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Playseat Challenge

Discussion in 'Sim Racing Hardware' started by Bazooka_Joe, May 27, 2016.

  1. burrito

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    Hmm I'll look into some holding bolts. Thanks
     
  2. alexSchmurtz

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    I remember someone posting a picture: the pedals were screwed on a board that was fixed on top of the front tubes (with a cut for the small front tube, to stop the board at the front). Not sure how it was fixed on the tubes tho… And of course I cannot find the image now! Don't remember where it was… :O_o:
     
  3. Globespy

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    I think your answer is in your question. This product was unlikely ever intended to be used with anything other than a casual, consumer level wheel. Common sense would dictate the pressures involved in a load cell pedal would likely require a much more substantial mount - structurally integrated metal mounting plate like on say the Playseat evolution or higher - bolts/screws etc.
    The challenge isn't designed for the far greater pressures developed by a load cell pedal base - "Velcro straps" is the first clue.
    Perhaps you need some significant modification or perhaps just a better tool for the job? The evolution/revolution fold up nicely for storage - used to have one before I went down the OSW route. Of course despite its 'solid' metal construction, the evolution would have been at worst destroyed by the torques generated by a DD motor, at best it would have seen significant flex and shaking that would have created an undesirable experience. So just like you, I had to find a better tool for my job.
    Good luck!
     
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  4. burrito

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    Agree. But budget and time mean the investment was not appropriate.

    And just to be clear. The use of the load cell is not the issue. The load cell pushes onto the back holder which holds up fine.

    The issue is that when I fold it up, the pedal base slides down (i.e toward the seat) and because it's a load cell I have to make sure it is positioned correctly before I use the load cell as it may not be fine if it has shifted due to the lack of secure velcro fastening.

    TLDR My issue is it shifting when being packed away and not in use.
     
  5. Globespy

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    OK. So sounds like some macgyver'ing required with zip ties or the like....or just deal with the minor inconvenience of realigning when you use it? What kind of load cell are you using that's perfectly secure with a Velcro strap? I can feel my rig flex just a tiny bit when I stomp on my brake pedal and I'm working with 2" hardened carbon-steel frame!
    Good luck.
     
  6. burrito

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    A Ricmotech for G27 Brake Pedal. I don't really drive heel and toe cars so all the braking force is normally from my left foot (left foot braking always) so its pretty much all longitudinal. Yes it may **** by fractions of a mm side to side but it's minor.

    I ahould add that occasionally (when the seat is folded up) the velcro strap will shimmy down from the weight of the pedals to eventually let go and the pedals come crashing down. Which is my main concern.


    I guess I'll try some cable ties and a board underneath the base.
     
  7. nockel

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    I own a Playseat Challenge since two weeks now and it's fine with my G27.

    I want to buy an t300, but someone told me to buy csl elite pedals and later on fanatec wheel base.

    Can I run the configuration with Playseat Challenge?
     
  8. Bazooka_Joe

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    @nockel You should be fine - not sure if the wheel base can be bolted to that small 'table' on the seat, but I reckon you can use the standard clamp that comes with the wheel to attach it to the seat. Can't see any issues with the pedals at all.

    What would concern me is the much stronger FFB in T300 compared to G27, but I suppose it'll survive ;)
     
  9. alexSchmurtz

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    I have a T300 with a Playseat Challenge, it works great: there are corresponding holes, the bolts are included (with the seat I think), so it is really easy to fix the wheel base. Sometimes all the seat is vibrating with the ffb (F-Vintage in AMS…:rolleyes:), but that's not often and I find it more immersive! :D I got both at the end of Juy 2016, both are still going strong: so far the seat did not fell apart with the vibrations! :laugh: It is aging pretty well I would say, I'm really happy to have bought it.

    The Fanatec wheel is stronger, larger and heavier: it could work, I might have seen pictures of a Clubsport base on a Playseat Challenge but I'm not 100% sure…

    As I wrote above, pedals with a load cell should be fixed in a stronger manner imho… There is just a strap with a velcro on the seat, I don't think it will be strong enough to hold the pedals.
     
  10. Lars Rystedt

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    Just my opinion about the Playseat Challenge, I didnt read through all the posts:)
    I've had it for about 3 months now and I must say it's really comfortable, my G920 wheel sits firmly at the plate without issues.
    The only downside I at all can think of, it's low, really low. Sitting down is bit of a squatting(?) and getting up can be a bit of an adventure sometimes, I am a bit stiff in my bones :)
     
  11. nockel

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    Thx for replies. I will try to fix the pedals with adding cable stripes (hope it is the right word for it)

    Is it better to screw it on a wood plate?
     
  12. nockel

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    Is the challenge pre drilled for Fanatec CSL wheel base?
     
  13. aMiqqo

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    About storing the playseat. Do you guys think it would fit under a bed or something? What is the top height when the set is collapsed? I have a G27 and wheelstand right now but I really dont like it. The only good thing is that the wheelstand will fit under our bed when its not in use. I really dont have a good place to store it anyways and my girlfriend doesnt understand my hobby. And yes I dont want to change her, yet.. ;)
     
  14. Bazooka_Joe

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    I'll measure once back home but if you can fit the wheel rim under the bed then you should be able to hide the entire seat too. We're probably talking about 30cm clearance needed.

    There's one thing you should have in mind - black 'alcantara' style material used on the seat likes the dust and makes it VERY visible. You'll have to keep the space under your bed in pristine condition :)
     
  15. megaloneon

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    Anyone who owns this has a measurement of how long the back of the chair is to the back of the steering wheel? I think the dimensions included in the specs extends up to the pedals. I have a table in front of me and limited space on my back so I may have trouble in fitting the top of the setup. No problems for the pedals as I can just slip it under the table.
     
  16. Bazooka_Joe

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    This will depend on the armrest straps' setting. You can adjust the angle of the back (and front respectively) and unfortunately it'll be difficult to come up with a specific value for this measurement.
     
  17. Bazooka_Joe

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    @megaloneon I've just measured it and it's about 105cm (41in) from the back of the seat to the back of the shelf where the wheel is attached. I'm quite tall and I have armrest straps velcroed just behind fifth (last) mark.

    @aMiqqo With T300 (with 28cm rim) I've managed to fold it so it takes about 32cm (13in). So you'll need space of 32x55x125cm (13x22x49in) under your bed. Roughly.
     
  18. aMiqqo

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    Thank you!
     
  19. megaloneon

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    Thank you very much! This well help a lot in my decision to buy it.
     
  20. Manethrall1959

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    I have owned a Playseat Challenge for 13 months now, I find it ideal as i have to fold it away after use. I use a T300 which bolts to the wheel plate, I have also clamped the pedals to the frame (quite easy to do) using a steel plate attached to the pedals using threaded holes in the pedal base.