monza server

Noel Spence · Oct 28, 2011

there seems to be a server on the internet for monza , but i cannot join as i do not have the track, is monza here somewhere

Ivo Simons · Oct 28, 2011

Can be. But its illegal then.

Stefan Woudenberg · Oct 28, 2011

Same here Noel, saw it too and wanted to join but, as you, I don't have the track. I don't found it under downloads, so I will look around.

Noel Spence · Oct 28, 2011

hmmm must be dodgey

Ivo Simons · Oct 28, 2011

I am sure it is. You wont find the track here on RD as its illegal probably.

Stefan Woudenberg · Oct 28, 2011

But it would be cool though, a new international circuit

Patrick Giranthon · Oct 28, 2011

Ivo Simons said:
Can be. But its illegal then.

Why do you call this "illegal"?

Ivo Simons · Oct 28, 2011

Because it didnt come from Reiza or Alex.
And if i read it correctly it was illegal to convert tracks to GSC?
If i look at the Track name also in the server its called "Italian Grand Prix" its the same like its called in rFactor.
I doubt those guys asked permission from ISI to use the track and convert it.

Patrick Giranthon · Oct 28, 2011

I thought it was illegal to convert tracks FROM GSC...

I have tested it privately.
I think it is a rf conversion because :
- the track is flat, no bumps,
- the mapping is not ugly but not good at all...

But it is normal that players want to drive on famous circuits...

If it was legal, I think that some persons would run on it. Personnaly, I don't like this moddeling, especially mapping...

Alex Sawczuk · Oct 28, 2011

Conversions to GSC aren't illegal if permissions are sought and obtained. But just bog standard converting the majority of rFactor tracks is pointless imo as they'll just be rFactor clones with none of the benefits of decent track making standards. (My personal opinion)

Patrick Giranthon · Oct 28, 2011

And I agree!
Some of the very good points of GSC are the track modelisation and the new shaders and mapping.

So this Monza is useless...

A pity that alex has no more time now to convert some of his tracks. But we will have fun with the official ones for sure...:wink:

Ivo Simons · Oct 28, 2011

Alex Sawczuk said:
Conversions to GSC aren't illegal if permissions are sought and obtained. But just bog standard converting the majority of rFactor tracks is pointless imo as they'll just be rFactor clones with none of the benefits of decent track making standards. (My personal opinion)

Thats what i ment more also.

And i agree.

Kenneth Jurmann · Oct 28, 2011

Ah! Bin there done that huh? And I just wanted to start a thread about this misterious server... haha.

Will try the F_Reiza at Floripa now. That sounds like alot of fun to me.

Javier Bernedo · Oct 30, 2011

Alex Sawczuk said:
Conversions to GSC aren't illegal if permissions are sought and obtained. But just bog standard converting the majority of rFactor tracks is pointless imo as they'll just be rFactor clones with none of the benefits of decent track making standards. (My personal opinion)

For sure GSC tracks are great and better than 95% rfactor tracks, but there a few tracks I would love to drive in GSC: VLM Sebring, ORSM Bathurst, Carrera4 Spa 1988, VLN Nordschleife...

It is something special driving in those historical tracks.

Best simracing experience I have ever had:

Niels_at_home · Oct 30, 2011

Us simracers are spoilt aren't we? Hundreds of circuits for rFactor.... But how many of them are really good? Not too many. The number is even lower if you look at how many rely on unrealistic sine wave bumps. Driving GSC cars on non GSC tracks takes the 'life' out of the handling.

The desire for 'more' always happens and we can't stop it, so I'm personally going to worry too much about it. Perhaps for some the desire for more tracks is greater than the frustration of driving on the sine wave bumps.

Patrick Giranthon · Oct 30, 2011

Niels, I think that the thing drivers want is not "more and more tracks".
Drivers want more tracks FROM REiZA.
Tracks like Monza are useless,unless it is made by Alex.
With the F1, most of us dream about F1 tracks. Even if we have to pay for them. Only one new track every two months would be a great news.
Be sure that the gsc community has a normal reflex when it wants some F1 tracks of good quality...
If rf has only 5 wonderful tracks, I would not be shocked to see them adapted for gsc. This monza doesn't deserve it for sure...

Kenneth Jurmann · Oct 30, 2011

Eastern Creek, Norisring, Oran Park, FujiVLM (?)... those are the tracks that are not based on sine waves in rF if I remember correctly. And how many tracks are there in rF? With all the different updates. I bet it's over 1.000...

Thats why I'm thankful to have GSC. You never need to search for a track or a mod. It is like in the beginnings of gtr2. There had been huge pickup races online. Public servers had been full of players because it was all we had.

Good days.

Alex Sawczuk · Oct 30, 2011

Pretty certain all VLM tracks are sine wave based...

But yeah there's only a handful of tracks that are done correctly unfortunately.

Gills4life · Nov 2, 2011

I agree that GSC tracks are a class above almost all rFactor tracks and it would be a shame to see loads of poor quality tracks (in comparison with the brilliant Reiza ones) which bring down the quality of the product. However, there were a couple of LiDAR made tracks from Piddy, I think it was him, the guy who created Bobs Track Builder. They were excellent, could perhaps ask him for permission to use them?