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F1 | Russell Williams Seat At Risk?

BrainsBush

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A couple of weeks ago other (reliable) media said/wrote that Perez and Mazepin will be the new drivers for Haas
 

pcraenme

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NO! screw RB, they will ruin his career which I think he is better than the brat skillswise, I think out of the young guns he is the best one yet, if that were to happen that he loses his seat, he will go to mercedes for a support driver role until a seat opens up. a shame really as I like both, him and Perez which I think it's a travesty what's going on with him.
What career? He has been driving with a car that is not really helping his career. And there aren’t too many seats in F1 that allow you to win races or even better, a WC. If Russell is really that good (which I believe he is), he needs a better car and a better teammate. Driving besides Lewis or Max, will mean he will have both. And all this nonsense about RB ruining careers of drivers... if you are really a top driver, you will also succeed at RB. Look at Vettel, Ricciardo and now Max. Kvyat, Gasly and Albon are just not good enough.
 
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Erudain

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I would rather see Checo Perez and George Russell together in Williams. I think Perez will bring the experience, consistency, and points that Williams needs but not at the cost of Russell. Latiffi brings a lot of money to Williams and I don't think that Checo's own sponsors can match that so it's a high unlikely scenario but I believe it will be a good option for Williams.
Checo main sponsor is Carlos Slim, world's 12th wealthiest person according to Forbes, that's a lot of money for Williams to pass if he can get both Lattifi's and Checo's money.

Edit: it's also the reason why Checo to Haas was never going to happen, there's a lot of bad blood between Slim and Gene Haas for past incidents with Slim backed drivers.
 
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Goffik

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... no need to continue the Bottas charade.
I really don't understand this view. Where is the so-called "charade"?

Mercedes has two goals in F1, to win the constructors championship, and to win the drivers championship, in that order. The very best way of doing that when you have a dominant car is to have one stand-out driver to take the drivers championship, and a very decent "second" driver to bring consistent points and ensure the constructors. That is exactly how the Hamilton/Bottas setup is working.

The very worst way to do it is having two stand-out drivers fighting amongst themselves, hampering each others races, and potentially taking each other out on a regular basis. This is exactly what has happened when teams have had two ace drivers in the past. It's surely very good for us to watch, but spectator entertainment is of secondary importance to the teams after performance.

So having Bottas at Mercedes is not a "charade" at all, it is a very sensible and calculated decision to ensure Mercedes' continuing success and dominance of F1. Boring yes, charade no.

As for Russell, I don't think he'll get a look at Mercedes until Hamilton confirms he might be leaving. Why potentially ruin a good thing by bringing a young and hungry driver into the mix? Toto already alludes to allowing Hamilton whatever he wants and needs to stay on top of his game, and I'm sure that includes team dynamics whether either party admits it or not.

But as others have mentioned, we all know that speed and talent has little to do with being in F1 these days. It may be the "pinnacle" of technology, but it certainly doesn't have the pinnacle of racing driver talent. There are at least three drivers we could name right now who have no business being there at all, and should be binned in favour of fresh talent. Perhaps the incoming cost caps will start to help with that as teams become less reliant of pay-drivers, who knows? But as it is now, good drivers are always going to be losing out to mediocre ones until skill becomes the priority.
 

LeSunTzu

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To be honest Russell did not show anything special during races. He has not been better than Latifi at all.

If Mercedes is planning for Ocon or Russell in the next years, they need to seriously improve their performance.
 
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As much as I like Russell, why do we need to push him into a Mercedes seat as quickly as possible? I'm not denying his pace, as he would be quick, but I would be worried that it would be a Gasly/Red Bull situation where he is dropped for not keeping up with his teammate/pack. Also similar to Ocon's hyped return to Renault.

Also Bottas is a great team mate to Hamilton. Can stay ahead over Verstappen 90% of the time and can secure a 1/2 for the team. Therefore, imo, Russell shouldn't replace Bottas.
 
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I really don't understand this view. Where is the so-called "charade"?

Mercedes has two goals in F1, to win the constructors championship, and to win the drivers championship, in that order. The very best way of doing that when you have a dominant car is to have one stand-out driver to take the drivers championship, and a very decent "second" driver to bring consistent points and ensure the constructors. That is exactly how the Hamilton/Bottas setup is working.

The very worst way to do it is having two stand-out drivers fighting amongst themselves, hampering each others races, and potentially taking each other out on a regular basis. This is exactly what has happened when teams have had two ace drivers in the past. It's surely very good for us to watch, but spectator entertainment is of secondary importance to the teams after performance.

So having Bottas at Mercedes is not a "charade" at all, it is a very sensible and calculated decision to ensure Mercedes' continuing success and dominance of F1. Boring yes, charade no.

As for Russell, I don't think he'll get a look at Mercedes until Hamilton confirms he might be leaving. Why potentially ruin a good thing by bringing a young and hungry driver into the mix? Toto already alludes to allowing Hamilton whatever he wants and needs to stay on top of his game, and I'm sure that includes team dynamics whether either party admits it or not.

But as others have mentioned, we all know that speed and talent has little to do with being in F1 these days. It may be the "pinnacle" of technology, but it certainly doesn't have the pinnacle of racing driver talent. There are at least three drivers we could name right now who have no business being there at all, and should be binned in favour of fresh talent. Perhaps the incoming cost caps will start to help with that as teams become less reliant of pay-drivers, who knows? But as it is now, good drivers are always going to be losing out to mediocre ones until skill becomes the priority.
Excellent post @Goffik Nail on head mate.
 

Richard Hessels

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Finishing up to 11th against all odds, won't make any money. Drivers that bring in hard cash do at that level. Although Russel did a stellar job with the given material.
 

ZuneGuy

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Everybody wants Lewis out of the sport, but that man doesn't owe Verstappen, Russel or anyone else one damned thing. Lewis needs to stay for another 10 years, and I hope that he does. He's a positive role model image for kids, and for the sport.
 

ZuneGuy

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I really don't understand this view. Where is the so-called "charade"?

Mercedes has two goals in F1, to win the constructors championship, and to win the drivers championship, in that order. The very best way of doing that when you have a dominant car is to have one stand-out driver to take the drivers championship, and a very decent "second" driver to bring consistent points and ensure the constructors. That is exactly how the Hamilton/Bottas setup is working.

The very worst way to do it is having two stand-out drivers fighting amongst themselves, hampering each others races, and potentially taking each other out on a regular basis. This is exactly what has happened when teams have had two ace drivers in the past. It's surely very good for us to watch, but spectator entertainment is of secondary importance to the teams after performance.

So having Bottas at Mercedes is not a "charade" at all, it is a very sensible and calculated decision to ensure Mercedes' continuing success and dominance of F1. Boring yes, charade no.

As for Russell, I don't think he'll get a look at Mercedes until Hamilton confirms he might be leaving. Why potentially ruin a good thing by bringing a young and hungry driver into the mix? Toto already alludes to allowing Hamilton whatever he wants and needs to stay on top of his game, and I'm sure that includes team dynamics whether either party admits it or not.

But as others have mentioned, we all know that speed and talent has little to do with being in F1 these days. It may be the "pinnacle" of technology, but it certainly doesn't have the pinnacle of racing driver talent. There are at least three drivers we could name right now who have no business being there at all, and should be binned in favour of fresh talent. Perhaps the incoming cost caps will start to help with that as teams become less reliant of pay-drivers, who knows? But as it is now, good drivers are always going to be losing out to mediocre ones until skill becomes the priority.
Well said...
 

Jason Chamberlain

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Everybody wants Lewis out of the sport, but that man doesn't owe Verstappen, Russel or anyone else one damned thing. Lewis needs to stay for another 10 years, and I hope that he does. He's a positive role model image for kids, and for the sport.
I find Lewis' whining about the tires and breathless statements about how "it was really hard out there," as tiresome as the next guy, but you're absolutely right. The only reason I'd like to see Lewis leave is to have more parity in the sport, but that's just being selfish. It's also easy to forget that he didn't leave McLaren to get the best car. He left McLaren for the promise of the best car. He gambled and won.

He's always the first to give Bottas a fist bump when Bottas beats him to pole. He always compliments the team and the "best fans." He almost never makes a mistake on track or any real mistake off of it. And at the time he was absolutely right in calling Max "a dickhead." I suppose someone could disagree with his politics. Overall, he is basically the perfect F1 driver. What else could you want?
 
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Knoxstar

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The problem is that there are only 10 teams of 2. Unless you have big sponsors or are a factory you need help. What I don't understand is what Kevin and Romain bring to the Haas team. Checo would be perfect there unless it's political (Haas probably Republican and the old "build The Wall"). Maybe Checo's backers are keen on signing up with an American team. Beats me but Russell is Alonzo like at the start of his career at Minardi. Russell is good...very very good. Someone in the U.K. needs to come to the rescue with some big $$.
 

ZuneGuy

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I find Lewis' whining about the tires and breathless statements about how "it was really hard out there," as tiresome as the next guy, but you're absolutely right. The only reason I'd like to see Lewis leave is to have more parity in the sport, but that's just being selfish. It's also easy to forget that he didn't leave McLaren to get the best car. He left McLaren for the promise of the best car. He gambled and won.

He's always the first to give Bottas a fist bump when Bottas beats him to pole. He always compliments the team and the "best fans." He almost never makes a mistake on track or any real mistake off of it. And at the time he was absolutely right in calling Max "a dickhead." I suppose someone could disagree with his politics. Overall, he is basically the perfect F1 driver. What else could you want?
Who cares if Lewis complains about his tires or whatever else? It's his job to give the team in the paddock constant information about the car, and it is the teams job to do the same for Lewis. Why do you think that the sport allows drivers to wear communication devices during the race.

News flash! Every driver complains about something on the radio during a race, so I don't even understand why you would even say that at all. Lewis is probably the only driver that never has to have his comments beeped out over the radio during a race. The only people who complain about silly trivial things like that are people who have what seems to be some kind of a personal problem with Lewis in particular. I find it rather strange since every other driver complains but Lewis in particular doing it disturbs you.
 
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Jason Chamberlain

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Who cares if Lewis complains about his tires or whatever else? It's his job to give the team in the paddock constant information about the car, and it is the teams job to do the same for Lewis. Why do you think that the sport allows drivers to wear communication devices during the race.

News flash! Every driver complains about something on the radio during a race, so I don't even understand why you would even say that at all. Lewis is probably the only driver that never has to have his comments beeped out over the radio during a race. The only people who complain about silly trivial things like that are people who have what seems to be some kind of a personal problem with Lewis in particular. I find it rather strange since every other driver complains but Lewis in particular doing it disturbs you.
Actually, I like Lewis a lot and have a tremendous amount of respect for him as a person. I think he is an excellent ambassador for the sport. I would be very happy if my children grew up to be like Lewis Hamilton.

Who cares if he complains about it? That's a fair question. I guess my complaint is that he often complains and then it ends up not being a problem. It seems like he complains so that he can appear particularly heroic when he gets through the race, despite the problem. Of course, it's also possible that he does it to bluff the other teams, which I would understand.

But if that's the biggest complaint about him then I guess he's doing OK. Unlike Senna and Schumacher, he's never wrecked anyone to secure a championship (whether they did or not I suppose is up for debate, but you can't even allege that Lewis has). And he owns up to his mistakes when he does wreck someone like the incidents with Albon.
 

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