F1 | Hamilton Out, Who In At Mercedes?

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Please note I'm typing all of this while laughing because these silly arguments are neverending...

So in short:
If the sub wins, Hamilton sucks?
If the sub loses, Merc held him back, thus Hamilton sucks?

Is their any scenario where Hamilton is a amazing driver AND other drivers can be great too? It never ends with some of you...YES, THE CAR MATTERS, everyone with half a brain knows this...but likewise, no legendary driver could win in a Toleman or Minardi or current-gen Williams...What. Is. The. Point? Superior cars win races? Holy spoiler alert, Batman!

By the way, Barichello won races alongside Schumi on pure pace, but he isn't considered a legend and Schumi isn't discredited and is still the GOAT of modern F1 to many...mainly because, from the way many of you describe it:
1) Schumacher built every Ferrari car painstakingly by hand, every nut and bolt crafted with a master artisan's touch "Tony Stark style". Anyone else privileged enough to subsequently work on the car was called in first to have his hands be blessed by "The Michael" before even looking at the car.
2) Meanwhile Hamilton sat on his behind all year long and contributed absolutely nothing to car development for the past 8 years. Sure.

Anyways, still waiting for Schumacher, along with Senna, Prost, Hakinnen, Alonso, Mansell, Clark, Fangio, etc etc etc to be discredited based on these strawman arguments focused solely on the car and nothing else...not even gonna quote the "Lewis is scared" guy...LOL what?!

Wishing both Hamilton and Grosjean a speedy recovery. :thumbsup:

Caveat - I was referring to Facebook! Hive of scum and stupidity!

Mate, largly agree with everthing you say, just fed up of the "Hamilton is the greatest evah" comments I see all over the shop (facebook is APPALLING for it, equally appalling for the Hamilton sucks comments I may add). for the record I do think Hamilton is a brilliant driver.

If the sub win, of course that doesn't mean Hamilton sucks, Hamilton is clealy an excellent driver, and one of the best of this generation, arguably better than Vettel. But people bang on about the stats and that they don't lie, and the stats clearly prove the Merc is the best engine/chassis combination by a mile in most conditions. It's dominated like no other car in the modern era of F1, those stats don't lie. Not even the notorious Schumacher/Ferrari era was so car dominant, only twice was the car 1-2 WDC in the 5 years, in Vettels 4 year reign Red Bull had NO 1-2 WDC in the 4 years, Merc have had FIVE 1-2 WDCs in the 7 years of the hybrid era.

If the sub loses It's got nothing to do with Hamilton, but many of his "fans" will say it proves the car is not the reason he's successfull. I can guarantee it, it will be all over facebook like a rash!

I know the car has always mattered, hardly anyone wins in a dog of a vehicle, but when they do it's a clear sign of talent. Hamilton's never been in a dog of a car though. But the level of success and sustained success is usually the car, especially if both cars do really well, and like I say BOTH Mercs have done really well, unprecedented in the modern era of F1.

Most people who know anything about F1 know that it was more than Schumacher who built Ferrari into the success it had, it was Brawn, Todt and many talented engineers and designers in the back room. SAME thing with Lewis, but too many think that because he joined Merc and within a year they were champs it was ALL down to Lewis....it's those chumps I argue with on facebook. What turned Mercedes around was the complete overhaul of the rules set with the start of the hybrid era, Mercedes stole a massive march on everyone else because of that, Lewis had nothing to do with that Hybrid engine deisgn.

I don't think Lewis sat on his behind, but with limited testing nowadays the driver has less input than ever before. Schumacher probably put thousands of laps in testing parts and could really focus direction. Lewis hasn't been able to do that, his contribution is just not on the same level, because he can't, the rules on testing don not allow it.

Lewis will always be an F1 legend and a great, I just wish some of his fans would realise he's been MASSIVELY fortunate to be in the most dominany team and car for as long as he has. :)
 
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Give the car to Max and you know:laugh:
Mind you that depends if the car is suited to his driving style, I wouldn't be suprised if he juimped in and won immediately.

Equally I wouldn't be surprised if initially he wasn't as good, but over time he would mould the car to suit him and win.
 
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I dont think any human with an IQ above room temperature can even ARGUE car isn't important.
Raikkonen has gone from top 5 (every time he didn't spun/crash) to fighting with williams to not be last after the car change. If that doesn't showcase how much a car matters i dont know what will.

Sadly I go on Facebook and argue with chumps!
 
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another thread going did he deserve praise or not highway
 
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Time for the FIA to launch superlicences for women... or even a woman series... like in Science, and other relative male dominated sports/job... if women can be astronauts/Fighter pilots, they can be F1 driver... we have to close the gender war...

A women series already exists. It's called W Series and 2019 was a big year for it. You seem to lowkey have a problem with women in motorsport, otherwise you would know this.
 
A women series already exists. It's called W Series and 2019 was a big year for it. You seem to lowkey have a problem with women in motorsport, otherwise you would know this.

I admit I do not follow anything other than F1 at the moment... but thanks to you I will find more information about it... I do not have a problem with women in motorsport, all the contrary, I would like to see mixed championship where women would have the same chance to compete in genderless F1 championship... Like I said, if women can be fighter pilots or Astronauts, they surely can compete in equal term with men... if only FIA gives them a chance or a path more than few rare publicity stunts. In this regard, FIA is still a very patriarchal organization.
 
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if only FIA gives them a chance or a path more than few rare publicity stunts. In this regard, FIA is still a very patriarchal organization.

Lol dude, 5 minutes ago you didn't even know about W Series. Now your claiming "FIA is still a very patriarchal organization". Dude, W Series is supported by FIA.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
 
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When was the last time a woman competed in F1? my point exactly...

To answer your question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_Formula_One_drivers

To answer why: It's simple numbers and looking at where society is/was for the last 70 years (same with POC in Formula 1). In case you missed it: It was acceptable to be openly discriminatory against women and people of color for many things, especially during the first 20 - 30 years of F1's existence. That's not totally the case now, and women can surely climb the ranks now more than ever, but the talent and MONEY has to be there, and until then it's a numbers game like anything else (more men in the market than women). If they have Hamilton/Verstappen level of pace then that will help greatly, but we all know money is what really makes things happen in F1.

Having said that, Jamie Chadwick I think is very capable from what I've seen, she just doesn't have the Superlicense points yet to be offered a drive (currently at 10). Especially considering she placed 4th in Asia F3, between 3rd place Nikita Mazepin (who's at Haas next year) and 5th place Pietro Fittipaldi (who's driving for Haas on Sunday)...but then again, based purely on stats, Leclerc's little brother Arthur is seriously outdriving her in the same car and team in this year's Euro F3 (he could win the whole thing this weekend and get 25 points on his license), so who knows.

Anyways, off topic, moving on.
 
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To answer your question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_Formula_One_drivers

To answer why: It's simple numbers and looking at where society is/was for the last 70 years (same with POC in Formula 1). In case you missed it: It was acceptable to be openly discriminatory against women and people of color for many things, especially during the first 20 - 30 years of F1's existence. That's not totally the case now, and women can surely climb the ranks now more than ever, but the talent and MONEY has to be there, and until then it's a numbers game like anything else (more men in the market than women). If they have Hamilton/Verstappen level of pace then that will help greatly, but we all know money is what really makes things happen in F1.

Having said that, Jamie Chadwick I think is very capable from what I've seen, she just doesn't have the Superlicense points yet to be offered a drive (currently at 10). Especially considering she placed 4th in Asia F3, between 3rd place Nikita Mazepin (who's at Haas next year) and 5th place Pietro Fittipaldi (who's driving for Haas on Sunday)...but then again, based purely on stats, Leclerc's little brother Arthur is seriously outdriving her in the same car and team in this year's Euro F3 (he could win the whole thing this weekend and get 25 points on his license), so who knows.

Anyways, off topic, moving on.

Now this what happens when you fact check before posting. Live n learn people, live and learn.



I had to edit because I didn't spell check before posting ... ooops !.
 
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