2020 Formula One Sakhir Grand Prix | Discussion Thread

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Lewis was winning the race and driving beautifully until the team make the mistake of putting their driver on soft tires during an extremly wet German GP. The mistake was made by the Mercedes team. Bottas, Leclerc, and even Perez who has a kind of talent for built-in traction control crashed out on wet tires.

Lewis was winning the race and driving masterfully until the team made the mistake of putting him on softs during a particularly wet time in the race. Later the track dried enough for softs, but everyone went back to the intermediate tires when they saw the mayhem that ensued. The mistake was made by the Mercedes team. Bottas, Leclerc, and even Perez who has a kind of talent for a built-in traction control crashed out on wet tires.

If you believe that its fine and I am happy for you
 

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I didn't see it that way at all. Stroll simply pointed, rightfully, that he took a broken team and turned it around and the results are now obvious. You may hate the guy, for some reason, but there's no denying that he has succeeded in everything he has tried so far. He went into business and became a billionaire and now he's the head of a F1 team that has won a race. Of course there's an element of luck, but Perez drove a perfect race, the team made the right calls in the pits, in other words, they didn't make a mistake, unlike Mercedes who f*cked up big time, so Perez and RP deserve to win.

If you feel like Stroll was bragging, I say cut the guy some slack: he's just won his first race so let him have his 24 hours of glory. He knows full well that if we get a "normal" race next week, it will be another Mercedes 1-2.

He purchased Mercs 2019 championship winning car....skills...

Worse than that, Toto has shares in Aston Martin now and RP just so happen to have loads of benefits from Team Merc.
And next year the team is Aston Martin......... Hmmmm, totally legit...
 
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Just wanted to say that for me it was a difficult race to watch on so many levels now the season is near to its end.
Perez NEEDS to be in F1, whether it’s next year or 2021.
Russell showed his heart today and the way he handled what happened is expected and done very well.
I feel bad for Bottas, one of the most likeable guys in F1.
Verstappen was unlucky mistaking black gravel as tarmac.
Leclerc make basic error on lap one but he is a future champion for sure (in the right car obviously).
The track provides great racing actually, F2 was pretty decent there and F1 didn’t disappoint so I’d like to see it again next year.
 
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Lewis didn't have the best car in Turkey and he destroyed the field with perfection, which is why he wins. He doesn't make mistakes. The best drivers get the best cars because they are the best drivers. It's the same for every driver who has won championships. The difference with Lewis is he is the most consistent. McLaren was a mess of a team, and if they had listened to Lewis they may have won more, but they did not and that is why he had to leave. McLaren was a poor mismanaged team.

P.S. Look at these guys who give "haha" replies but have nothing to dispute my comments. It's their hallmark and a distinguishing trait of those who seek to diminish what Hamilton has done.
yeah, ok.
 

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The track never dried out, and it was still a track that was like driving on a mirror. Other drivers were either performing pirouettes or driving on eggshells. Lewis however showed why he is the best in in the wet, and in changing conditions. Lewis did what Lewis does, control the pace of his race - period.
yeah, ok, but we want to discuss Sakhir Gp 2020
 

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Lewis didn't have the fastest car that weekend because he didn't take pole, and he is the all-time pole leader. Even more so, he didn't have the best performing car that weekend either. He just took the thing by its throat and made it work for him, that's what he does. Okay, I don't know how many times that I have to say this to you people, but no driver wins without a winning car. The only question is how consistent can you be as a driver, and Lewis is extremely consistent.

I like Vettel, but he can only win in a certain kind of winning car, and under a certain set of conditions within the team that suits him. He can't win when he is placed under extreme pressure even with a winning car, but Lewis does win when placed under any on track pressure. Plus Lewis go through an evolution every year. Plus Lewis has faced tougher teammates than even Schumacher. He has had more championship winning teammates to face and has mostly came out on top every time. Even Wolff has admitted that 2016 was a bad year for Lewis because of a bad engine he had that year.


But it wasn't just one bad engine, it was several - and only that season hmmmm. If your only point is about the fastest car, then I'm afraid you know little about the history of the sport.


As far as whatever else you are talking about I can't tell.
Let's face it, today's race has really hurt Hamilton worshippers.
 
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What does "my findings" mean exactly? My findings say that Russell should have at least come in second place but he didn't because he didn't look out for his car. Lewis just doesn't roll over things on track and that is what wins races. We can all have our own "findings" but it doesn't mean a thing without actual proof. You're telling me that some kid is quicker than the all-time pole leader, and all-time race winner. Tell you what, take your "findings" and get bent yo.

Russel drove away from Bottas like Hamilton does every weekend. He could have won the race without a doubt. It's better for anyone (but Mercedes) that the cars equalize. Because lots of people don't think Hamilton is such a GOAT, since his only rival is his team mate. And today, someone showed it's not that hard to beat Bottas. I know Hamilton is a great / superb driver, but people can't help he doesn't have actual competition, so he could actually show more of his talent.
 
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Russel drove away from Bottas like Hamilton does every weekend. He could have won the race without a doubt. It's better for anyone (but Mercedes) that the cars equalize. Because lots of people don't think Hamilton is such a GOAT, since his only rival is his team mate. And today, someone showed it's not that hard to beat Bottas. I know Hamilton is a great / superb driver, but people can't help he doesn't have actual competition, so he could actually show more of his talent.
That's dumbest argument to make against Hamilton. First off Lewis would have been almost 10 seconds ahead of Bottas and not just a few seconds because he's a master of tire management. Now as for teammates Lewis has already faced difficult teammates to beat and even more than Schumacher did because when they came to Ferrari they were told that he was already the number one driver on the team. Plus no driver has benefitted from team orders like Schumacher did at Ferarri. Lewis has faced off against three WDC teammates in his career, one of them being a two time driver as a rookie and he handled him with ease. You guys are really running out of excuses. Lewis has always bested or equaled his teammates, and he's never had it easy against any of them.

You can't erase what Lewis has done so just give up, you're arguments don't hold water. He's the best driver statistically. He's certainly the greatest of all-time to myself and many others.
 
You can't erase what Lewis has done so just give up, you're arguments don't hold water. He's the best driver statistically. He's certainly the greatest of all-time to myself and many others.


There are many statistics that Hamilton doesn't lead, look it up:



He better accept that nice pay cut that Toto proposed him, if he wants to stay in what is now proven as clearly a very dominant car, that for sure boosted his numbers way beyond his talent alone warranted, so that people like you can sleep peacefully knowing that you support a "winner".
 
He purchased Mercs 2019 championship winning car....skills...

Worse than that, Toto has shares in Aston Martin now and RP just so happen to have loads of benefits from Team Merc.
And next year the team is Aston Martin......... Hmmmm, totally legit...

The 2019 Mercedes argument has been discussed at length before so I won't waste time on that one, except to say that imitation has *always* been part of F1.

As for the rest, you basically confirmed what I said: Stroll is an astute businessman and he made all the rights moves to improve his team. What better move than form a close working relationship with the best team manager in F1? I would do exactly the same.
 
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There are many statistics that Hamilton doesn't lead, look it up:



He better accept that nice pay cut that Toto proposed him, if he wants to stay in what is now proven as clearly a very dominant car, that for sure boosted his numbers way beyond his talent alone warranted, so that people like you can sleep peacefully knowing that you support a "winner".
He has the best statistics where it counts then, now does that ease your pain any? Lewis can drag contract talks out as long as he sees fit - he's Lewis after all, and no other driver on the grid can do that. Heck not many in the history of the sport could do it. You just mind your business about the next man's money son. Lewis knows what he's doing. Heck Mercedes is falling all over themselves to keep Lewis there.

Man the users of this site are desperate....
 
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Thats three weak team mates? Albon, Ric Gasly, ? Ric clearly not.. Max has proven itself. so not really a comparison.

Gasly and Albon win a lot in the junior classes

Bottas actually won a championship in a lower category, which Albon failed to do, but success in lower categories isn't very relevant as we know from case Stroll and others. Bottas has actually merits in F1 as well, destroying Massa at Williams. Albon shouldn't even belong in F1.

I maintained until yesterday that Bottas was just about good enough to keep his seat, but I changed my view about that now. However, anyone wanting Bottas to go and not acknowledging that Albon is at minimum as useless if not arguably more, is hypocritical.

This idea of not choosing the best second driver but the most complicit one or the one that pays most is destroying the competition in F1. Mercedes, Racing Point and Red Bull are all doing fans a disservice with their dumb choices and now it looks like the guy who just won a race is ending up without a seat due to this farce.
 
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