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US GTO Classics @ Mid Ohio - Tue 16 Jul 2019

Discussion in 'R3E Racing Club & Leagues' started by David DeGreef, Jul 4, 2019.

Added to Calendar: 16-07-19
  1. Dirk Steffen

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    Thanks for a great race guys, this was fun but please don't tell anyone I was seen in an Audi - that would be embarrassing.
    I had a disaster race - completely messed up the start, killing the engine on the grid (embarrassing) - loosing a couple of positions right then, then driving like a devil to catch up those lost positions, going a bit too hot in places until I almost FLIPPED my car running hard over the right hand curb after the long straight.
    From then I took it easier, pitted early to fulfill the 2 tire changes and not risk having to run two worn and two new tires. Then I had a few nice battles, missed the odd braking zone and lost time.
    two laps before the finish I got a fuel warning and drastically reduced pace, short shifting and saving fuel only to find in the end that I had perfectly enough fuel and the runner in second place was only 11 sec ahead of me !@#$% I'll catch you next time ;-)

    Congrats to David "The Ultimate Sand Bag" for a low stealth flight under the radar and a well deserved victory and thanks for setting such awesome track / car combos up - good, proper manly men old metal racing!

    When I told my wife that the Fanatec shifter finally gave up the ghost and I only finished 3rd she immediately ordered me a new one and told me ... "You'll show those Amerikaners next time!"
    I love her ;-)

    These type of cars are lovely, I love anything German that has way too much power while having way too little tires and is driven without any electronic nannies. Maybe we race Group 5 cars some of the next weeks?
    Maybe even the DRM Revival Gr.5 Mod for Assetto Corsa one day?
     
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  2. Mike Wyatt

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    Yeah, Dan (@sc4dr) , I was right behind you on the grid and got what I thought was a fairly good jump then realized you weren't moving so I promptly panicked and slammed on the brakes as visions of all those massive starting line crashes flashed through my head. By the time I was able to stop I had "bumped" your rear bumper but realized that there hadn't been any actual contact and in that instant your car blinked out so I floored it and tried to get all that mass moving forward again. As I SLOOOOOWLY began moving forward I saw that just about all of the left half of the start grid was in front of me but as I always tell myself, the prize money is the same for a first place finish as it is for last place in these races so I just settled in and concentrated on trying to keep the front end of the beast pointing in the right direction
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    As I mentioned, my DQ was due to hitting the limiter key twice and not realizing it. This is the 2nd time this has happened to me in the past 6 months so I'm going to have to review my video and figure out how it's happening and make some changes to prevent it. I just wish that Sector3 would put some kind of pop-up on screen that indicates when your limiter is on.

    Anyway, as my wife always says, it was fun while it lasted:D. A special thanks to David (@David DeGreef) for all his efforts to organize this and congrats to him and the other two podium finishers. See you all next week.
     
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  3. John Addison

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    Congrats to David and the podium, This Audi was a handful. Thing that was bothering me was it wasn't shifting like it was in practice? I had double shift it almost every time was a real b...And the 2nd set of tires went off fast.....with the brakes. But had a decent race a few good fights and 1 bad lap where I just couldnt keep it on the track toward the end but was able to gather it up to finish P-13 I think with nothing but fumes in the tank. :whistling:
     
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  4. Dirk Steffen

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    I don't know which car you were in but at least in some cars there is an indicator if the pit limiter is on or not in the cockpit.

    In the Audi one of the dash lights indicated (blue blinking) when the pit limiter was engaged.
    Granted that is surely easy to overlook in the heat of the moment so I went veeeeery careful on this in the race, rather loosing 2-3 seconds in the pit then the whole race :-(

    It is a real shame that Raceroom plain disqualifies you even for a small pit speed limit.
    Are there actual gradual penalties applied like in ACC (small speeding just a drive through, more severe a time penalty in the pits and only with severe speeding a DQ) ?
     
  5. David DeGreef

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    I am not aware of a speeding disqualification, but if you do not serve the penalty it will DQ you.

    I set up a tablet for a dashboard that works pretty well for when FOV, or just lack of info prevents from seeing what I like. https://www.stryder-it.de/simdashboard/
     
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  6. Mike Wyatt

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  7. David DeGreef

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    That may be worth while posting on the Sector 3 forum as I am not sure if doing an old school F1 fly by in the pit will get you DQ'd.
    Interesting thought if taking pit speed restriction off is a possibility, could make things really fun.
     
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  8. FeltHat

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    You will get dq'ed if you go into pits at full speed :D There was also bug at Imola where you could hit wall outside the pit and get dq'ed
     
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  9. David DeGreef

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    Last night someone mentioned a squeaky throttle on Fanatec pedals, I only caught a portion of the conversation in between accelerating the daylights out of the Mustang. Was there a fix as I have looked for dirt and even lubed it up a bit with 3in1 oil to no avail?
     
  10. Dirk Steffen

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    It is best to disassemble the pedal, clean all joints and lube all joints (lithium based grease works great, you'll get it easily in autopart stores or even good quality bicycle shops).
    Use low viscosity oils only if you absolutely have to - they usually seep all over and have the nasty side effect of attracting more dust and dirt faster, shortening proper strip down intervals, hence causing more work.
    Sometimes the squeak originates with different joints as they run out of lubrication.
    The last time on mine it was the joint pin that connects the spring loaded pushrod to the actual pedal arm (this pin runs without any proper bearing within the pedal arm and when running out of lubrication it will squeak).

    Others I hear had squeaky sounds from the main friction bearings that connect the pedal arms to the pedal base main rod - a popular mod is to add thin grease grooves to the main bearing to lengthen service intervals.
    These pedals really need regular maintenance (a little clean and lube every few months and a tear down once a year is a good schedule).
    Teardown is really super easy and straight forward.
    If you do a complete teardown make sure to get from a online vendor or hardware store some good quality fastener replacements for the cheese quality cheap fasteners, Fanatec's supplier is using on these pedal sets - they will strip eventually (only use good quality, precise tools on them and do not slip).
    I like to use Wera tools and one of our main fastener vendor is Würth but then I am German - you may find great quality from US based suppliers as well ;-)
     
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  11. David DeGreef

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    Thank you @Dirk Steffen for the help. I will check out the local distributor for Wurth near me and do a maintenance overall soon.
     
  12. Racker2

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    Please inform me, gentle-racers. Am I the only one that changes all 4 tires at the pit stop?
     
  13. John Addison

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    Nope always 4 here. 2 makes no sense to on a road course. But that's me.
     
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  14. David DeGreef

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    For the first time ever I changed fronts only on the 911 in our first club event and the car became unstable from that point forward. Won't make that mistake again, always 4.
     
  15. Dirk Steffen

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    I am fairly new to Raceroom but the few longer runs I have done so far have not shown that this behavior is much different than in other current racing sims.

    The answer depends on:
    - driving style (are you using a lot of tires or are you easy on your tires, also are you able to adapt to different car balances as a driver or does change of balance during a race cause you trouble)
    - setup (how much can your setup compensate for balance changes due to different tire wear)
    - actual tire wear (completely car dependent and how events are setup)

    If you eat your tires due to an aggressive driving style and perhaps a couple of spins now and then you may end up with one pair of very worn tires and a fresh pair (if you pit late).

    If you are easy on your tires and avoid spinning and sliding you will reduce tire wear and combined this with an early pitstop there really isn't a drastic change in balance at all.

    You have all the freedom to time your pit stop with these super short 40 min races were essentially no refueling is needed (the refueling time really is longer than the added time per lap due to higher fuel loads).


    Another aspect is the car you are driving - I found with the Audi in this weeks race is massively understeering pretty much at all times (turn in, mid corner, on, off throttle, it is an understeering machine), so the only grip I am really worried about with that car is the front end grip to have as much lateral traction through those fast corner sections as possible (those make the lap time).

    I pitted early (to prevent a drastic change in balance between the tires that were about 10 laps old and the two fresh tires).
    I changed only the fronts (as grip up front on the Audi is much more important than at the rear).

    I saved something like roughly ~10sec.

    Here is the tasty bit: the three podium finishers in this weeks race were each ~10 seconds apart.
    Changing 2 or 4 tires makes a place in the grid here.
    Every second counts.

    From a strategy standpoint there is only one correct answer for how these last two races were setup up:
    - run full fuel for 40min
    - pit early
    - change only 2 tires
    - drive consistently without making mistakes
     
  16. Racker2

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    hmmmmmmmm!
     
  17. 2112

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    I had a blast Tuesday night. I love those cars. The start kinda left me behind as someone had issues and there was a few of us who got caught out. After that I had a great battle with Law that lasted quite a few laps. I was gaining on the next car when I got caught with my rear-end where it should not be in Thunder Valley and got intimate with the inside wall. I lost a lot of time and places but managed to get back in the chase. During that time I had a great battle with N.C. and after finally getting around him I went hunting the next car down. Unfortunately I ran out of time.

    Ya know, I want to win every race but if I cannot I want to have great battles with the people I am racing with. The past two races I have not been fast enough to win, but I have been able to dice with numerous drivers over a period of numerous laps. There were moves and counter-moves, a little bit of rubbing (IMO a little contact is part of racing, thus I never get mad at that) and some moves made on me (to protect positions) that frankly had me laughing, and a little mad I did not think of them. That in itself is very satisfying.

    Law and N.C.: It was a great pleasure battling with both of you.
     
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  18. Racker2

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    Thanks, Greg. I was very impressed with your driving. Close racing with no shunts. Well done!
    -Law
     
  19. sc4dr

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    I just want to say..... I really like racing with you guys. The maturity level is a breath of fresh air. Been doing some testing @ Bathurst and it's looking like I might run the Vette. It suits my driving style. Just need to get the setup dialed. Did something like a 2:04.5 I think with stock setup. Should be able to squeeze another 1.5 out of it I hope.
     
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