Have Your Say: Acceptable Risk or Dangerous Liability? The Isle of Man TT

[Rupe Wilson]

There's a kiddie porn advertisement at the top of this page,what sorta site is this? First time here using ps4 and its covered in nasty ad's.Last time too.

im sorry you have seen something like that, I find all the adds i get seem to be of things i myself have googled or looked at previously, that's how its supposed to work..
just checking now on a clean browser and nothing has pooped up
checked on firefox still nothing
checked on chrome still nothing' just what i myself have googled
checked on IE nothing
checked on Opera.

maybe you have a virus or something in the machine..
@Bram
i will of course pass it on to admin...

 

[Rupe Wilson]

When the odds are so high of death i think its wrong, im not doubting skill or bravery but too many are driving beyond the limit of both. Some people don't have a strong sense of danger, some believe there immortal, some believe they are incredibly skilled, some are wrong. They are the ones that need protection... From themselves. For the sake of there loved ones. Sport shouldn't lead to death.

The pastime of horse riding is far more dangerous than the TT but we never hear cries of this should be stopped.
More people die for alcohol abuse
more people die form obesity
more people die from smoking
the list goes on..

there are so many things that are more dangerous than the TT
for me its a pointless argument,, and we all have our own opinions on what is safe and what isn't.,
and it should be down to the individual to decide.

 

[Andy_J]

There's a kiddie porn advertisement at the top of this page,what sorta site is this? First time here using ps4 and its covered in nasty ad's.Last time too,account cancelled.

Bye then. Please don't slam the door on your way out.

 

[TzZyO]

Yes. He's too busy with his TV career these days. But the trouble with Guy is that he has loads of fans, and they have made him what he is. But he doesn't like interacting with them at all.

ps, I met Guy two weeks ago at Laxey beach. Me and my mate had ridden there for breakfast at the Laxey Beach cafe. Guy was walking his Dog Nigel with his pregnant girlfriend. We said Hi to him but he didn't want to chat at all. Made a beeline for his van. But that's him and I respect that.

That's the kind of a racer I respect the most. He clearly enjoys what he is doing. Fans are more of a hindrance, really. The most important thing is to enjoy the riding yourself.

There's a kiddie porn advertisement at the top of this page,what sorta site is this? First time here using ps4 and its covered in nasty ad's.Last time too,account cancelled.

If that's not a result of some malware interference, I have bad news for you...

 

[Andy_J]

That's the kind of a racer I respect the most. He clearly enjoys what he is doing. Fans are more of a hindrance, really. The most important thing is to enjoy the riding yourself.

His fans are what have made him what he is today. I have been a fan of his since I first saw him at the 2008 TT. He can't help the way he is, but it is the fans that have bought his books, watched his TV shows and most importantly of all, supported his racing.
Sometimes a celebrity has to give at least something back to his fans. But Guy is different. And that's is appeal.

 

[TzZyO]

His fans are what have made him what he is today. I have been a fan of his since I first saw him at the 2008 TT. He can't help the way he is, but it is the fans that have bought his books, watched his TV shows and most importantly of all, supported his racing.
Sometimes a celebrity has to give at least something back to his fans. But Guy is different. And that's is appeal.

Well, he is his own man, and that's what I like about him. After all, you can't exactly say Guy is not talkative at all He is just fine. A lot of people in TT are just fine. The downside of that being they are not exactly very well-known. Still, if I would be anybody's fan, that'd be one of them. Or maybe one of the rally car drivers.
I just don't see why anybody needs to be a fan of a particular rider or driver to enjoy the motorsports.

 

[billymitchell]

Motorcycle riding, in both race form and casual daily driving, is significantly more dangerous than any automobile. Period.

Go to any hospital, and see the outcomes of mistakes and accidents that harm riders by scaring their bodies, losing mechanical function of their limbs, gaining a lifetime of chronic pain, and some even losing their lives.

And then watch a doctor or surgeon finish his shift and hop on a motorcycle to drive home to his family.

Even a doctor, who literally saves lives and sees a daily reminder of the risks to riding, gets on that motorcycle...

 

[wombat999]

If I could add one last point.
I own several 'sports bikes' and riding on normal roads in normal traffic is extremely dangerous if one does not stay right at the top of their game.
My KTM RC8 is just a great bike and quick enough to get out of most awkward situations, but I only ride on track days and around my 'country' back roads.
Anywhere else I use a car, the TT is safer than riding in most road traffic in my experience, which I hasten too add is only my experience.

 

[gamer19]

So if I understand you well - you enjoy riding your bike at MAX speeds - as they MUST do on Isle of Man ? They must unless they wish to be ridiculed ofc. All for that little extra.
That would be my whole point here. Riding bike is dangerous yes but we do it under our conditions, we rarely or never use speeds as they do there.
Do anyone of you use those average speeds on your "more dangerous than TT circuit" local roads ?
And anyway top speed isn't that dangerous as it is doing it while in turns, some even blind, while trees, buildings, cars or spectators just awaits to slam into your body.

Anyway...
I got nothing against guys who are "willing to accept the risk" after all... we are always look for new risks and push the boundaries. We would never be on the Moon if we have all play safe.
I got little something against those who actually organize these kind of carnage events. While they sit safe and sound in their chairs. Being first man on the Moon and first in one I.o.M. race is so incomparable to me.

Wish people understand, I don't questioning the bravery of those man I just feel like they shouldn't be organized on first place. I understand you can be attached to this event but let's face it... it's not really a Wimbledon, World cup, Indy500 or even 24hrs of LeMan. To risk it all (and yes, you risk it all, in such a bigger scale than in any of those mentioned above) just to have your name ...hanging in some local pub ?
So thirsty local farmers can say "oh he, God bless his soul, he used to have really big sockets!", celebrate your name ...at least until next year ? Oh c'mon...

Rally is kinda dangerous, yet they are in relative safe car and even that speeds are not even close to those. This is just insane way of "racing". You feel free to call me a wimp, call yourself a brave, genuine racer, and celebrate those (even braver than you) who participate in this type of local mindless festival of carnage.

And don't compare it with other life risks please like obesity, drinking, smoking etc... what a hell that got with this at all ? Do we organize competition in these kind of "sports" in which you can (oh so) easily get yourself killed ?

 

[randMracer]

There's a kiddie porn advertisement at the top of this page,what sorta site is this? First time here using ps4 and its covered in nasty ad's.Last time too,account cancelled.

I've been on the interwebz since the beginning and I've never seen that type of ad. Plenty of porn ads, but nothing child related. You might want to check your history because the algorithm of ads is usually based on previous browser results. If you're not trolling then you need to control your network a little better.

Sorry to get off topic guys, but this could be serious stuff if his machines are compromised and being used as bots.

Oh and I voted no....live and let live.

 

[Andy_J]

Wish people understand, I don't questioning the bravery of those man I just feel like they shouldn't be organized on first place.

So just because someone organises a dangerous testing race, you are against it? Nobody forces anyone to do anything unless you are in the military. Get a life kid.

 

[Andy_J]

If I could add one last point.
I own several 'sports bikes' and riding on normal roads in normal traffic is extremely dangerous if one does not stay at the top of their game.

I agree with your statement. Riding fast bikes fast on the roads is probably the most dangerous pastime there is, at least in my country. Ride safe, stay focused.
Here is my bike that I use for track days and fast Sunday ride outs:

 

[Peter Stokman]

If you ban the IOMTT then you have to ban all road racing. Then you'll need to ban closed-road rallying too, as that carries similar dangers, especially to spectators. It's not going to happen though, so we needn't worry about it too much. The Isle of Man NEEDS the TT, as a lot of its economy relies on TT fortnight, as well as the Manx GP & Southern 100 meetings. As long as the riders, fans and marshals keep wanting to do it and know the risks involved, then there is no reason it can't continue.

Yes it's tragic that so many people die on the TT course every year, but they knew it could happen, and accepted it, and in the vast majority of cases their families accept the risks too. Generally the safety protocols are good at the TT, but the organisers have to remain vigilant and make sure everything is as safe as it can be.

Would be interesting to see if anyone has taken legal action in the past due to death/injury sustained at the races...

Then ban all cars all busses all plains iow bann all transportation Better bann life at all.
If one is against all things people themselves decide to do, as long as its dangerous for themselves then i guess your life is boring

Keep racing , hope to visit Isle of Man befor i die

 

[gamer19]

So just because someone organises a dangerous testing race, you are against it? Nobody forces anyone to do anything unless you are in the military. Get a life kid.

Hey Lloyd Christmas...
this number isn't about my age, it's about one of my other... quality. Wanna see ?
Did I quote you ?
I didn't, since I discover right on the very first page that your limiter is set astoundingly low.

And yeah I believe those people shouldn't have a licence to kill, shouldn't be able to organize such a dreadfully, hillbilly, redneck prove-the-local-girls-in-local-pubs-you're-a-brave carnage. Aka "race". Legal way to be a mass murderer and get away with it.
You're always free to visit those places on your own, with speed you feel you can handle but to organize "a race" and encourage human beings to drive as fast as possible on PUBLIC ROADS... that's just plain stupidity.

Of course, you have the right to disagree, since you're a "true racer" and I'm just a "young lad". Didn't mean to write another one here, but I've just thought...
ah ok, let a Andy "brave racer" Jackson another chance for hitting that "Angry" button. He find his inner peace in it. I'm so much above that.

And please slide off my... oh you know what.
You get a life. There's so much more out there than bikes and beers.

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hahaha, right on time !
Maaan, did you ever go off ? I really need to get a life. For you.

 

[Andy_J]

And yeah I believe those people shouldn't have a licence to kill, shouldn't be able to organize such a dreadfully, hillbilly, redneck prove-the-local-girls-in-local-pubs-you're-a-brave carnage. Aka "race". Legal way to be a mass murderer and get away with it.

Seriously? How old are you? We are discussing the Isle of Man TT here. Where brave men and women choose to race at the edge. What is your major malfunction? Why do you have a problem with this?

ps, it's "organise".

 

[gamer19]

Well I'm actually 18. Not really a 19.
What is my problem ?
I started nice. Go back to first page. In my naivety... I have just thought this topic is here for express your opinion. Didn't knew it supposed to be affirmative. Sorry.
But if would agree with you and agree that I really do have "a problem" then my problem would be quite simple - it's ordinary public road.
With trees, poles, houses, cars, bystanders and all other stuff that can kill one. It shouldn't be racing-ready. Especially for motorcycles. As much as brave they are.

 

[Andy_J]

Well I'm actually 18. Not really a 19.
What is my problem ?
I started nice. Go back to first page. In my naivety... I have just thought this topic is here for express your opinion. Didn't knew it supposed to be affirmative. Sorry.
But if would agree with you and agree that I really do have "a problem" then my problem would be quite simple - it's ordinary public road.
With trees, poles, houses, cars, bystanders and all other stuff that can kill one. It shouldn't be racing-ready. Especially for motorcycles. As much as brave they are.

You started nice? That's why you received sad and angry smileys? You don't have to agree with any ones opinion but at least give a valid and reasonable reason as to why you would ban the TT. Just saying it's dangerous is not enough. Do you have any idea how many dangerous sports there are in the world? Would you like to ban all of them too?

In your vast experience, just tell me why you are against it. What harm are they doing to you? Why would you deny those that choose to risk everything for the love of what they do? In what possible way does it affect you if they choose to race like they do? Real Road racing is on public roads and that is what makes them so exciting and fantastic to do and watch.
I am genuinely interested in your reasoning. Try and answer a bit more maturely.

 

[TzZyO]

So if I understand you well - you enjoy riding your bike at MAX speeds - as they MUST do on Isle of Man ? They must unless they wish to be ridiculed ofc. All for that little extra.
That would be my whole point here. Riding bike is dangerous yes but we do it under our conditions, we rarely or never use speeds as they do there.
Do anyone of you use those average speeds on your "more dangerous than TT circuit" local roads ?
And anyway top speed isn't that dangerous as it is doing it while in turns, some even blind, while trees, buildings, cars or spectators just awaits to slam into your body.

Anyway...
I got nothing against guys who are "willing to accept the risk" after all... we are always look for new risks and push the boundaries. We would never be on the Moon if we have all play safe.
I got little something against those who actually organize these kind of carnage events. While they sit safe and sound in their chairs. Being first man on the Moon and first in one I.o.M. race is so incomparable to me.

Wish people understand, I don't questioning the bravery of those man I just feel like they shouldn't be organized on first place. I understand you can be attached to this event but let's face it... it's not really a Wimbledon, World cup, Indy500 or even 24hrs of LeMan. To risk it all (and yes, you risk it all, in such a bigger scale than in any of those mentioned above) just to have your name ...hanging in some local pub ?
So thirsty local farmers can say "oh he, God bless his soul, he used to have really big sockets!", celebrate your name ...at least until next year ? Oh c'mon...

Rally is kinda dangerous, yet they are in relative safe car and even that speeds are not even close to those. This is just insane way of "racing". You feel free to call me a wimp, call yourself a brave, genuine racer, and celebrate those (even braver than you) who participate in this type of local mindless festival of carnage.

And don't compare it with other life risks please like obesity, drinking, smoking etc... what a hell that got with this at all ? Do we organize competition in these kind of "sports" in which you can (oh so) easily get yourself killed ?

It's ok to crash if it's Indy 500, while crashing on a bike going all out is not quite your level of worthiness?
Also, I would recommend not to get into arguments with adults. Once you are old enough, remembering what you said so far will make you cringe hard.

 

[wombat999]

hillbilly, redneck prove-the-local-girls-in-local-pubs[/B]-you're-a-brave carnage. Aka "race". Legal way to be a mass murderer and get away with it.
/QUOTE]
Total ignorance indeed!
If you knew anything about the people involved in the TT you would never label them as red neck hillbillies without a social conscience!!!!!!!
Most of the top level riders are family men, twice your quoted age on average and caring about their fellow racers.
Not just the top riders fit this description but the vast majority of the casual entries do so as well.
The late great Joey Dunlop summed it up perfectly.
For your education you might consider this before you label people, Joey was arguably the greatest open road racer of all time, his death saddened to motor racing community and we remember him with great affection.
Joey Dunlop helped orphans in the Balkans, driving a van loaded with supplies to orphanages in Romania, Albania and Bosnia-Hercegovina before the annual racing season began. After his death, the Joey Dunlop Foundation was initiated, a charity that provides appropriate accommodation for disabled visitors to the Isle of Man.

 

[TzZyO]

@wombat999
It's useless. They never listen. Kids are the worst thing that happened to the web since its inception.