After 1.3 sometimes missing down-shift ?

Tobbe Bergman · Oct 9, 2015

I've noticed since 1.3 that I often miss 3rd gear when trying to shift down from 4th with sequential ( Paddles or stick ) ?
The gear stays in 4th and I have to shift again to get down to 3rd.

No problems with this in Dirt Rally

Anyone else having this problem ?

Jan-Olov Johansson · Oct 12, 2015

Stereo said:
I'm not sure how people have made 'quickly downshift to above the redline' a regular part of fast corners... are they depending on the automatic throttle cut that comes with being over redline to slow them down while keeping their foot on the throttle or something?

Probably, driving like that would not be possible irl so this is another good step in making AC even more realistic. I'm very pleased with this update. (all of it, not just this enhancement)

pristy27 · Oct 12, 2015

PicoBp said:
This actually IS realistic, happens to be built into most racecars that have sequential or paddle shifting gearboxes. Yeah, GT3 as well.

GT3 cars could have it, they are primary made for amateur race drivers, so it is made for saving engine but for example F1 cars don' t have it for what I know.

Stereo · Oct 12, 2015

Obviously the actual workings of F1 cars are a secret but considering they have various rules about making engines last (what is it, 3 per season?) and no rules about preventing downshifts it seems very likely that they would block downshifts that overrev the engine. The one speculative source I found on how F1 sequentials work did include 'if the rpm in the indicated gear is outside the range, the shift doesn't happen' since of course it's automatically blipping to make the shift happen faster and it won't blip above redline.

Kevin Ascher · Oct 13, 2015

Only after reading the comments I realized how badly this feature was needed.

Andrew Harper · Oct 13, 2015

Found this article on the GT Cup version of the Huracan.

http://www.autoengadget.com/2015/01/lamborghini-huracan-lp-620-2-super.html

Did have to smile to myself when I saw this sentence.....

"That said, there were several times tapping the paddles did not trigger a gear change, perhaps a glitch that will be fixed with further development"

Nope, you're just not doing it properly my friend

Tobbe Bergman · Oct 13, 2015

This addition is great once you know it's there !
Thanks Kunos !

Qazdar Karim · Oct 13, 2015

F1 cars do not have downshift protection.

Tobbe Bergman · Oct 13, 2015

Qazdar Karim said:
F1 cars do not have downshift protection.

Just like in real life

Qazdar Karim · Oct 13, 2015

Mikaela Andersson said:
Just like in real life

i think downshift protection is there on any car with sequential gearbox in AC 1.3 !

Stereo · Oct 13, 2015

F1 technical regulation 9.8.3 reads:
[...]
If an over-rev protection strategy is used this may only prevent engagement of the target gear,
it must not induce a delay greater than 50ms. If a gear change is refused in this way,
engagement may only follow a new and separate request made by the driver.

In other words, it can only reject the gear change, it can't wait until the gear is ready and then do the change. Exactly the same as how AC's system works. (rule works like this to prevent people just tapping 'down' 5 times and having it automatically shift down as the gears are ready)

And it's definitely allowed in the rules.

Tobbe Bergman · Oct 13, 2015

Qazdar Karim said:
i think downshift protection is there on any car with sequential gearbox in AC 1.3 !

I stressed the Exos quite a bit and didn't notice any limiter

Peter Klawitter · Oct 13, 2015

was needed and well implemented! (youtube videos say it all when you watch them carefully on how "racers" downshift cars!)

Qazdar Karim · Oct 13, 2015

Mikaela Andersson said:
I stressed the Exos quite a bit and didn't notice any limiter

Deleted: Wrong Information !

Tobbe Bergman · Oct 13, 2015

Qazdar Karim said:
This only means that exos drivetrain file is not using latest version header ... which may also mean that other features are not working too! like gearbox damage.

But F1 like cars are known to be able to handle downshifting really fast.

I have seen it lots of times in F1 races where they just smack in the gears like bam bam bam bam !

Qazdar Karim · Oct 13, 2015

Mikaela Andersson said:
But F1 like cars are known to be able to handle downshifting really fast.

I have seen it lots of time in F1 races where they just smack in the gears like bam bam bam bam !

Yes, but they have super efficient brakes too, the car slows down so fast that rpm drops really quickly!

I've just tested the exos S1, and i can confirm that it has downshifting protection!

Fernando Deutsch · Oct 13, 2015

F1 engine is way different from GT3. They can rev very high very quickly, while GT3 engines does not rev that high but are more torquey

Tobbe Bergman · Oct 13, 2015

Fernando Deutsch said:
F1 engine is way different from GT3. They can rev very high very quickly, while GT3 engines does not rev that high but are more torquey

Elementary my dear Watson, - Elementary !

Yapci · Oct 13, 2015

I didnt notice gear protection in the Lotus.

As casillo said: Learn to drive

Fernando Deutsch · Oct 13, 2015

Mikaela Andersson said:
Elementary my dear Watson, - Elementary !

Just trying to point out the evident. Some people may not realize this.

pristy27 · Oct 14, 2015

Funny is that you can not downshift from 1 to N when you are driving 20 km/h. You must break to 0 and then you are able to put there N. This is realy bad and it has nothing with reality, it is stupid.
You don´t need to protect engine when you are driving 20 km/h....

To F1 I remember that Maldonado last year or year before burned engine, because this downhift protection was not in F1 and because of one electronics unit for all is not very easy to implement it.