INCIDENT INVESTIGATION THREADS - Read ALL!

[David Garcia]

Hello guys,

this is what rules & regulations says about the incident reporting. In BOLD BLACK the important parts, and in BOLD RED what I have modified some seconds ago:

Incident Reports (WAR)

Incident reports will be discussed in its own forum, using the exclusive STC WAR system.

The team spokesman of the involved teams will make a post explaining what happened and how. Then, Race Direction will make a poll with 7 options to choose and all the teams spokesmen will vote to decide what result the incident will have. The most voted option will be the applied penalty. In the case of a draw Race Direction will make the extra vote to decide.

Post your incident report in Team´s Corner section in main site. The report can only be posted Friday or Saturday after race day. Please always state the exact date on the replay file and post your request in forum with a video. If you can´t make a video you can always find help for that in the WAR forum.

Investigation POLL will be closed tuesday after the weekend.

It is very important to have a compromise from team spokesman, to be serious, fair, and vote in all the incidents. Voting will be from Sunday to Tuesday. An explanation about why is required, and no harsh or unrespectfull lenguaje will be tolerated.

A team spokesman with 2 missed polls will lose his right to vote automatically, and it will not be recovered until next seasson starts.

Ok, so it takes us to next: There are 3 incident investigations opened in the WAR Forum and at the moment only 5 votes are casted on 2 of them, and 1 in the last one, wich is ridiculous. IF you want to keep on deciding on the incidents and using the WAR forum you should vote now.

Team Spokesman can work diferent ways, as some represent the teams without need of asking his team members, and some needs to share and comment on his team forum. Any case poll will close tuesday after the weekend, and a decision has to be done.

Now I expect all the team spoeskam takes good note of it.

Thank you,
David

 

[Neil Gault]

Ok, so it takes us to next: There are 3 incident investigations opened in the WAR Forum and at the moment only 5 votes are casted on 2 of them, and 1 in the last one, wich is ridiculous. IF you want to keep on deciding on the incidents and using the WAR forum you should vote now.

Thank you,
David

Not sure how the other teams work but myself it was only last night that i posted the same polls within the bvm forum and i usually give them 2 days to vote so once the votes are in there then i will post our vote.

 

[David Garcia]

That´s fine with me Neil. Each Team Spokesman can decide how to do it, but always remember polls will get closed on first Tuesday after the race.

 

[Simon Melhuish]

Personally i don't like the current system, as you have seen so far people just stick up for each other rather than voting on the actual incident. (It's getting like the Eurovision Song Contest where people give votes in return for oil or not going to war lol). But i guess im just use to how we operate in real life racing where you have stewards who give out the the penalties and then teams can accept it or appeal. The STC system in real life would turn into a war

 

[David Garcia]

So you are basically saying you prefeere a dictatorial sentence wether is right or wrong, than a team decision wich means 90% of the time will be fair. Sorry, can´t understand it.

I am a kart racer in real life and I have never been happy with the marshalls.

 

[Simon Melhuish]

Its not always fair, look at Le Mans. For a example - We got a pen for spinning out a car and in another incident someone looses a rear wing and has to pit to fix the damage but the car that caused it gets the same points pen as us. And just to point out I'm not moaning about the fact we got a pen but if we got voted for 60 secs then surely a car that gets major damage from contact with another car should get a harsher pen?

 

[Xosé Estrada]

The problem with the real life comparision is you have a group of professional stewards, thing you don't have in simracen, and further than that, you never have totally neutral stewards for hard they try.

There are examples of this functioning in real life, such as FOTA and F1 Drivers Association, not involved in penalties but in rules for instance.

The WAR system worked very good until now, the only things team have to do is vote and explain the vote honestly. If you make it be like Eurovision is because you want it to be, same as FSR is in other things different than penalties, with big teams pushing certain rules in their benefit, etc.

This will never be as Eurovision as long as the majority of teams continue being honest with their voting, all the "revenge", "anger" or "weird" votes will have no effect if they are 1 or 2 from 12.

Cya!.

 

[Xosé Estrada]

but if we got voted for 60 secs then surely a car that gets major damage from contact with another car should get a harsher pen?

There are different oppinons about this

If you want to know my personal one, no.

In my oppinion, if you make a bad move and spin a car, you get the penalty for that, no matter if there was a big runout and the other car had no damage or if it was Monaco and the other car went into a wall and explode. That depends on luck, and I don't think we should judge luck. A racing incident not deserving penalty can make another car to abandon the race, and one deserving penalty can have no damage in the other car.

But that's my personal oppinion.

 

[David Garcia]

Bump!

GUYS there have been an incident report and only 6 votes. That could be the case of a poll deciding the tittle and only have of the guys voting. Please, TKAE CARE of it, IT IS IMPORTANT.

Missed POLL HERE