Editing Pacenotes on Reverse Stages

[Pete Mull]

1. I would strongly recommend that before you start you make a backup of the complete ../Maps folder and it sub-folders on another partition of your hard drive so that you have a backup to restore from should things get screwed up.
   
   
2. The first thing to mention is that all of the standard tracks sit in the Maps folder of your RBR setup and most, but not all of the reverse tracks sit in the ../Maps/NS folder of your RBR installation directory.
   
   
3. You will see later that you have to move files from the ..?Maps/NS folder to the ../Maps folder because the Pacenote Editor was written before Rallyesim introduced RSCcenter2010 & RSCenter2011 and the NS folder. Pacenote Editor was programmed to save the edited notes into the ../Maps folder.
   
   
4. If you run RBRdll from a shortcut on your desktop you will be able to look at all the stages that are available in the standard setup. In addition to the standard stages you will see some of the reverse stages are there as well like Noiker II and Tanner II.
   
   
5. The fact that they are visible when you run RBRdll from your desktop means that they can be edited in the same way as normal tracks without having to move files around.
   
   
6. Where they are not listed when running RBRdll and only available from the RSCenter means that you will have to follow the instructions below to edit these reverse tracks.
   
   
7. Editing Reverse Tracks Available Directly from RBRdll.
   
   The first thing to do is to find the reverse track number and make a backup of the eight files that make up the reverse track. Load the reverse track and start the stage – run a short distance into the stage, stop the car and call up the pacenote editor (windows key + N). Click the Save button of the Pacenote Editor and take a note of the file name and directory where the track is being saved to (bottom of screen to the left). Noiker II is saved as ..Maps/track_55_O.dls. Exit the track and return to the desktop.
   
   Using Windows Explorer, locate the eight files in the ../Maps directory for the above track, copy them into a backup folder in case of problems in the future.
   
   Restart the stage using RBRdll from the desktop and edit the stage as per the Pacenote Editor Tutorial. Don’t forget to save your edits and restart the track to check that your edits have worked.
   
   
8. Editing Reverse Tracks Not Available Directly in RBRdll.
   
   The first thing to do is find the track number of the reverse stage that you wish to edit. Run the RBRdll and select the main track of the one you wish to edit. Start the main track stage – stop the car and open the Pacenote Editor and click the save button and make a note of the file name that is saved in the maps folder. Close the stage and exit RBRdll.Now make a backup of the eight files in the ../Maps folder for the file name that you have just got from running the stage. The date of the .dls file should have changed to the current date of your machine because you saved the file.Go to the ../Maps/NS folder of your RBR installation and make a backup of the eight files whose file name is the same as the one you have just backed up from the main folder. Having secured that backup then copy the eight files from the ../Maps/NS folder to the ../Maps folder overwriting the existing files.
   
   Because you have just copied the eight files from the reverse track to the main maps folder you should now be able to edit the reverse stage in the normal way but using the main track name.Open RBRdll and select the main track which now contains the reverse track information. Start the track and make whatever edits you wish to the track and save you edits before closing the track and exiting RBRdll. You can restart the main track again to check and amend the pacenotes until you are happy they are correct for you.
   
   Now copy the .dls file from the .../Maps folder to the ../Maps/NS folder overwriting the old one with the newly edited track information. You can now run the reverse track from the RSCenter just to check that your pacenote edits have worked.Now reinstate your original eight main track backup files to the ../Maps folder and run the track in RSCenter just to check that the main track is running correctly.
   
   
9. Reverse Tracks that will not Edit Correctly.
   There are some reverse tracks that will not edit correctly e.g. Falstone II and Frazier II. Falstone II can be edited from a base installation without RSCenter installed. Editing these tracks will be the subject of another Tutorial.
   
   
10. Workerbee's Explanation
    
    Note: The following is based on RSRBR2010, but 2011 shouldn't be that
    different.
    
    Well, I don't know what the RSRBR guys did with the pace notes (dls) files,
    but at least some of them seem to be screwed up (Falstone II, original track
    26, replaces Falstone track 21, is one of them).
    
    If you have the RBRDLL pace note editor on and activate the "auto select"
    feature, you will notice that the actual pace note calls and the notes shown
    on the left on the pace note bar are different. On the bar there are for
    example "bridges" where there is none etc.
    
    Have a look into the NS folder of RSRBR. The Falstone II pace note file,
    track-21_O.dls is 70k, the original track-26_O.dls is only 20k. This means 50k
    garbage.
    
    For editing pace notes of reversed stages I recommend a second RBR
    installation with a plugin capable of running and editing such tracks (e.g.
    TrainingDay + FixUp). There you would edit the original track (Falstone II,
    track 26) and copy the edited file track-26_O.dls from the RBR tracks folder
    into you RSRBR NS folder, renaming the file to the fake name track-21_O.dls.
    
    I tested this with Falstone II and it works.
    
    Pete, maybe you would like to incorporate this into your tutorial.

 

[Alastair Walker]

Pete are you doing a how to for all of this ?

Great info btw thanks for sharing.

Cheers Al

 

[Pete Mull]

Pete are you doing a how to for all of this ?

Great info btw thanks for sharing.

Cheers Al

Yes Alastair, I have a Pacenote Editor tutorial which I need to finish with a section on the Reverse stages (as above). Is what I have posted above enough or do you need further explanation on particular reversed stages ??

Peter

 

[Alastair Walker]

Pete as much step by step detail with screen shots and installation instructions as you can for me in the guide :wink: Once I get my head around it I'll be fine but the more info the better when starting out.

If you are using the 1 to 6 calls when redoing them I'd be happy to just try what you have done if you are going to make them available.

Cheers Al

 

[Pete Mull]

If you are using the 1 to 6 calls when redoing them I'd be happy to just try what you have done if you are going to make them available.

I have my numeric notes in a separate pacenote folder which I was swapping in and out as a test. I am happy to let you have a copy along with the .dls file of the stage so you can test them out for me.

I think that pacenotes are somewhat unique to each driver and was thinking that everyone would like to make their own.

What I was hoping was that other members would test other reverse stage changes and just report back on this thread that this method had worked with a particular reverse stage.

Pete

 

[Jeremy Loveland]

is it possible to change the reverse stage pacenotes without changing the original stage notes?

 

[Pete Mull]

is it possible to change the reverse stage pacenotes without changing the original stage notes?

I don't think so Jeremy although I will have a look at the files and post back. There are some of the reverse stages that have two sets of files and I'm unsure at the moment what purpose the other files serve.

Pete

 

[Aaron DeMarre]

I could not get this to work with Frazier Wells II, and I also tried Canyon to see if custom tracks could be edited. could not even find the files for Canyon.

Should also note that Pete is talking about RSRBR specifically here.

Edit: Disregard the above. The method I tried was taking the files from NS, putting them in Maps, then launching the *regular* track to use the files I put in Maps and trying to edit those. I did not try to edit the forward notes and put those in NS.

Sorry, need more coffee this AM.

 

[Pete Mull]

A word of caution here - I seem to have two Falstone tracks no matter which I pick. I'm going to reinstate from the backups and run through it again and check things out.

Pete

 

[Pete Mull]

I've restored from my backups and now have both tracks - I will retest tomorrow night and report back.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO BACKUP THE ORIGINAL FILES BEFORE ATTEMPTING ANY EDITING

 

[Pete Mull]

is it possible to change the reverse stage pacenotes without changing the original stage notes?

Having looked at this a little more I think the answer to your question is yes. The reverse tracks are in the ..../NS folder and the original tracks are in the ../Maps folder.

I've posted on the rallyesim.fr site to see if they can answer my question regarding the failure of edited reverse tracks to load.

Pete

 

[Warren Dawes]

Sorry, need more coffee this AM.

LOL, I need lots of coffee and maybe a few other drugs, just to understand what you guys are saying on this topic. :tongue:

I'm really hoping that, once you "experts" figure something out, you explain it all in a very simple, easy to understand tutorial, hopefully one that even an ancient ol' dinosaur like me can understand. ray:cbeat:

 

[Pete Mull]

LOL, I need lots of coffee and maybe a few other drugs, just to understand what you guys are saying on this topic. :tongue:

I'm really hoping that, once you "experts" figure something out, you explain it all in a very simple, easy to understand tutorial, hopefully one that even an ancient ol' dinosaur like me can understand. ray:cbeat:

Hi Warren, hope you had a good break - I've got one of the guys at rallyesim looking at the .dls file and once he's got his hear round what is happening then I will be able to post a proper tutorial on how this works.

Pete

 

[Alastair Walker]

Looking forward to this Pete,

I think it might be easier for Warren and I though if we just have you locked up with a supply of your favourite lager until you knock out copies for everyone in their preferred style. J/K



Cheers Al

 

[Pete Mull]

Looking forward to this Pete,

I think it might be easier for Warren and I though if we just have you locked up with a supply of your favourite lager until you knock out copies for everyone in their preferred style. J/K



Cheers Al

Are you just looking for an online navigator :rally::roflol:

Pete

 

[Alastair Walker]

Absolutely, Marti refuses to call notes for a sim, I haven't figured out how to bribe her into it yet.

I have copies of the notes I use and all the symbols and terms if you're looking for a gig :rally:

100 6L > into 5R 350 D.C.


I can just see it now a market opening up for co drivers with everyone vying for the job with Sebastian
Cheers Al

 

[Pete Mull]

I've had word back from Phil63 on the rallyesim forum that editing reverse stages doesn't work on all reverse stages including the Falstone II stage that I was trying. I'm going to do a test and find one that it works on then I will post a full tutorial in my first post on this thread.


Pete

 

[John Cunningham]

I cant wait....

 

[Aaron DeMarre]

Thanks Pete, I had a feeling that might be the case.

Looking forward to your tutorial, thanks for all the work figuring this stuff out.

 

[WorkerBee]

I've had word back from Phil63 on the rallyesim forum that editing reverse stages doesn't work on all reverse stages including the Falstone II stage that I was trying. I'm going to do a test and find one that it works on then I will post a full tutorial in my first post on this thread.
Pete

Note: The following is based on RSRBR2010, but 2011 shouldn't be that
different.

Well, I don't know what the RSRBR guys did with the pace notes (dls) files,
but at least some of them seem to be screwed up (Falstone II, original track
26, replaces Falstone track 21, is one of them).

If you have the RBRDLL pace note editor on and activate the "auto select"
feature, you will notice that the actual pace note calls and the notes shown
on the left on the pace note bar are different. On the bar there are for
example "bridges" where there is none etc.

Have a look into the NS folder of RSRBR. The Falstone II pace note file,
track-21_O.dls is 70k, the original track-26_O.dls is only 20k. This means 50k
garbage.

For editing pace notes of reversed stages I recommend a second RBR
installation with a plugin capable of running and editing such tracks (e.g.
TrainingDay + FixUp). There you would edit the original track (Falstone II,
track 26) and copy the edited file track-26_O.dls from the RBR tracks folder
into you RSRBR NS folder, renaming the file to the fake name track-21_O.dls.

I tested this with Falstone II and it works.

Pete, maybe you would like to incorporate this into your tutorial.