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HP VR Headset - My huge review

Discussion in 'Sim Racing Hardware' started by Flibbberflops, Nov 30, 2017.

  1. Flibbberflops

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    Hopefully this will be a comprehensive review of the HP Windows mixed reality headset from the point of view of a long-term PC VR “Simmer”. I only briefly touch upon the controllers as the main focus of this review is the headset itself for PC simulation.

    Who the hell am I?

    I am a PC simmer who mixes their time between Driving in Assetto Corsa, Flying in P3D (v4 with all the Orbx trimmings) and Elite Dangerous. I have been using the Oculus Rift CV1 since it first came out and I had the DK2 for some time before that. I have never touched a Vive, so during this review I can only directly reference the Rift for comparison purposes.

    Why did I choose the HP WMR?

    I choose the HP WMR simply because I live in the UK and it was the cheapest (£299) WMR I could get from Amazon (easy to return if needed). After living with my rift for 18 months I am more than ready for a step up in image resolution, therefore I really liked the sound of the better resolution in the HP WMR. I ordered it on the basis that I was really hoping that it would be the step up I was looking for.

    The Physical Headset

    For those who are not familiar with the HP WMR headset, it is the one that makes you look like Robocop. I was quite surprised with the quality of the design, it is basically an oval loop that has good quality “sweat proof” type padding both at the front for your forehead and at the back of your head. Also at the back there is a well-made adjustment wheel for adjusting tightness. When you put it on the compression between your forehead and back head holds it in place. You can dial it as tight as you want. I found it quite comfy and I found you didn’t have to tighten it that much to keep it held in place. Rating = GOOD

    The headset section is attached to this head loop with a pivot, so you can flip it up out the way when not in use. When the headset is fitted correctly it flips down and rests nicely against your face. I noticed that the only light leak was around the nose… very much like the Rift. Rating = GOOD. It was strange and both nice to me to have a VR headset over my face but not putting any pressure on it like the rift… no more oval “rift face”. I really liked that. Rating = VERY GOOD. However, it should be noted that if you adjust the headset strap further down the back of your head (like the rift) it causes light leak under your eyes because the front section is angled away from your face. Therefore, the back of the headset must sit higher up the back of your head (on the bumpy bit). It wasn’t uncomfortable but felt a little unnatural (perhaps it because I am used to the rift sitting lower down?). However, the point I am trying to make is it is light leak is comparable to the rift if you seat it correctly (obviously face shape is a variable here). Sealing the light around your face is foam, nice quality foam but foam all the same. The points where the headset is held on your head is much higher quality padding, therefore the foam around your face is literally there to prevent light leak. Over all if you intend to dance around in the headset you could potentially run into trouble but for a PC simmer the system works well and is comfy. Weight is also fine, it didn’t really feel any different to wearing a rift. Rating = FINE

    There are no headphones built into this headset but there is a standard headphone Jack plug in a strange (but very accessible) place at the front of the headset. The oval HEADSTRAP that holds the headset in place is wafer thin as it goes past your ears therefore there is nothing that would inhibit headphones and you could quite simply use any headphones on top of this WMR without issue. To be honest it is more of a chore over the rift using separate headphones but on the plus side you can use and high-quality headphones of choice (wired or wireless) Rating = NOT IDEAL BUT NOT A SHOWSTOPPER

    The only thing I didn’t like about the physical headset was the cable. Its thick and much less flexible than the rift (but comparable length). It clips to the side of the headset and has a break connector at the headset end (which is good). Unfortunately, the cable itself is thicker and far more rigid than the rift. Also, the fact that it starts to hang down from the headset at a point mid-way between your eye and ear is also an annoyance, I found it difficult to keep it away from my body. Rating = NOT GOOD/ANNOYING

    Overall, despite the slight cable annoyance I was very pleased with the physical design and had all my fingers crossed that it would perform well virtually when I fired it up.



    The Software setup

    Initial setup was a breeze. My Desktop was already updated to the “Fall” version of Windows 10 so when I plugged the headset into my PC (one USB and one HDMI) it was recognised immediately, did a quick headset update and then let me skip the controller setup and gave me the option to use a mouse instead. (Note, if you do use the controllers you will need a Bluetooth adapter which is NOT supplied). Before long I was in the VR “Cliff house” and the headset was working. I must confess I had no interest in roaming the cliff house but at least I was now up and running. Rating=EASY

    Next task was to get Steam VR working. (Not so easy). I was messing around for ages with no success at all until I realised that you need to install the Steam VR update for WMR (which is found on steam in the store) before it will work. I found it slightly strange that Steam VR does not auto update or give you any indication you need to update. Anyway, after some major hair pulling moments I eventually got it working. Rating = NOT OBVIOUS

    P3D (native) was my first target. It’s not steam VR but I thought it might pick up OPENVR protocol. It doesn’t and try as I might I couldn’t get it to work. Sadly, I never actually used the WMR on a flight sim, however I was able to get a good judgement from the driving sim below.

    Onto Assetto Corsa. To get this working you need to start up AC and choose “OPENVR” from the display menu. AGAIN, NOT OBVIOUS. This was made even more difficult for me as I didn’t have the “OpenVR” option displayed in that menu (despite having the latest version of AC installed???). After more messing around I found that “Content manager” (the alternate launcher for AC) did have the OPENVR option… and that worked. Finally, I am in a game that I know like the back of my hand so I can compare with the rift.


    Head Tracking

    Simple one this. 100% as good as a rift. True I didn’t dance around the room, but from a seated position there were absolutely no issues. Rating=PERFECT


    The flip up headset

    When I first got the headset, I thought that the flip up headset was a really neat idea and a great improvement over the rift. However, when I started using the two products side by side I quickly realised that the flip up headset wasn’t really that different to the rift “slide the headset onto your fore head” move. Both solutions are still hanging there slightly in your way so I must say that the WMR solution isn’t as big a deal as I first thought it would be. It certainly has made me downgrade the importance of a flip up function on future headsets. Rating=COMPARIBLE


    Resolution

    Definitely better on the WMR. However, when you compare side by side with a Rift you will struggle to praise the WMR that much. The biggest difference between the two for me was the fact that the WMR almost eliminated jagged lines. I was running both the rift and WMR on super sample 2.0. Don’t get me wrong the rift quality didn’t have many jagged lines (mainly where kerb meets grass) but where they did the WMR resolution virtually removed all traces. It was almost like the difference between Anti-Aliasing on and off. When you sat stationary at studied objects at long distances the WMR was slightly better… but really you had to study hard to notice the difference, it wasn’t night and day different at all. Strangely close up dashboard writing was really hard to notice any difference. It was very disappointing. Rating=VERY LITTLE IMPROVEMENT ON THE RIFT


    Field of view

    This is a little odd. The WMR headset gives you a view that seems circular, almost as if you are looking through a tube. The rift gives you a view that is just like the Oculus oval logo. That’s not to say the WMR is worse… just different. At first, I thought perhaps the WMR gives you more vertical view, however side by side comparisons weren’t conclusive. Nor were horizontal FOV comparisons. From my experience of VR headsets, I know that the FOV is greater if your eyes are close to the lenses. The rift is held on to your head by strapping the headset tightly to your face, hence your eyes are closer to the lenses. You can get more FOV if you reduce the face foam thickness. Hence this explains why there are wildly historical different opinions on FOV. On the WMR headset the headset is not strapped tightly to your face so FOV is slightly narrower. However, if you push the headset towards your face it does increase the FOV to rift levels. So technically I think they are virtually the same FOV, however practically unless you do some kind of modding you will get slightly less FOV on the WMR. However, it is only slightly less and although you might think of this as an issue, it pails into insignificance when I get onto the lenses later on in the review. Rating=COMPARIBLE



    God Rays

    Definitely much better than the rift. I must confess I haven’t spent much time with the dreaded white on black but the bits I have I really didn’t really notice any. However please note I have live with God rays for so long that I am not very sensitive to them anymore. Rating=MUCH BETTER

    Screen Door Effect

    Quick one this. It’s no better or worse than the rift, it’s just different type of screen door. Again, I am so used to the screen door effect that I don’t notice on the rift and I didn’t notice on the WMR (I had to specifically look). Maybe you could argue its slightly better on the WMR but it won’t please SDE Nazi’s. Rating=COMPARIBLE

    Lenses Focus

    This is where it started to go all wrong. The lenses on the WMR are much like the Oculus DK2 in that you have to get the headset in a more defined sweet spot to get good focus. Although this is a slight inconvenience it isn’t really an issue because finding that sweet spot is quite easy. However unfortunately when you do get that sweet spot you will find that although the centre of the lenses is spot on focus, you will find the out edges are not… and right on the edge of the lenses it is VERY out of focus. In practice, this means you cannot just glance at the extremes of the screen because it is out of focus. If you want an “in focus” view have to move your head instead of your eyes. In a swipe this destroys all the benefits of the slight increase of resolution. I found myself constantly glancing down at my speed while driving only to be greeted by a full on “Mr Magoo” experience. To be honest I was devastated. Given the choice of this issue or mega godrays, I would choose the godrays every time. Rating=FOR ME A SHOWSTOPPER

    Screen Colours

    Unfortunately, it doesn’t get any better. I guess this next issue is a result of the use of LCD screens in the WMR. However, something is really dull with the colours. The default track I use was at Monza, at midday, in bright sunshine. The sun is bright in the sky, reflections are glinting off the car paintwork, everything is bright and sunny. Well… it is on the rift. The WMR is something else. I have absolutely no idea how they managed it but the exact same situation on the WMR looks like grey overcast dreary day. It’s not the brightness but the colours that seem to be at fault.. The WMR is hugely lower that the rift colours. Now I suspect this could be a fault of the “OpenVR” (as the windows cliffhouse seemed quite bright and vibrant) however all the steam VR menus are the same dull experience (so it wasn’t just the game) I just don’t know why it is so dull but compared to the rift it looks bad.? Rating=NOT GOOD



    A quick point about the controllers

    I only took the controllers out the box to hold (never used them). Many other reviews have comprehensively reviewed these so there is little need to repeat. However, from my quick hold of them I can tell you that they seemed like a low-quality bastard child of Vive and Rift. The handle is very rift like (with a trigger and a side button). The thumb controls are a bit rift like thumbstick and a Vive direction pad. Overall the plastics and movements are cheap and nowhere near the quality of the rift touch controller. It’s very much like that time you asked your mom for an extra Playstation controller for Xmas and instead of buying you the official Sony product, she got the cheap copy! Overall the design and ergonomics seem good, but the quality is below par. Rating=OK



    Final Thoughts

    When I purchased the WMR my intent was to use the full extent of the Amazon return period to fully assess the potential of the product. However, as I compared the WMR directly against the Rift (for a fair period of time) I suddenly realised that I had somehow got engrossed in a multi lap session… on the rift. It was at that point I realised that I had no interest in going back to the WMR again. As disappointing as it was, the overall WMR experience was in some respects not much better than the rift and in others far, far worse. To my surprise, as I head to bed tonight I have already concluded that not only do I much prefer the optics of the rift but I have no interest in keeping the WMR a day longer. This is a shame because I quite like the Robocop design and the inside out tracking I wanted so much for this headset to succeeded the rift. Final Rating=The rift is still far better overall


    Lessons Learned

    A Flip up headset is not as useful as I thought it would be
    I find the headband setup just as good as the rift strap configuration
    I much prefer built in headphones
    Inside out tracking is brilliant for headsets… hopefully this will be the future
    Screen resolution increase has to be substantial to make a difference
    Lens design can make a huge difference to overall experience
     
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  2. museumsteve

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    Thanks for taking the time doing a comprehensive review. By the time I was halfway down your review I was ready to buy one just for racing but then it all went wrong, so I'll stick with CV1.
    Good job :)
     
  3. Jeremy Ford

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    That's a great review. You've answered all the questions I had. I was wondering if it would be worth grabbing one for sim racing over my Vive. Clearly not worth it as their screens are pretty much on point to both the Rift and Vive. With the exception of the Samsung hmd that isn't being sold in Europe. Thanks for the post Flibberflops, top job.
     
  4. Robert Bachmayer

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    Thanks for this, I was also hoping this might be an upgrade to the cv1, which I sold after a week due to weak graphics, but looks like not, will stick to Nvidia 3d vision 2 a little longer.
     
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    Thanks for this very helpful. I am currently using a Vive, mainly to save on the space of having a triple screen set up, but also because now that I have tasted that immersion I don't know if I can go back!

    The screen door effect does pain me though, its a real shame. The way I describe VR for sim racing to people is that is huge amounts of fun, but not competitive.

    Do people know when we might expect new headsets with better resolution/reduced SDE?
     
  6. Jeremy Ford

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    The Pimax 5k and 8k headsets are coming early next year. Though when you factor in more pixels so does the need for more powerful graphics cards so even the most powerful gaming PC's of today just aren't ready for such a jump for sim racing.
     
  7. Flibbberflops

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    Although partly correct, thats not exactly the full picture.

    Apart from development rumors, the only confirmed high end VR headsets confirmed for 2018 (but have no set in stone release dates) are the new VR headsets from Pimax (China-R-Us).

    The headsets are...

    The Pimax 5k, 8k and the Pimax 8KX

    Immediately I would forget the Pimax 5K (poor screen).

    The Pimax 8K will have two 4K screens. However, the games will not run at 4K, they will run at 2560×1440 and the headset will upscale to 4K. This means that if you are already running a Rift/Vive with a super sample of 1.7 - 20 then you are already running your games at the required resolution for the Pimak 8K

    Later on they are supposedly bringing out the 8Kx which will run at true 4K x two. This will indeed bring PC power into question. Details are vague at the moment, they are trying to do some clever tricks to reduce render loads.

    A big note to simmers is that all of these Pimax headset will have superwide FOV, which you all want. However, I would be wary.... Wide FOV is more likely to cause VR sickness.

    Other than that the only other VR options atm are...

    A) The Samsung Windows WMR (Which has a slightly better resolution than the headset reviewed here... but not much)

    B) Pimax have a 4k headset (2k per eye) that you can buy ate the moment... but it has no proper headtracking (there are DIY solutions but its not ideal)


    Oculus & HTC are very quite about the next generation headsets. They both seem to be concentrating on current gen and cheap mobile headsets
     
  8. Richard Hessels

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    Ojk thais review took away any hopes i had as a small upgrade for the VR platform. Thanks, saved me some money.
     
  9. Eddie Ellis

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    Has anybody tried the Odyssey yet?
    I think it's based on Amoled screens like a phone.
     
  10. Flibbberflops

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    Sadly I haven't tried the Samsung purely because it is not availible in Europe.

    However, You are right, the Samsung is a Amoled screen (as per the rift/vive) so in theory they should be just as bright and colourful. The Samsung (1400x1600) is slightly higher resolution than the HP (1400 x 1400), so again I would not imagine a big enough increase to warrant a upgrade from the current gen.

    Assuming the lens on the Samsung is as good as the Rift/Vive (and you are not interested in the motion controls) then I would imagine that it would boil down to the question... would you want to pay $150 more (over a new Rift) for the slight increase in resolution and inside out tracking?
     
  11. Motowntom

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    I have the Samsung and run it w/AC, the headset is awesome but the steamvr+windows software/drivers need more work from both companys. When it works right it is a game changer.....so hoping for improvement soon, my league starts back up mid Jan. and I can't see myself going back to a flat monitor, it feels like gaming in the 80's.
    Cheers
     
  12. demetri

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    Got myself a Lenovo headset and it suffers from the same focus issues the OP described. I can't believe how they could develop a product which is so bad in this very important area. My cheap mobile headset with plain plastic lenses has better focus that this thing. I wonder if it is a lens manufacturing defect, because I'm afraid anyone trying to use it for a long period will affect their vision as anything outside the small spot in the center is slightly out of focus and edges are just a blurry mess which makes my eyes hurt. And yes, colors are washed out, which along with still mediocre resolution makes it hard to spot white corner markers on light green grass in Assetto Corsa. I'm not talking about reading numbers on it, I mean you can hardly see the whole board until you come very close. I wish there was some brightness adjustment, it might've helped.
    This piece of crap is going back to the store. Maybe I will try Rift when it drops below 300, it can't be that bad with so many people swearing by it.
     
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  13. Robert Bachmayer

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    Sold my Rift after a week due to poor graphics, went back to Nvidia 3d vision 2, made my eyes happy again.