GTL DVD without Starforce???

wide2tele

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Gotta ask this as it's bugged me for years. I have GT Legends on a legitimate DVD I purchased. It does not have Starforce.
Everything I have ever found online says the DVD versions all had Starforce. I'm just curious if anyone has any information as mine definitely does not.
 

David Wright

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I was closely involved with the GTL community during the early years and there were no non-starforce DVDs. There was only one version of the 1.1 patch and the patch updated starforce. If there had been non-starforce DVDs then there would have been more than one version of the 1.1 patch. Starforce wasn't cracked for years. If there had been a non-starforce version around there would have been no need for the crack.

Sorry to ask a stupid question but sometimes people get GP Legends and GT Legends confused. Have you done the same?
 

wide2tele

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Hi guys,

I am speaking of GT Legends, not GTL. I am positive there is no Starforce. I can't check the disc contents atm but the install of the game on my PC doesn't have any folders to indicate Starforce is there.
I'll check the DVD contents later and post. I bought the DVD off eBay. It was years after GT Legends was released. I had all the other Simbin games but never bought GT Legends. Decided I really need to get it. That was a few years ago now also.

I thought maybe in some very late production run maybe they removed the Starforce. The disc looks totally genuine and I always check the seller to make sure they don't look suspect.

I'll check the DVD contents when I can and post back.
 

wide2tele

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Oh, just read what I wrote! lol
GT Legends is what I have not Grand Prix Legends. I typed GTL in the last post by mistake instead of GPL.
Taking photos of my DVD to post.
 

wide2tele

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Ok, this is interesting. My DVD looks like Viva Media was the distribution company. Very quickly skimming a page from Amazon, I found customer reviews for a GT Legends Viva Media release. There is mention of the game coming on 3 CD's and that it had Starforce. One person then says this:

"If you own this title, or are interested in buying it, go to [...]
Register and follow the directions and they will send you the code to download a digital STARFORCE FREE version."

Maybe Viva Media later did package the 3 CD's on to a single DVD using the Starforce removed version? This would make sense. I haven't researched this properly. I just noticed Viva Media on my photos I took so did a quick google on them also coming across the Amazon page. Anyhow, my pics are below along with the Amazon link if you want to take a look at it. Maybe there are a few no Starforce DVD's actually floating around???

Any comments welcomed. I've always wanted to get to the bottom of how I can have a Starforce free DVD!

Everything on my DVD looks very legitimate.
It even came with an online code which I painted out before uploading.

 

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GTR233

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it is clearly written on the back of your box :
IMPORTANT NOTICE: this product is copy protected

So you've got starforce
 

wide2tele

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I promise you, there is no Starforce. They likely simply didn't change the packaging.
I was gaming when Starforce was widely used. Had games in the past with Starforce. As you mentioned, there will be a sf folder, there will be something that can clearly be seen. Every Starforce game I've ever installed also asks to install it before you can play. I've only ever seen it as a separate installation to the game itself. I've never seen it install secretly without warning you.
Below are the contents of my DVD. There is nothing there. The support folder contains nothing but Direct X9 setup files. The game is already patched up with this version. You will see the readme for version 1.1.0.0 in the screenshot.

I would say it's a good chance what I suggested last post is what happened. They repackaged the game to a single DVD using the no Starforce version. They possibly deliberately left the warning on there to combat piracy or simply because of cost or convenience or all three.

I purchased this new. At that point in time there were still some new versions of these era games out there. Now they are all gone and pre-owned is best you can find. The version I have must be quite rare but it is the real deal with no Starforce..
 

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GTR233

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No I did not speak about dvd installer files but the game directory after installation : please install game in c:\GTLTEST then make a screenshot of the files in this directory, there should be several files beginning with sfXXX if starforce is present.
By the way GTL setup doesn't ask for your permission to install starforce, it is totally silent on my european dvd version from 2006 (photo below)
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David Wright

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The packaging certainly thinks the game has Starforce, as Step 5 of the installation instructions includes a Starforce code. The most recent date on the files is mid 2007 almost 2 years after the game was released in Europe, so it clearly is a different "package" to the initial release. The US market was never a big market for Simbin products and by mid 2007 it would have been a "bargain bin" title so its surprising Viva Media went to this trouble. However Starfoce caused problems with Windows Vista (which came out in early 2007) so its possible they might have produced a Starforce free version. I'm just amazed its taken 12 years for news to leak out, and the cracked version didn't appear until 2008.
 

wide2tele

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No I did not speak about dvd installer files but the game directory after installation : please install game in c:\GTLTEST then make a screenshot of the files in this directory, there should be several files beginning with sfXXX if starforce is present.
By the way GTL setup doesn't ask for your permission to install starforce, it is totally silent on my european dvd version from 2006 (photo below)
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No, there's no sf folders. They are all just game files and game folders. I've run this GTL for years now on Win 7 and Win 10.
 

wide2tele

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The packaging certainly thinks the game has Starforce, as Step 5 of the installation instructions includes a Starforce code. The most recent date on the files is mid 2007 almost 2 years after the game was released in Europe, so it clearly is a different "package" to the initial release. The US market was never a big market for Simbin products and by mid 2007 it would have been a "bargain bin" title so its surprising Viva Media went to this trouble. However Starfoce caused problems with Windows Vista (which came out in early 2007) so its possible they might have produced a Starforce free version. I'm just amazed its taken 12 years for news to leak out, and the cracked version didn't appear until 2008.
Yeah, it is surprising, it's why I've been confused as to what I had. Like I said, while taking the pictures to post here made me notice and look at Viva Media. The Amazon page shows they had a Starforce free version which looks like it found it's way to disc. These discs might've been very rare and that would also explain why it took so long for a crack to come out. Very few people knew about this version. Everyone was focused on the Starforce discs.
 

wide2tele

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Oh, the Starforce code isn't required btw because Starforce isn't there. I've installed with this DVD now on Win 7 and Win 10 systems. Works perfectly.
 

GTR233

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no it is not a sf folder but files in same directory as GTL.EXE :
SFP.DLL, SFPD.DLL, SFP.EXE, and SFPD.EXE.

On dvd european version files are crypted : are you able to open GFX.GTL with Geditor ? GDB files with notepad ?
Can you post the md5 checksum of GTL.EXE please ?
 

wide2tele

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no it is not a sf folder but files in same directory as GTL.EXE :
SFP.DLL, SFPD.DLL, SFP.EXE, and SFPD.EXE.

On dvd european version files are crypted : are you able to open GFX.GTL with Geditor ? GDB files with notepad ?
Can you post the md5 checksum of GTL.EXE please ?
Those SFP files are not there, not hidden either, I checked. The other files are not crypted. I know they are on my Race07 games but just checking now, not on GT Legends. GFX.GTL opens fine with Geditor and GDB files open fine with notepad.
 
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