2020 Formula One Spanish Grand Prix | Discussion Thread

See that is where you Verstappen fans get seriously confused. Lewis is fast, but only when he needs to be. He's not trying to be the fastest guy on track, even though he is incredibly quick. However, Hamilton's claim to fame is that he is known for being a very technical and extremely focused driver. This is why Lewis can squeeze out three tenths where other drivers can't. This is why even though his teammates are driving the same car they can't, or that even though Red Bull had the fastest car during the Vettel period, Lewis could still clip both Red Bulls to take pole in any race, even if he didn't always win the race.

Being the fastest driver isn't going to win races, and if that's all that you have to bring to the table, you aren't going to win. You have to have the talent, and the skill. You have to be shrewd, and patient, and Lewis is the COMPLETE package because he possesses all of those attributes. This is also what makes other drivers, and fans alike very envious.
That is right you have to pace yourself and look after the power unit. Alain Prost won 4 tittles by winning the race in the slowest time. Its hard to get your head around how he won so many races.
Its like a sprinter in a marathon, He has the mentality to go fast the entire event and he will probably loose out in the final stages.
 
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Would agree that the generated rating lists can't be taken very seriously. It is futile trying to compare 80s driver performance with 2020s drivers. For example it isnt believable that prost is a worse driver than some of those 2nd tier drivers around 8-15. No Mansell.. huh, that says all you need to know about this algorithm effort. Sorry.
 
Would agree that the generated rating lists can't be taken very seriously. It is futile trying to compare 80s driver performance with 2020s drivers. For example it isnt believable that prost is a worse driver than some of those 2nd tier drivers around 8-15. No Mansell.. huh, that says all you need to know about this algorithm effort. Sorry.
Different cars, Different rules, Different technology or lack of. I would love to see a event with talent young and old. But the older drivers may not pass the health check.
 
If that's the case that's not the numbers fault, that's a lie, hidden in numbers.
5=5=10 never 11
The only way to do this is determine the average. Because points scored and number of events will come into play. So you have a percentage. But in the 50s to 70s there was less reliability . 80s to 2000 it came up and in the modern eara it is rare to see a cars mechanics fail. We know more about cars and build parts stronger and lighter. And safety is such a big factor today.
 
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Swap Kovalainen with Hakkinen and you have a pretty believable list, certainly I expected a lot more anomalies from this sort of purely numerical exercise with its limitations, but it seems like a promising start. Also this list is all about qualifying performance, races are not counted, which explains a little bit why Kovalainen is there in the first place.
 

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That list doesn’t look to bad, since it is only about qualifying. Although, it looks weird to have a lot of 2020 drivers. Maybe because gaps between teammates before were larger, as drivers made a bit more difference than today.
I really miss Mansell, Hakkinen and maybe even Damon.
 
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That is right you have to pace yourself and look after the power unit. Alain Prost won 4 tittles by winning the race in the slowest time. Its hard to get your head around how he won so many races.
Its like a sprinter in a marathon, He has the mentality to go fast the entire event and he will probably loose out in the final stages.
Yeah, Prost was one of those methodical guys that you loved to watch during a race because you couldn't figure him out. I always equated him with an American baseball pitcher who strikes out batters with nothing more than fastballs and change ups. He was very deceptive behind the wheel, which is why he is deservedly one of the few greatest of all time.

There are a lot of great French drivers, but he's my most admired from France. The professor was a spot on name for him.
 
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This type of ranking is nonsense. Numbers do lie, politicians (among others) use them everyday to that effect.
Official F1 numbers that don't lie, and from the Official F1 site. What's more these are numbers calculated by super computers - like it or not.
 
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Too bad you've missed the F1 races since Verstappen is racing in F1. I advice you to start watching. It's supernice to see him driving if you ask me. :)

Thought you might like to see this from the official F1 site, and calculated by super computers. These are official number regarding who is fastest all-time, and not just today.
 
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Thought you might like to see this from the official F1 site, and calculated by super computers. These are official number regarding who is fastest all-time, and not just today.

How is Verstappen that close to Hamilton? If that is your prove, you was wrong about how bad and slow he is. Makes sense how lots of people comparing them. Also both Vettel and Leclerc are topping Bottas. How could Bottas ever be a no1 driver in any other team then Mercedes, if both Ferrari drivers and Verstappen are faster according to your source? Looks like he has Hamilton, Ferrari and Verstappen in front of him. Not really a change to be the no.1 driver in those teams. He is more close to Kubica, then them.
 
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AI / algorithms etc takes a team of human operators to make it work (or not..); for example there's a lot of controversy here about algorithm student grades which has turned out farcical.
There's probably a disproportionate number of 2020 inclusions there to try and generate hype about the current pilots
That's a f1 (by new American owners) commissioned effort after all.
 
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How is Verstappen that close to Hamilton? If that is your prove, you was wrong about how bad and slow he is. Makes sense how lots of people comparing them. Also both Vettel and Leclerc are topping Bottas. How could Bottas ever be a no1 driver in any other team then Mercedes, if both Ferrari drivers and Verstappen are faster according to your source? Looks like he has Hamilton, Ferrari and Verstappen in front of him. Not really a change to be the no.1 driver in those teams. He is more close to Kubica, then them.
People aren't comparing them because they are anything alike. Verstappen is fast, not as fast as Lewis but fast. The problem with Verstappen after coming to the conclusion that he is quick, you quickly find that there is nothing else except that he is quick. Hamilton has a package of strengths that put him where he is today. Quickness, and slowness when needed, patience, wheel to wheel driving, exceptional tire management skills. He;s the absolute best in the wet stuff, and no one comes close. The guy is amazing. Then you have the fact that some put him in front of both Senna and definitely in front of Schumi because unlike them he has always been a very clean driver.

Bottom line though, you said that Verstappen was quicker when I just knew that he wasn't. That is what I mean when I say that Verstappen fans just make crap up to make him look great. That boy couldn't hold Hamilton's helmet for him.
 
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Would agree that the generated rating lists can't be taken very seriously. It is futile trying to compare 80s driver performance with 2020s drivers. For example it isnt believable that prost is a worse driver than some of those 2nd tier drivers around 8-15. No Mansell.. huh, that says all you need to know about this algorithm effort. Sorry.
The article clearly says it is about qualifying results only.
Prost was better racer than qualifier it seems.
 
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People aren't comparing them because they are anything alike. Verstappen is fast, not as fast as Lewis but fast. The problem with Verstappen after coming to the conclusion that he is quick, you quickly find that there is nothing else except that he is quick. Hamilton has a package of strengths that put him where he is today. Quickness, and slowness when needed, patience, wheel to wheel driving, exceptional tire management skills. He;s the absolute best in the wet stuff, and no one comes close. The guy is amazing. Then you have the fact that some put him in front of both Senna and definitely in front of Schumi because unlike them he has always been a very clean driver.

Bottom line though, you said that Verstappen was quicker when I just knew that he wasn't. That is what I mean when I say that Verstappen fans just make crap up to make him look great. That boy couldn't hold Hamilton's helmet for him.

But Verstappens' pace is that fast, 0.005+ compared to Hamilton and is 22 years old. Imagine how fast his real true pace is, considering what all he is doing wrong according to you.
 
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But Verstappens' pace is that fast, 0.005+ compared to Hamilton and is 22 years old. Imagine how fast his real true pace is, considering what all he is doing wrong according to you.
Oh don't be silly you goose! I didn't say that the was doing anything right or wrong, I was simply telling you all the other skills that he doesn't possess.
 
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Oh don't be silly you goose! I didn't say that the was doing anything right or wrong, I was simply telling you all the other skills that he doesn't possess.

Don't you think it's a funny chart either? So much current drivers. Also Kubica faster then Prost.

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Don't you think it's a funny chart either? So much current drivers. Also Kubica faster then Prost.
Prost was deceptively fast, and speed was not his greatest strength. Prost was calculating and methodical about scoring just enough of the points that he needed to win. He was a great wheel to wheel driver also which is why he could sometimes hang with Senna in competition. I keep telling you that speed alone isn't going to win races.
 
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