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F1: Provisional 2021 Calendar

Charlie Lockwood

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Spa is quite boring track.
I'm just going to leave this here...
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And then, there's the matter of the GP of Saudi Arabia. This is from the same sport that proclaims that they "race as one" and want to end "racism". Yes, guys, go to one of the most backward thinking countries in the world, where women has zero rights. opponents to the regime are jailed and flogged and journalists are murdered in embassies. I guess they would hold a race in North Korea if there was money to be made there.
Too bloody true!!!!!!
What next? Brunei?
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All this of course is predicated on the COVID19 pandemic just vanishing.
 
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Jason Chamberlain

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I think a lot of people in the future are going to look back at 2020 and think "damn, what a great calendar". I hope F1 sees the potential in "random" races, or at least having some races swapped each year. Like Nurburgring and Hockenheim but on a larger scale. Have a few races that always is the same, like Silverstone, Spa, Monza (and a few other), and have the rest being changeable. It might even make it easier for a track to host a race that way, not having to pay the huge sums to host each year, but every other or third year instead. Oh well, a man can dream...
Chain Bear did a good video about this. To summarize his conclusion, you need a few "heritage" races (Monaco, Spa, Monza, etc) and you need some "money" races to pay the bills. So even though the drivers and fans hate Yas Marina, for example, it's necessary. Obviously, that's where Saudi Arabia falls too.

He also had the idea of "random" races or at least rotating ones. I think that if we had Imola every year the novelty would wear off and it would just be Monaco without the charm or the yachts. But if we had it only every third or fourth year then it would still be fun.

The trick to any promotion is giving people what they want, but always leave them wanting more.
 

IceColdBeard_24

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:thumbsdown: tired of the same exact calendar every year...... at least 2020 was fun to watch and a proof you can do something different no matter what !
 
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Please F1, Imola or Portimao for R4! :cry:
The covid tracks don't really make the racing different. The teams will run a simple setup like the default on a sim game. Next year they will look at data from last race at the track and improve. Basically its testing with a race format.
 
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It's back to the uninspiring tour, couldn't keep one or more of Imola, Mugello or Portimao? On the positive side it sure does free up some weekends, to do what exactly is TBD.:cool:

Yeah that was why I voted a sad in this case, don't get me wrong, it's a good calendar of events but we are back to the same old same old and after the unique venues this year more of the same would be great way to spice things up.

He also had the idea of "random" races or at least rotating ones. I think that if we had Imola every year the novelty would wear off and it would just be Monaco without the charm or the yachts. But if we had it only every third or fourth year then it would still be fun.

I'm not sure if it's still the same these days or not but I think one of the problems is most of these tracks are built for F1 only (or F1 is the main usage). The problem with this is the track owners want crazy deals for 5 or 10 years to get their money back and to be "exclusive". This stops tracks being able to get onto the calendar for one season deals maybe.

I guess the other problem is circuit costs, if for example Portimao spent a huge amount of money on track facilities (by that I mean team facilities) to keep the F1 circus happy, they may have to want a multi year deal to get their money back. The race this year probably didn't need it due to the lack of sponsor guests, etc.

However yes I agree with both of you, purely as an example a British Grand Prix at Donington one year and a British Grand at Silverstone the next would be such a breath of fresh air but also from an attendance point of view, different races in different parts of the country could also helps attendance figures too.
 

Jason Chamberlain

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However yes I agree with both of you, purely as an example a British Grand Prix at Donington one year and a British Grand at Silverstone the next would be such a breath of fresh air but also from an attendance point of view, different races in different parts of the country could also helps attendance figures too.
There are a few places in the States too. I would really enjoy it if they came back to Watkins Glen, for example. I think that an F1 race at Road America or Road Atlanta would be great. Laguna Seca may be too small, but I think that it would be fun to see F1 cars going down the corkscrew.

But there are so many considerations. There's the whole business of being a Grade One circuit and all that entails. And then there are the financial considerations. Also, as much as I think it would be fun to see F1 cars back at Watkins Glen, I have been to that area and can say that it would make the traffic at Paul Ricard look like a motorway at 3:00 AM on Christmas morning. And, as you noted, there is the question of facilities. We planned to go to GP Canada last year and I was looking forward to seeing what I was going to get for my $250/ticket to watch the three days from the family section (on the backside of the track by the second chicane). I would have expected a fair amount at the circuit.

My point is that there is so much more going on than what happens on-track. It's very naive for us to take a sim racer approach to all of it. Sure, it's fun to throw modern F1 cars on the Nordschleife. If it ever drops for AMS2 some folks are talking about putting Copa Trucks on Nords. We can do all kinds of things.

I read so often "it's just about money." Well, of course, it is. Liberty isn't running a charity. Bernie wasn't either. Of course, I want it to be better and I want them on tracks that encourage racing in cars that can race close to each other. We should always want more from them. But we also should be sensible and try to enjoy what we get as well.
 

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Lot's of these countries have unresolved human rights issues, why we a racing there at all?
Because they pay a lot of money for the privilege of having F1 come there. I don't think that F1 is in the financial position to be too picky about this.

I'm not saying that this is right, but this is reality.
 
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Because they pay a lot of money for the privilege of having F1 come there. I don't think that F1 is in the financial position to be too picky about this.

I'm not saying that this is right, but this is reality.

Nah, **** that, don't accept that excuse. In 2020 they said they care about human rights, now I want them to care about human rights in 2021. Lifes over profits. FIA and Liberty Media have some explaining to do. The F1 community should keep pressing them. Every F1 reporter should ask FIA and Liberty why we go there?
 
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Jason Chamberlain

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Nah, **** that, don't accept that excuse. In 2020 they said they care about human rights, now I want them to care about human rights in 2021. Lifes over profits. FIA and Liberty Media have some explaining to do. The F1 community should keep pressing them. Every F1 reporter should ask FIA and Liberty why we go there?
I believe that all the #WeRaceAsOne and #EndRacism stuff is virtue-signaling. At least it is when it comes time to pay the bills. They are gambling that the money from places like Russia, China, or Saudi Arabia will more than make up for any indignation in the fan base.

Everyone's decision to click on their site, watch races, buy and sell merch, etc will demonstrate if they calculated this correctly. How much are you willing to give up? They aren't going to change unless it makes financial sense.
 

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So here's the question - if they take the moral high ground and don't race at these venues, how do you make up the budgetary shortfall? Where do you either make more money elsewhere or where do you spend less? And while you're suggesting this, keep in mind that F1 has to maintain the "pinnacle of motorsports" image with all the accouterments.

I think that the answer ends up being that you make a nice video where Seb Vettel asks us all "to see the beauty of it," but you still have to race at these places to pay the bills. Hashtags and T-shirts are pretty cheap.
 
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So here's the question - if they take the moral high ground and don't race at these venues, how do you make up the budgetary shortfall? Where do you either make more money elsewhere or where do you spend less? And while you're suggesting this, keep in mind that F1 has to maintain the "pinnacle of motorsports" image with all the accouterments.

I think that the answer ends up being that you make a nice video where Seb Vettel asks us all "to see the beauty of it," but you still have to race at these places to pay the bills. Hashtags and T-shirts are pretty cheap.

Make F1 work with less money. It's all too expensive und unsustainable at all. 800 to 2000 engineers to make two cabriolets drive in a circle? C'mon. The fact that they have to go to bed with dicatorships to make enough money proves that they are not the pinnacle of motorsport but rather the "whore of motorsports". Very expensive hookers.

F1 is supposed to be an engineering contest, not a money contest.
 

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Make F1 work with less money. It's all too expensive und unsustainable at all. 800 to 2000 engineers to make two cabriolets drive in a circle? C'mon. The fact that they have to go to bed with dicatorships to make enough money proves that they are not the pinnacle of motorsport but rather the "whore of motorsports". Very expensive hookers.

F1 is supposed to be an engineering contest, not a money contest.
And because it is an engineering contest it is very expensive. I don't understand how you can want it to be simpler, but also want them to be just as innovative.

You also need to incentivize teams to want to invest in this. If there isn't money to go around, then why enter a team?

How do you keep the incentive, but "make F1 work with less money?"

I think what you really want is IndyCar. That's a very entertaining series.
 
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Because they pay a lot of money for the privilege of having F1 come there. I don't think that F1 is in the financial position to be too picky about this.

I'm not saying that this is right, but this is reality.
If a nation has a track good enough and can pay money who cares. Human Rights violation exist all over the world. Maybe on a smaller scale. People with Covid are being treated poorly by medical staff. BLM protests are causing deaths on both sides of the argument. Motor racing is a sport and external politics doesn't matter. Governments have to fix politics not sports.
 
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Human rights don't matter when you're making millions. It's good business 101.
We all pay taxes and because the Government is corrupt they waste the money of us the citizens. I would not care if it went to Jobs, affordable housing like the politicians promise.
 
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