Kunos have done amazing job with AC

[Tomi]

Just a few thoughts about AC now when Project Cars is out (cause I feel boring and have nothing better to do).

First of all, this isn't about which one is better. Everyone has their own opinions and preferences.

But Project Cars made me realize what amazing game Kunos have done. Sometimes we have been too harsh to Kunos and haven't realize what a master piece they have done with such a small team. Yes, there are things that need improvements a lot, but also those other sims need improvements as well. I just have noticed that many people have sometimes unfair expectations and demands about AC. Tiniest errors and mistakes regardin how cars behaves in real world vs game or how AC looks comparing real locations get a huge **** storm( not always but too often). I haven't noticed this kind of behaviour with other games, at least not so much.

Following comparison about these two games is only my own opinion. ( you never can't underline too much this in sim community)

After playing both of these games I realize AC has awesome Graphics and feel of reality when you drive. I really thought PC will win clearly on this aspect based on YouTube videos. But no, there is something that's not right. It looks gameish, not so clear and crisp I thought. Especially when you look in to the distance. Scaling the environment is another thing. World dimensions feels more real in AC to me. Though PC has more alive environment, with all those spectators, flags, helicopters, leafs and so on. And this is only in my Computer, I don't care if it looks different in some high end pc cause I don't have one

Comparing FFB is pointless because there is as many opinions as there is sim racers. It's propably a draw. About user interface and all the setting I say only this: Less is more

It could be that I'm just so used to AC and it need some time to feel comfortable in PC. I just really hope these both games have great future here in Racedepartment ,and not so that everybody plays only one of those.
Maybe I afraid just a little bit my competitiveness if most of the people moves to PC. I'm pretty good at the moment in AC and my fear is that in PC you can find a way to be unrealistically fast. In AC It's all about how good driver you are, not how well you can exploit game physics.

Ps. I don't know if I should have write this in a existing thread so feel free to move it if necessary.

 

[Lorenzo Bonder]

And this is for you

New racing sim from Finland, it comes with original Rally english

http://www.gamereactor.fi/pelitietokanta/52224/My+Summer+Car/

Just enjoy! Shake AC!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj5vTrjwkIE

In our master's words

 

[Diogo Ramalho]

Off topic: The atitude of @Kimmo Kokkonen is very strange. I kind of see him as Andy Kaufman of simracing! If its his intention than he is doing a great representation! I wont block him because I wanna see how its going to finish!

On Topic: why are we having a discution about THE BEST SIMRACING GAME? There isn't a BEST SIM but there is the one that fits you better! And thats it, no need to have a pointless discution. People must understand how bad this type of discution is to our hobby. We should help newcomers in simracing not leaving them confuse and tell them that they should chose just one and joining his army of defs.... Developers need our help and our constructive criticism. What I have seen recently is a lesson not learned by simracers. If you dont like a SIM, leave your constructive feedback and leave it alone. Stop bashing the sims you dont feel confortable with.... You are destroing your hobby and make the life of people that makes this all possible very dificult.

 

[Greg Latty]

I never understood this " x sim is better than y sim" argument. I have them all and I like them all for different reasons. Im glad i have such a wide variety of sims to choose from.

 

[xnorb]

Is it just me or bloomed pCars a rather hostile community?
(Not offending all the pCars racers, but i noticed an increase in people overaggressively defending and/or praising pCars)

A racing sim is a sim, meaning it simulates something as best as it can.
We all know that's far from reality and so we're left with what we think is authentic.
(How many of us have driven an F3 car at 200km/h or competed in a GT3 race and can say what it's really like?)

Just be happy that we have a nice diversity in sims to pick and that even the old classics like Race07 or GTR2 are still visually enjoyable.
You love pCars or AC or GSCE or rF2?
Promote it, point out it's strengths, but don't tell others what they should believe or think and for the sake of this community, stay respectful and polite.

 

[Kimmo Kokkonen]

A racing sim is a sim, meaning it simulates something as best as it can.

Just be happy that we have a nice diversity in sims to pick and that even the old classics like Race07 or GTR2 are still visually enjoyable.
You love pCars or AC or GSCE or rF2?
Promote it, point out it's strengths, but don't tell others what they should believe or think and for the sake of this community, stay respectful and polite.

I agree, and if AC is just like a real racing simulator and simulates a real word so then I can't understand how in hell someones can spend their whole life with slipin and sliding like that without any good grip LOL oke.

 

[Andy_J]

I agree, and if AC is just like a real racing simulator and simulates a real word so then I can't understand how in hell someones can spend their whole life with slipin and sliding like that without any good grip LOL oke.

Perhaps you are just not very good at handling powerful race cars Kimmo? Too much throttle, not enough thinking and feeling maybe?
You'll get better old chap. As they say, practice makes perfect.

 

[xnorb]

I really don't know what Kimmo is doing wrong in AC.
I can't say that i have no grip in AC or that i would have more grip in Race07, GTR2 or GSCE...

 

[Andy_J]

I really don't know what Kimmo is doing wrong in AC.

Perhaps he drives with the keyboard?

 

[Kimmo Kokkonen]

I really don't know what Kimmo is doing wrong in AC.

Me neither, I just don't know why AC is the worst sim ever, I would like to like it as bought it and spend some euros but no, I just can't start like it. Must say that R3E is not much better, only online LeaderBoard is fun feature but the cars still sucks , both feels so weird if comparing to sims I really like.
1. GTR Evolution (poor graphics but great sim, the best ever)
2. PCARS absolutely great combination great sim and perfect graphics, looks good feels good. It's not so consistent what comes to quality but there's so much good and I like it a lot since yesterday I installed my copy. Very good competitor for GTR Evolution...can be even better...
3. GTR / GTR 2 / GTL (modern simracing started with these sims, there was also rF but I never didn't like but some of us did, that's life, we are different people).

My list continues with rF and rF2, Grand Prix Legends and Nascar...AC is not even near of these, same words I can give for iRacing, it was not for me...kind of artificial unnatural feel...these 2 sims works better for perfect nerds, maybe??? Not for me...

 

[Kimmo Kokkonen]

Perhaps you are just not very good at handling powerful race cars Kimmo? Too much throttle, not enough thinking and feeling maybe?
You'll get better old chap. As they say, practice makes perfect.

But I'm the best already so...

 

[Diogo Ramalho]

Perfect nerds.... Lolol

 

[Andy_J]

.these 2 sims works better for perfect nerds, maybe??? Not for me...

Hey who are you calling "perfect nerds" ? I'll have you know I'm an imperfect nerd thank you very much.

 

[xnorb]

Let me tell you about my GT2004 race on Spa this weekend in GTR2:

I exit pits, accelerate on the strip leading to the track.
Apply a little too much throttle, car's back spins around, i crash into the wall and my car burns.

I'm far from a perfect nerd - maybe that's also the reason why i can't see such a huge difference between AC and GTR2?

 

[Requiem84]

Me neither, I just don't know why AC is the worst sim ever, I would like to like it as bought it and spend some euros but no, I just can't start like it. Must say that R3E is not much better, only online LeaderBoard is fun feature but the cars still sucks , both feels so weird if comparing to sims I really like.
1. GTR Evolution (poor graphics but great sim, the best ever)
2. PCARS absolutely great combination great sim and perfect graphics, looks good feels good. It's not so consistent what comes to quality but there's so much good and I like it a lot since yesterday I installed my copy. Very good competitor for GTR Evolution...can be even better...
3. GTR / GTR 2 / GTL (modern simracing started with these sims, there was also rF but I never didn't like but some of us did, that's life, we are different people).

My list continues with rF and rF2, Grand Prix Legends and Nascar...AC is not even near of these, same words I can give for iRacing, it was not for me...kind of artificial unnatural feel...these 2 sims works better for perfect nerds, maybe??? Not for me...

Lol!!! Yiu think AC is 'too slippery' and yet you like Grand Prix Legends?

That is the reason they have the phrase 'contradictio in terminis'. Seriously, strange.

 

[dcully]

After putting a serious amount of hours into Pcars since release i went back to AC and wow, comparing a GT3 car at silverstone for example,no comparison ,Pcars has shown to me again how amazing AC physics are.
Still enjoying pcars though,has some major issues but enjoyabl all the same.

 

[Jempy]

When AC has more racing ambiance and more improvements for gameplay, less mouse use ( more possibilities of assigning buttons on wheel ), better server settings possibilities, real good penalties and corrected some strange things ... it'll become the real N°1.

I searched Kunos devs team and their personal work parts on the Web and couln't find anything perfectly speaking.
Perfect 3D designers and graphics experts .... but, in my point of view, they seem to miss a perfect fulltime informatician specialist. .... too many strange or missing points for a real race simulation ( I say Race ... cos' it's more or too much hotlap thought ).

MP for a league, for example, without the modders's work would really be a .... nightmare.
Thanks Neys and Wally ... you really saved us at that point of view, you did and still do a superb job with what Kunos gives you. ( Ptracker, Stracker, ACLog Parser and Pitlane Penalty ).
That's the chance we have with AC: mod friendly and many interested modders for AC: a prove, in my thoughts, that AC will last longer and will grow in the future ... if Kunos does what he has to do in that point of view.

Please, Kunos .... new cars and new tracks may come later ... work more on gameplay and server side ... it will pay for the future.

 

[Radu Oros]

Please, Kunos .... new cars and new tracks may come later ... work more on gameplay and server side ... it will pay for the future.

They can develop new content and also work at game features and improvements. If they stop working on cars, they'll lose the pace. To back it up, currently they are working on MP improvements and also on content for the bonus pack.

 

[Kimmo Kokkonen]

Lol!!! Yiu think AC is 'too slippery' and yet you like Grand Prix Legends?
That is the reason they have the phrase 'contradictio in terminis'. Seriously, strange.

It's not that black & white, note that Grand Prix Legends was the first 'real' simulator, released 17 years ago, I still like it but not driven so often, that's the most difficult sim in market, still. But it's very good for practising car handling and reaction time, it takes months to learn to drive those monsters. Did you noticed that Pcars include one of those GPL cars, it's still difficult to drive with Pcars but realistic LOL
If you wanna test Pcars vehicles so I recommend following cars...
- Audi R18 TDI (Super)
- RWD P20 LMP 2 (Good)
- Ariel Atom 500 V8 (Excellent)
- Lotus 98T Renault Turbo (Awesome)
- Ford Mustang Cobra TransAm (Wicked)

Dont' even try
- Ford Focus RS (don't ask why)

 

[xnorb]

So i did the experiment.
BMW M3 GTR in GTR2 vs. BMW M3 GT2 in Assetto Corsa on Imola.

I couldn't record it as for some reason GTR2 doesn't like DxTory, so words have to do

Ignoring the facts that cars and track are not identical, i think there are 2 major differences:
a) In AC you seem to have way more power under the hood and throttle needs to be applied more carefully than in GTR2.
b) I don't know if/how tire temperature is simulated in GTR2, but if it is, then tires are builing up temperature and grip way faster in GTR2 than in Assetto Corsa.

Now here's the thing:
I used standard configs for both runs and my G27 was set to 470° without changing anything.
Someone competent with setting up the car could maybe have made the differences less noticeable?

In the end, it's only about what you enjoy and what you see as authentic enough to immerse you enough to have a blast driving. May it be Grid, NFS, GSCE, iRacing, AC, pCars, Race07, R3E or any other racing game/sim out there.
Absolutely no point to turn a game into a religion or an arch enemy

 

[blackcelica]

Oke, pCARS installed, first laps done!!! After the wheel calibrated and game settings done I did few laps on Nordschleife with Ariel Atom 500 V8.

Cannot find anything Arcade from this sim, it feels like a real car, just like GTR Evolution but this is much better with awesome graphics. The track, IT LOOKS SO REAL AND IT FEELS THAT YOU ARE ON THE REAL NORDS, SO AWESOME DETAILS AND GRAPHICS!!! THIS IS THE FIRST TIME ANY SIMULATOR OFFERS THIS FEELINGS!!! Simbin's GTR was the first good sim and was awesome 10 years ago, but it was still arcade, GTR2 was the first good simulator, then GTR Evolution was the best ever all over the years before this project CARS!!! IT'S LIKE A DRIVING A REAL CAR!!!

project CARS starts the new ERA of Simracing history, thank you so much...after this I dont ever touch AC again, ever!!! I will check how AC Nords look after this but that's all...forget AC, project CARS is here!!!

Note!! be patient with settings and with wheel calibration, the price is huge after all is done!!!

I agree, after a few days of getting PCars settings correct and giving it my time without bias or direct comparison to AC, I to find project cars experience very rewarding. Dubai international circuit in the caterham with weather set to overcast then into storm with the helmet cam view is absolutely amazing. People slagging pcars off either can't run it on max settings or have dismissed it too quickly. You really need to give it some time and delve into the settings to get the correct feel from it. AC for me is also on hold until next major overhaul.