How come there are so few classic supercars!?

Rogerbee

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I grew up in the 70's and 80's, the time when supercars really came into their own. We saw the 512BB Ferrari, the Lamborghini Countach and my all time fave the Ferrari 308 GTB. Throughout my gaming history (From Need For Speed 1 to Gran Turismo 4) I've been dying to drive some of these fabled cars. So far it's only been the Countach that I've ever got my hands on as an in game car. Even in Assetto Corsa there STILL isn't a 512BB or a 308 GTB! Why!?

There's not even a classic 80's Testarossa, the 512 incarnation is nice, but, I just want the original. There are loads of modern supercars, but, I want something designed by hand and fettled by mechanics with hairy knuckles and spanners, not something designed by a mouse. The newer Lambos and Ferraris are too cold and clinical for me. I have a pack of Lamborghini Jalpas, and they are just sublime!

So, modders, c'mon, give us the real supercars, the ones that were posters, not screensavers!
 

Mirta27

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Sir, I believe you forgot about the Alfa 33 Stradale, Corvette C4 ZR-1, Viper RT/10, 250 GTO, F40, 288 GTO, NSX, XJ13, two Diablos, Miura, Yellowbird, Shelby Cobra and the newly released TVR Griffith.
 

Rogerbee

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Rogerbee

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Sir, I believe you forgot about the Alfa 33 Stradale, Corvette C4 ZR-1, Viper RT/10, 250 GTO, F40, 288 GTO, NSX, XJ13, two Diablos, Miura, Yellowbird, Shelby Cobra and the newly released TVR Griffith.
I'm aware of them, but, some, while great cars, aren't in the league of supercars. I was talking about the 70's and 80's too, things like Cobras and Griffiths weren't really supercars. The Miura, yeah, that's up there. There are Maseratis missing, though Assettopedia do have a Bora in the works. There's older Lambo's, like the Urraco and Espada, stuff I pushed round the floor as a little 'un.
 

Rogerbee

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One thing I did find was a 355 Berlinetta, that is just gorgeous! One of the last really great Ferraris.
 

Rogerbee

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Yeah, very true. It's the same with having a full grid of 1975 F1 cars, but hardly any 1975 tracks to drive them on.
 

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I share your taste. I have a 355 F1, 308 GTB QV, Jalpa and a couple of other things prepared for release should suitable models pop up. (And at least one of them is in progress!)

The simple reality is that these mods take a team of 2 or 3 very specialized people working hundreds of hours each to bring to the game, and there are only a handful of us doing it. There will always be 100 times as many cars we want as those we have.

Even if you count the ripped mods, very few of which accurately reflect their subjects (even if we're quite generous in our judgement,) there are just too many cars to do.

Also, don't sweat the Testarossa. The 512TR is just a version of it that doesn't suck to drive. You're not missing anything other than a sloppier suspension and a slightly higher and more unbalanced engine.
 
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Rogerbee

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A 308 GTB QV!? That's music to my ears! Maybe there could be a compromise with the Testarossa, the original body, just with the 512 underneath, I'd love a Spyder version as well.
 

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From the A pillar on back the Testarossa and 512TR look exactly the same to my eye. TR has a slightly more muscular front end. Although looking at the list of improvements from the Testarossa to the 512TR. The 512TR is the car most would want to drive. I suspect this has more to do with you wanting to see Testarossa badge on the back of the car, hahah. Which is cool, I can dig it !

The internal differences are substantial.

Engine- Block is still flat 12 boxer engine cast in light alloy, crankshaft still has seven main bearings, the cylinders still have four valves and each cylinder banks still has two overhead cams.
1. Bore and stroke of 82mm by 78mm, 4942 cc capacity (unchanged);
2. HP increased from 380hp SAE to 421, with most of the increase coming from a redesign of the intake manifolds, a repositioning of the injectors, and a recalibration of the injectors, and a recalibration of the engine management system, the later controlling the integrated electronic fuel injection system;
3. Torque increased from 354lb ft to 360;
4. 0-60mph, 5.7 sec to 4.8;
5. Top speed- 180mph to 192;
6. New cylinder liner manufactured in aluminum with Nikasil coating;
7. New pistons due to larger intake valves;
8. Increase in compression ratio (10.1 to1)
9. Modified cylinder head gaskets due to a higher compression ratio and a different cylinder head coolant circulation layout;
10. Reinforced camshafts of a new profile;
11. Valve tappets with a new design bucket and springs;
12. New intake valves of a larger diameter;
13. Separate air boxes with filters, with a dynamic air intake;
14. Longer and straighter air intake manifolds;
15. Integrated electronic fuel injection system and ignition (Bosch Motronic 2.7) with self-diagnostic capabilities, and with ECU located in the cockpit;
16. Double independent submergible fuel pumps;
17. Exhaust manifolds with new layout;
18. Metallic type pre-catalyst converters;
19. Exhaust muffler with resonators and new heat shields;
20. Aluminum oil radiator with U circulation and without fan, allowing for better permeability; aluminum tubing;
21. Dual copper water radiators with U circulation in series and new aluminum tubing;
22. Coolant expansion tank located between intake manifolds;
23. More powerful alternator;
24. Secondary air pump with new air distribution pattern.

Chassis- Up front, the chassis frame was strengthened around specific points; for example, the steering rack mounts and the front suspension mounts. Highly stressed frame pieces are made of special chromium-molybdenum steel. At the rear, the old engine sub frame has been done away with. To gain a noticeable increase in stiffness, the rear frame was made an integral part of the entire chassis. The engine is now lifted out from above. Around the passenger compartment, the steel platform, rear bench, front and rear firewalls, and pillars are all welded directly to the tubes of the chassis. End result is that chassis flex has been reduced by 25% and torsional rigidity has been increased by 12.5%. Other chassis specifics as noted by Ferrari:
1. Weight reduction of 40kg/88lbs;
2. Lower center of gravity;
3. Reduction of unsprung weight;
4. Steering points in aluminum alloy;
5. New steering column shaft design;
6. New steering rack with longer arms and more direct ratios;
7. New steering moment offset;
8. Bilstein gas shock absorbers with aluminum body and adjustable plate;
9. New shock absorber settings;
10. Lighter weight springs.

Gearbox and Differential
1. Limited slip differential (40%) with reduced axial thrust to increase reliability;
2. New transfer gear ratio;
3. Strengthened transfer gears;
4. New synchronizer pre-loading springs;
5. Gear shift lever housing with sliding ball bearings;
6. New selector and modified gear shift lever inclination;
7. New single plate clutch with reduced inertia and asbestos free clutch linings;
8. Entire gearbox and transmission strengthened throughout.

Brakes
1. Larger front discs, 315mm x 32mm, with cross drilled braking surface;
2. Larger rear discs, 310 mm x 28mm, with cross drilled braking surface;
3. Aluminum calipers with larger pistons: front 44/40mm; rear: 40/36mm;
4. New ducts for brake cooling;
5. New brake proportioning valve;
6. Brake pedal ratio is more direct;
7. Redesigned hand brake with reduced application effort.

Wheels and Tires
1. Front wheels increased from 16” to 8” x 18” with 235/40 ZR 18 tires;
2. Rear wheels increased from 16” to 10.5” x 18” with 295/35 ZR 18 tires.

Styling Changes
1. New trapezoidal shaped air intake scoops on front with prancing horse;
2. Body colored front spoiler;
3. New profile to the C pillar fins in the rear sections with elimination of vents in sail panels;
4. Integral air intake slots added to the engine cover;
5. Rear lights are now dual colored and a redesign of the underbumper to change aesthetics of the exhaust system and exhaust outlets.
6. Wheels redesigned;
7. Interior restyled with elimination of center console and repositioning of the corresponding instruments under the central part of the dashboard.
8. Door panels and armrests have been changed.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/testarossa-to-512tr-differences.307199/
 
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Rogerbee

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I meant the physics from the current 512 with the rest from the original. Plus a Spyder so we can play Outrun in LA Canyons!
 

Mirta27

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Something tells me you wouldn't truly appreciate a 308 and Testarossa as you just skip over the existing 512 and 288 GTO like they're worthless.
 

Rogerbee

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They are great cars, I'm talking about what's not in the game, not what is.
 

Mirta27

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Exactly, they're superior versions of the cars you want to drive. You were given a BMW instead of the Mercedes you wanted for your birthday and you couldn't possibly have that. You wanted the old Testarossa, which is an inferior 512TR, the 308, which is an inferior 288 GTO, the Urraco and the Jalpa which were both completely outshadowed by the legendary Countach we got.

You have no idea how much effort it takes to create a single car up to the quality standards seen in these cars that already exist in the game. No idea how to appreciate the things you've already been given. Nobody has to model these cars for AC just because you want them. They're only made if someone wants to make them.

There's a good representation of the Testarossa in Project Gotham Racing 4 and a 512BB in Gran Turismo 5 and 6. Go get yourself a Xbox 360 and PS3, the cars are waiting there. That said, I saw someone modelling a 308 a few months back, maybe you'll be in luck.
 

Hoksu

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They are great cars, I'm talking about what's not in the game, not what is.
So if the game had the cars you ask it would not matter since you'd just keep talking about why this car or that car isn't there.

It's just baffling how some people are not able to appreciate a great quality car because it's not exactly the one they want. There are classic supercars but you don't care because it's not exactly the one you want. I honestly don't see why anyone would lift a finger to attempt to gratify you.