Automobilista 2 is getting better and better.

Hi !

I have been a AMS2 user from the early beginning and it is really stunning to see
the sim developing to one of the most impressive sim's ever.

Graphics and gameplay have massively improved since the last updates.

The "live weather" and "historic weather" is really unique and awesome !

like to see some new impressions ?
Have a look at my channel for some quick racing action in AMS2 newest version in
4K with maximum details and 60fps (video language in german)

I am very interested for your opinion on the "new" AMS2

Cheers and have a nice day !

Just2Laps
 
This thread is about “AMS2 is getting better and better” and the OP seemed to be wanting to talk about how to enjoy the sim. Even naysayers seem to mostly admit that there have been incremental improvements, but somehow feel compelled to say “maybe it is better but not better enough”. Fair enough, everyone has their priorities and preferences… however.

The internet is chock full of negativity if you want to seek it out, and if I wanted to complain about what's wrong with AMS2 there are plenty of threads about precisely that to engage in. Why derail a positive thread with complaints and arguments when it just lowers the mood of people looking for a good time with their sim, who are trying to share enjoyment about the things that the sim does do well.

I come to a thread like this to hear about good car/track combos from players who have found some hidden gem, or get suggestions for what older content is worth revisiting. We all know the sim has faults, but that was the case for most of the AMS1 dev cycle as well and not only did it turn out pretty good, it was a pretty fun sim even when it wasn't in its final state, provided you figured out how to get the most out of it.
 
I dont think anyone wants to censor constructive criticism. It is the people that just keep repeating the same thing, a lot of the time it is just an opinion, and the others that like their comments, that do my head in. It is the same little toxic group.

Why? Why keep coming back, time and time again to **** on a title if you dont like it? Could it be they are just trolls wanting to provoke a response? If so, good, get rid of them, censorship be damned.

If someone is enjoying something, what sort of person tries to lessen that experience, by challenging their opinion?

Im not a fan of a few sims out there, but I dont go to their forums and heap crap on them. Who has the bloody time?
 
Censoring is not the answer, their own words will cause their mental pain in time. How do we know their intentions if we Censor them? How do we identify good from bad if we sensor people? Censorship is not the answer. Debate and ignore ignorance is. I'm sure they can learn something from this Discussion & push back from reasonable people, Censoring , they won't learn anything and it will create more underground hatred in society.
I understand your concern. But its stifling other people from speaking and engaging in meaningful conversation. By griefing and trolling forums, its constructively censoring others, hijacking topics and causing toxicity. This is more damaging that what you think. Anyone with the right mind would leave this forum. All value in this is lost.
In principle you may be right, but in reality, lines can be crossed.
The integrity of any forum is jeopardized if its the loudest most persistent people that never let others engage in topics.
 
That's why I was banned. For saying he is allowed to say that.
So you want to hijack the next thread now?
You got banned (not even perma) for continuously showing hostile attitude against/towards other people. Your wall of texts are not the reason. Or saying, what is allegedly not allowed to say. <- If this would be a reason, i would've been banned 5 times by now since AMS2 released.

Nobody is censored. Bullying has no room to waste bandwidth and i hope you learn from it!
 
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Being annoying doesn’t make a person‘s opinion any less valid. As I said in an earlier post, if you ban someone who hasn’t actually broken the forum rules your’e setting a very dangerous precedent. People will be afraid of voicing their opinion.
Since I'm the one who instigated the ban, I feel I'd like to answer that point.
The biggest moan I get from members is threads being derailed by people repeating the same things over in various posts relating to a particular game.
When someone enters threads and posts walls of text time after time and continues to do so after being asked several times to stop it, then giving some some time away probably benefits everyone.
Members have ample time to voice their opinions, a quick glance over the forums shows that. Personally and in my own defence I never take banning lightly and also never do it anonymously or without warning.
Finally he's only temporarily banned from replying here he still has full access to the site.
 
I can only speak for myself, but I’m not trying to use the stats as a cudgel. I’m just pointing out the reality of the situation. The fact remains that numbers are low, relatively speaking.


Unless you have access to some hidden data unavailable to the rest of us, that just doesn’t seem to be the case. Take a look at the stats since the release of the game (https://steamcharts.com/app/1066890 - the “All” option above the chart). Apart from the odd post-update peak, the average numbers appear to be gradually trailing off rather than growing. Correct me if I’m wrong, but since AMS2 is exclusively a Steam game, any time someone runs a game (other than specifically in off-line mode) they’re seen by Steam as an active player. It doesn’t matter whether you’re a single player or in a league, you’re still an active player and the stats reflect this. There appears to be a small, dedicated group of loyal followers who regularly play the title but that group doesn’t look to be growing.

The steam numbers are low, that's a fact, but its never had good steam numbers, so the info is not new. There's no MPRS and no single player content beside TT mode. Its a sim people log on, do an AI race, maybe do some hot lapping and log out. Several leagues I know, however, have doubled in size of the past few months, drawing more interest from players from other sims. In my own community, there are dozens of people that reaaally know what they are talking about from RL car physics, to game development, to FFB, you name it. Much smarter than me in fact.

We actually just help a guy who couldn't figure out a deadzone issue and was on the verge of uninstalling, and resolved his issue. And yeah, most days we don't know why the game hasn't increased in popularity. There's a reluctance to spend time in it from the sim community at large and we suspect that most of it is because there is a LOT of negative noise. Its tough to draw people who are interested in MP away from ACC, iracing. Its tough to draw others from RF2, RRE and AC. AMS2 has to carve a place for itself in the midst of this. But it doesn't mean its any less spectacular in a lot of ways. If you come into not immediately judging it based on another sim you are familiar with and like, and refuse to give it credit for things that it has that are or may better in the future, you just have to wait. Tons of people are already waiting. AMS2 is not even close to being done and it already capturing players, one by one, despite its flaws.

You can't force people to like it though, and that's the case for a lot of people. But I know that there are also a lot of people out there that may actually really like it, but are reluctant to put time in it. We'll just have to wait.

It may be just a perception issue, but early in the development of AMS2 the devs seemed keen to release DLC whilst there were still many problems with the base game being reported in the official forum. I understand the need to increase revenue but can’t help thinking that this policy is possibly why greater numbers are not currently playing the game.

Its already been explained that reducing content does not mean improvements come faster. You can't just have track designers stop work because the netcode needs improvement. They are different teams with different skill sets. Besides they just had two months of mostly updates and one car and one track released. Not to mention its a small dev, during a pandemic.


But how do you decide who is a troll and who is an informed critic making what they feel are valid points. If you silence everyone who is critical of the game, there’s less incentive for the devs to fix or improve it. Just because someone is aggressive and/or repetitive (and I’m not pointing any fingers here), that doesn’t necessarily make what they’re saying wrong. Apart from things like official stats or press releases, opinion makes up the content of most of the threads on this site. Being annoying doesn’t make a person‘s opinion any less valid. As I said in an earlier post, if you ban someone who hasn’t actually broken the forum rules your’e setting a very dangerous precedent. People will be afraid of voicing their opinion.
I believe this point has been addressed. But again, it has nothing to do with whether or not the opinions are valid. You're forgetting all of the other would be posters who come to a thread looking for a topic and only see that its hijacked, derailed and move on. What about them? I'll tell you, I joined RD and used to peruse the threads, but I stopped because everyone with a positive opinion about AMS2 got smashed and laughed at. The only reason I'm commenting here is because I'm tired of it and I feel like sticking up for other ASM2 supporters.
 
AC had a lot of that in the beginning, mainly from the old garde of the rFactor/GTR2 days, the "it's got nice graphics so the physics must be bad" crowd. There was a lot of that on the old ISI rF2 forums back in the Associat0r days if anybody remembers. Sim Racing was still more of a niche back then and there weren't ten thousand YouTube Channels dedicated to the thing.


If you block them you can't refute their arguments. That may not help you convince them, but it may help convince other people who are just reading along. And you cannot make fun of them, which is the biggest loss. Ridicule is often the best answer.
I understand this more than most.

The problem is the vast vast majority of repetitive AMS2 criticism is devoid of original thought and simply parroted from other influencer created echo chambers.

The most effective propaganda takes a sliver of truth, twists it and more importantly repeats it to shape a narrative.

This incessant AMS2 bashing from individuals who have made no reputation for themselves in any other context except AMS2 bashing is a telltale sign. But they are shaping the narrative. That's why we still see 'sim-cade" , "limitation of the madness engine" repeated confidently and anyone who is down with AMS2 instantaneously labeled as a "fanboy".

It is absolutely not the case in truth, but the sheer numbers of people who have heard this over and over again themselves, and then repeat it leaves a relatively few number of people who actually KNOW that it's not the case to refute EVERY forum thread that gets derailed because of it.

Its the mal-intent I have an issue with ultimately. If you enjoy another sim...go!!!...enjoy it, start a YT channel if you love it so much and have value to add. Otherwise, you are leaching on others.

Its so much easier to tear something down than create.

In any event, my message is...AMS2 is on the move, upwards, stronger every update. The next time you think you're driving the ultimate racing sim and tire management doesn't factor into your thought process the entire race...think about that...watch an actual RL race on TV...ask yourself how "real" your sims.
 
Im not talking about viewpoint censorship her fellas. Im talking about limiting those who are constantly banging pots & pans while others are trying to have a discussion and engage in honest debate. There is a huge difference.

Its totally appropriate for a host/venue to identify those individuals whose intent is to disrupt, harass, grief and engage in hostility and escort them to the door.
 
Then why is it not more popular? Numbers peak every time a major update is released but then gradually dwindle away to a few hundred again. The only way to interpret this is that those players who have been unimpressed with the game try the latest version in the hope that it will be noticeably improved - sadly, I'm one of that group.


How is that not censorship? If someone is not actually breaking the forum rules, limiting what they can post because some people don't like what's being said is the start of going down a very slippery slope.
The steam numbers are the latest cudgel of the day parroted ad nauseam.

Leagues I know have doubled in size bringing players from other sims and there are more public lobbies at different times than ever before even without a rating system or career mode. Frequently when I can public race there are people in the lobby chat saying how shocked they are at how good it is.

My own belief is without a MPRS, people aren’t invested in session play. Its too easy to drop races. On top of this lobby creators are making long format weekends. Many people don’t have an hour for one race with no consequences so they leave the lobby and go grab a quick one in ACC.

Something good is happening behind these numbers. There’s enthusiasm with AMS2 and its growing. Perhaps slowly. But is growing

As far as censorship is concerned, yes. But im not advocating for viewpoint censorship which is what you are describing. Im talking about censoring griefers and trolls. Those that aren’t interested in playing, seeing it improve or know enough about the sim who are simply here to harass those that do for their own messed up self esteem. This type of behavior is not exactly righteous free speach.

im sorry you don’t like AMS2, thats a shame. Perhaps one day you will. But I can’t agree with your support of harassment.
 
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What asetto corsa in 2021? AI in AMS2 compared to AC is simply the best in the galaxy.
Its quite fun how fast it changed. I took a break for about 2 years and back then AC was the only thing talked about, well that and thrasing pc2(great sim too imo)
Now no one talks about AC lol.
Anyways AMS2 is better in pretty much all aspects. Ai is greatly improved like you said, they really race you
 
I hope you’re not implying that I’m “rambling on” - after my initial post I’ve just been responding to subsequent comments. It’s a shame that you think that someone politely disagreeing with other people’s opinions, and giving the reasons why, is souring everything.
No not you specifically, sorry if I gave the impression. I was talking generally. Politely disagreeing is alright, that's what discussions are made of.

If you care to look through the numerous AMS2 discussion threads, there are several rambly posts that are just complaining for complaining's sake. Reshaderacer was the extreme example, but there are a few that are similar, and it's tiring and doesn't contribute to anything.

If somebody has a grievance by all means voice it, but repeating it in several threads won't do anything but cause negativity and maybe even division.
 
Ahhh... someone saying ams2 is 'great!' and 'wow!' the best ever!

You must want something... the only time any one ever said any thing like that is when they wanted something.

1. to watch their video channel
2 to watch a video
3 to buy products via their links
4 to etc etc

Its never actually because ams2 'is great!' and 'wow!'

No. That would be difficult. Because its still not that good really. Its last gen type stuff, its got long standing issues - they chose to make it fun/simcade over realistic and there's clearly engine limitations. You might like the title but its got a long way to go and the level of hype you've attributed to it is plain wrong, pragmatically speaking.
 
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Ahhh... someone saying ams2 is 'great!' and 'wow!' the best ever!

You must want something... the only time any one ever said any thing like that is when they wanted something.

1. to watch their video channel
2 to watch a video
3 to buy products via their links
4 to etc etc

Its never actually because ams2 'is great!' and 'wow!'

No. That would be difficult. Because its still not that good really. Its last gen type stuff, its got long standing issues - they chose to make it fun/simcade over realistic and there's clearly engine limitations. You might like the title but its got a long way to go and the level of hype you've attributed to it is plain wrong, pragmatically speaking.
Wouldn't it have been just as easy to start a post saying AMS2 sucks instead of poo pooing on this guys post? I mean it's his opinion like you have yours. This is one of the things I don't miss about being an admin here anymore; constant negativity when there's really no need for it.
 
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