a question to the Director, nobody asked for your opinion or moral lessons. Norbert made a mistake and apologised for it as his mistake affected other drivers. As a team, we encourage that kind of sportsmanlike behaviour. Unless you breach a rule, penalising a driver error, however, is a completely different thing which makes no sense.

Regarding driver errors, it would be good if the Director could make a clarification on how they are considered. FTS drivers were taken out in Silverstone and Hockenheim by drivers who made mistakes while overtaking and the Director took no action. When an FTS driver spun (Bahrain) or made a poor start, they received penalties or warnings. Since a risky overtaking move is obviously something the driver can take advantage of, as opposed to a making a bad start or spinning, which would give you no advantage, I fail to understand the logic behind those decisions.

@danielino You are currently a COA judge, correct?
 
Top