How many lap records does JP Montoya have?

Bram Hengeveld · Mar 19, 2012

Most of the current lap records still date from 2004 / 2005 and a lot of them have been set by JPM it seems. Is he the fastest F1 driver ever?

Victor Ivanov · Mar 19, 2012

I think he still holds the top speed record at Monza, some 382 km/h. I'm not sure but I'll check.
Edit: It looks like I'm wrong.

I only saw him having 2 records from 2012 calendar - Malaysia and Brazil.

Hampus Andersson · Mar 19, 2012

It's the engine

Ralf was never far off Montoya most of the time.
Some poles were decided by hundreds,

Ho3n3r · Mar 20, 2012

Doesn't Schumacher have most of the records from 2004? And yes Hampus, I may be wrong.

Hampus Andersson · Mar 20, 2012

It's a bit weird with the records. The official ones are from the race.
So most of the time they went faster in Quali.

Ho3n3r · Mar 20, 2012

Just did a rough check. Of all tracks that were run as far back as 2004, 6 of the lap records belong to the 2004 Ferrari, 2 belong to the 2004 Williams and 2 belong to the 2004 McLaren. One was Kimi in the McLaren 2005.

Hampus Andersson · Mar 20, 2012

Australia - 2004 - Schumi
Malaysia - 2004 - Montoya
China - 2004 - Schumi
Bahrain - 2004 - Schumi
Spain - 2008 - Kimi
Monaco - 2004 - Schumi
Canada - 2004 - Barrichello
Europe - 2009 - Glock
Silverstone - 2010 - Alonso
Germany - 2004 - Raikkonen (Hockenheim)
Hungary - 2004 - Schumi
SPA - 2004 - Kimi
Monza - 2004 - Barrichello
Singapore - 2008 - Kimi
Japan - 2005 - Kimi (suzuka)
Korea - 2011 - Vettel
India - 2011 - Vettel
Abu Dhabi - 2009 - Vettel
Brazil - 2004 - Montoya

Ian Craft · Mar 20, 2012

There are some things which pop in my head:

How does the tarmac affect the car. It does. So was it made new and has it or did it have in 2005 more grip than today or does it have today more grip? (Tarmac + Bridgsteoene)
Is there something which affected the car but isnt calculable ?

...after i reed this thread I want an Williams BMW of 2004...

Chris Cronshaw · Mar 20, 2012

There is something that affected the pace I know that for sure. a 900bhp BMW V10.
That BMW V10 was without a doubt the most powerful engine on the grid at the time

Ian Craft · Mar 20, 2012

There is something that affected the pace I know that for sure. a 900bhp BMW V10.
That BMW V10 was without a doubt the most powerful engine on the grid at the time

I think thats the reason why I want that Williams.

Ho3n3r · Mar 20, 2012

Track Lap Record
Melbourne 1:24.125 - M Schumacher (2004)
Sepang 1:34.223 - JP Montoya (2004)
Shanghai 1:32.238 - M Schumacher (2004)
Sakhir 1:30.252 - M Schumacher (2004)
Barcelona 1:21.670 - K Raikkonen (2008)
Monaco 1:14.439 - M Schumacher (2004)
Montreal 1:13.622 - R Barrichello (2004)
Valencia 1:38.683 - T Glock (2009)
Silverstone 1:30.874 - F Alonso (2010)
Hockenheim 1:13.780 - K Raikkonen (2004)
Hungaroring 1:19.071 - M Schumacher (2004)
Spa 1:45.108 - K Raikkonen (2004)
Monza 1:21.046 - R Barrichello (2004)
Singapore 1:45.599 - K Raikkonen (2008)
Suzuka 1:31.540 - K. Raikkonen (2005)
Yeongam 1:39.605 - S Vettel (2011)
India 1:27.249 - S Vettel (2011)
Interlagos 1:11.473 - JP Montoya (2004)

Hampus Andersson · Mar 20, 2012

Chris Cronshaw said:
There is something that affected the pace I know that for sure. a 900bhp BMW V10.
That BMW V10 was without a doubt the most powerful engine on the grid at the time

950+ and rumored 1.000hp at Monza.

Victor Ivanov · Mar 20, 2012

And the incredible sound...

Chris Cronshaw · Mar 20, 2012

Hampus Andersson said:
950+ and rumored 1.000hp at Monza.

Agggh I remember hearing 950 somewhere and thought I'm not putting that I'll get flamed for it lol.

It surprises me actually that the Williams doesn't hold the lap record for Monza an Montreal

Ole Marius Myrvold · Mar 20, 2012

Hampus Andersson said:
950+ and rumored 1.000hp at Monza.

I thought Honda was the only engine sniffing at the 1000hp mark with the Suzuka special.

Bradley Vanian · Mar 20, 2012

JP Montoya does hold the fastest lap ever (highest average speed) in a Qualy Lap at Monza in 2004.

Hampus Andersson · Mar 20, 2012

Ole Marius Myrvold said:
I thought Honda was the only engine sniffing at the 1000hp mark with the Suzuka special.

Not sure.

But from BMW´s second year in F1 they had the most powerful engine of them all, in the beginning it was a considerably big performance deficit.
So much so that Williams could afford to run more downforce and still be faster then anyone else in the speed traps.

Here´s a great article from BMW about the evolution of their F1 engines.
They had launched an even more hardcore engine for the last V10 season but due to new regulations on engine life they kept the old one.

Teams eventually caught up though but i don´t think any team really had a more powerful engine.
If it did then i´m sure Honda would be the one, they are also a highly regarded engine manufacturer.

http://sd-2.archive-host.com/membres/up/10237196789579146/moteurs_BMW_F1.pdf

All of their V10 F1 engines and how they went about making them, a brilliant read for an engine or BMW fan

Hampus Andersson · Mar 20, 2012

Just look at the power of the engine out of the pits. It´s like Kimi stands still.

It´s a complete monster.

About if they had no regulations regarding the V8 engines that had fixed CoG and height/width.

The stipulated dimensions and the minimum weight of 95 kg provided the basis
for a robust design concept, but also meant that the P86 had to be designed from
scratch. Without these restrictions, it would have been possible to develop a 2.4-
litre V8 based on the V10 that would have weighed just 69 kg.