RACE 07 league

[Goran Durakovic]

Hello all.

im new here and i wana to know its any league for WTCC 2007 cars here and if is where i can join in that league?

tnx

im semi-pro driver for example i drive monza 07 2.02-2.03 and i dont wana to go in some ace league where all drive around 2.00

 

[Bram Hengeveld]

If you are a beginner do start with a BMW to learn some proper driving RWD training will give you driving skills you need in other classes. FWD absolutely not.

 

[Goran Durakovic]

so i do mestake ?

 

[Bram Hengeveld]

Not at all, everybody should drive what they like to drive. I just don't agree that newcomers should start in a FWD car, thats all

99% of the racing cars are RWD and by only driving FWD cars people are missing out on a hell of a lot more cool cars in this game (and other simulations).

 

[Goran Durakovic]

ok then im gona start to drive with BMW

 

[Ivan Boskovic]

Goran without a wheel, driving is not fun My time at best time at monza at quali at online race is 1:59,4 with Chavy Lacetti. But at offline time attack I can be faster.

 

[Goran Durakovic]

because of that now i have wheel and its same for me, time atack below 2.00 and in online racing quality im always around 2.01

 

[Szymon Olizarowicz]

I heard that when you play time attack your tire temperature is always at an optimal level. In other game modes you have to warm them up and make sure the temperature spread is correct. This is done automatically thus very good handling.

 

[Goran Durakovic]

yea i se that all sides are in good temperature and im try to drive BMW and its hell hard, im more on grass near corner then on track i dont know how to drive RWD cars

 

[Szymon Olizarowicz]

Practise, practise and practise. When I started playing with wheel I could not control any RWD car. Somehow it was much easier to control RWD using a pad. Now I got used to it and it's ok. If you are having problems with WTCC BMW then you can try Formula BMW first. In my opinion it's very easy to control although it drives like proper RWD car.

The problem I'm having is that no matter how hard I try I just can't do a lap below 2:04:xxx. I guess I will need to work a bit on my driving line but after watching other drivers I just can't see any major improvements I could make. Possibly it's the setup fault but I can't find any decent BMW setup for Monza and I'm crap at setting it myself.

 

[Goran Durakovic]

ok then im gonna setup for my self too BMW and do some practise for monza, if i go under 2.04 on time atack im gona give u mine setup and then u try

 

[Goran Durakovic]

i make just few moidifications from default setup of my BMW and i manage to drive below 2.04

here is my setup and timeatack, u can try it and se how going:
this setup is not finish yet, i need lots to do more on it but with this i manage to go under 2.04
http://www.easy-share.com/C012A712E35D11E09676002481FAD55A/durke%20monza%20bmw.zip
or
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/327082/durke-monza-bmw-zip.html
or
http://www.filefactory.com/file/cec58a1/n/durke_monza_bmw.zip

all are same

 

[Szymon Olizarowicz]

Thanks. I'll check it tonight. At the moment I'm reading "Speed Secrets" written by Ross Bentley. Helps to understand how to balance the car properly so if you can find this book it would probably help you out. Didn't really improve my times but helped to do consistent laps which is important too. Also helps to understand what physics are doing to tires and car body when you drive.

The other book, which I'll hopefully read at some point, is "Going faster" by Carl Lopez. It seems like many amateur racers and some simracers praise this book so I might give it a shot.

 

[Goran Durakovic]

im gona try find this books when come home from work

 

[Goran Durakovic]

im find some scaned PDF book "Speed Secrets" written by Ross Bentley and im start reading

 

[Kennett Ylitalo]

Compare these two videos:
Doubler (splitscreen): http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=T704nn2w38M&start1=0&video2=SJadtLjX6TQ&start2=0&authorName=CreamK

I had a huge problem at that time, no matter what i did i couldn't get any faster. I changed from pad to wheel a year ago and first lap times didn't improve, then started to get a lot better and then the progress suddenly just halted. The problem was racing line, not setups. The difference between decent and correct racing line is huge, about 3-4 seconds per lap! You can think that you're correct enough but enough is not racing lingo, you need to be absolute. I trained hard and got rid of that habits like turning too soon and no trailbraking. I was using the same line as i did with the pad. It's all resolved now and there's no need to deviate much from the default SimBin setup as they are very balanced. I can make a claim that more you have to change the setup, the more you have problems with driving.

I suggest the following to refine the racingline; you start braking a lot sooner and lighter than usual. Try to get maximum acceleration at corner exit. The focus should be on turn exits first, apex speed becomes very naturally in the same process. After a few laps the braking starts to automatically get later and much deeper to the corner until you release them just before apex and you put your foot to the floor much earlier. I found that by dealing with corners in that order, driving became easier and learning new tracks much faster. Use Time Attack for this training as you need the least amount of variables, just check from time to time in normal practice that you're not overdriving the tires.

 

[Chris Butcher]

Very little speed comes from setup, although balancing the car correctly can make it infinitely easier to drive, or to be consistent.

80% of the speed comes from the driver, IMO.

 

[Szymon Olizarowicz]

Like I said I hardly find anything wrong with my racing line. I watched replays of how people drive and really my line appears to be good. Obviously, not perfect and I keep working on it but I started simracing a month ago so I'm simply not accurate enough. I believe I will get more accurate with more time on track. The other problem is my cheap Thrustmaster Wheel, which doesn't even have ffb. With no ffb I don't know when I lose traction so I can't really drive at the traction limit. I feel that I often accelerate too slowly but with no ffb I can't say where I lose grip and where to push. Also trailbraking is often a pure suicide with this wheel though I do it when I can.

 

[Luka Boskovic]

yea i se that all sides are in good temperature and im try to drive BMW and its hell hard, im more on grass near corner then on track i dont know how to drive RWD cars

Try to slow down with down gears

 

[Szymon Olizarowicz]

I believe this isn't the way the car should be 'braking'. In some corners it totally ruines the balance.

 

[Goran Durakovic]

im read about 30 pages of "Speed Secrets" and try it on bmw + little more customatization and now i manage to drive few laps below 2.02