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2020 Formula One Italian Grand Prix | Discussion Thread

Who do you think will win the Italian Grand Prix?


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pcraenme

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Poor Albon, first he's given a car that is not suited to his driving style, now it has been revealed by Helmut Marko that he doesn't even have the same parts as Verstappen. This all goes for Gasly as well when he was on the team. It's no wonder that Verstatppen looks so superior to his teammates.

Like Gasly, Albon would surely start to find his pace again under the Alpha Tauri brand no doubt, because he wouldn't be handed a stacked deck from which to play.

Red Bull is a strange duck...
I think it is normal when there are new parts (e.g. a new front wing) that first the number 1 driver of your team gets that update. It's not only RB who does that, other teams do this as well. And such an update normally results in max 0.1-0.2 seconds. It does not explain the bigger differnce in lap times between Verstappen and Albon, which is regularly 0.7s-1.0s. Albon is a good driver, but not the same level as Hamilton, Verstappen, Ricciardo, Leclerc and Vettel (in his better days).
 

paracletus

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Honda and GM have just merged, could that affect their involvement in F1...
Trump's america taking over the world of motorsport :confused:
 

farjam

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Honda and GM have just merged, could that affect their involvement in F1...
Trump's america taking over the world of motorsport :confused:
What?!! :confused:

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Verruca Salt to win?!!! Really? Why?
Yo, you really made me chuckling for hours by calling Lance Stroll 'Verruca Salt'. Anyway, seeing your reaction to their post makes me straight out wishing that one day Lance Stroll went from Verruca Salt (from "Charlie and The Chocolate Factory") to Elektra King (from James Bond film "The World Is Not Enough"). I felt Lance Stroll needs to get out of his dad's shadow completely, otherwise people would keep seeing him as "Crown Prince", or "Daddy's Boy", or "Spoiled Boy" or whatever the hell is related to that sort of branding.
 

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It's like say the 100 meters in the Olympics...the Merc is Ussian Bolt, the Williams is the guy who comes 8th and well out of the medals.... he is still a bloody fast runner just to get there... but no one bar his Mum cares...
You're making a really fair point here, so please don't take this as outright disagreement...just adding some"counter color" here. A big difference is, once every 4 years, for a couple weeks millions of people suddenly become enraptured by who the world's fastest 100m runner is. Outside of that time window, broadly speaking, no one really cares. That's the magic of the Olympics. Contrast that with a major commercial spectator sport like F1 where the challenge is keeping 10's of millions of fans engaged and interested for months at a time, year after year after year. That Usain Bolt to 8th place gap played out over and over again under those circumstances starts to look more problematic as far as a keeping eyeballs on the sport perspective goes.
 
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Honda and GM have just merged, could that affect their involvement in F1...
Trump's america taking over the world of motorsport :confused:
Or Biden's USA, dude. It's unlikely that Trump would be a president again. Currently no US citizens wants him back.
 
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Props to all the vettel fans!
the one thing I've ever wished for Seb this entire season was , "For Enzo's sake don't make more rookie mistakes like spinning around on the track like you do on Austrian and 70th Anniversary GP". Not fanboying or anything, just giving respect.
 

ZuneGuy

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Go Lewissss....

Nice to see different team on the second row, and a McLaren, that is just wonderful!
 
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Enagee

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With Rebull complaining about party mode I thought they would be right there !!!! McLarens been looking good this weekend.
 

ZuneGuy

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I think it is normal when there are new parts (e.g. a new front wing) that first the number 1 driver of your team gets that update. It's not only RB who does that, other teams do this as well. And such an update normally results in max 0.1-0.2 seconds. It does not explain the bigger differnce in lap times between Verstappen and Albon, which is regularly 0.7s-1.0s. Albon is a good driver, but not the same level as Hamilton, Verstappen, Ricciardo, Leclerc and Vettel (in his better days).
I think that Verstappen looks good because the team helps him to look good. Gasly is probably an even better driver than Albon and yet he suffered the same fate on the team as Albon. You say that Verstappen is the number 1 driver but it's only because he gets all the benefits from the team where other drivers don't.

If I were Gasly and Red Bull wanted to bring me back into the fold, I would kindly decline the offer and stay on the team that makes me look good by offering no benefits to either driver. Alpha Tauri is giving both he and Kiviat the same fair chance to compete.
 
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pcraenme

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Great to see McLaren up there, so Max can fight with them and the pink Mercedeses, and maybe even Ricciardo. At least the race won’t be that boring for Max this time. How exciting would F1 be without Mercedes? Hopefully we see a good fight for 3rd place tomorrow. Without technical issues first 2 places are already clear...
 
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pcraenme

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I think that Verstappen looks good because the team helps him to look good. Gasly is probably an even better driver than Albon and yet he suffered the same fate on the team as Albon. You say that Verstappen is the number 1 driver but it's only because he gets all the benefits from the team where other drivers don't.

If I were Gasly and Red Bull wanted to bring me back into the fold, I would kindly decline the offer and stay on the team that makes me good by offering no benefits to either driver. Alpha Tauri is giving both he and Kiviat the same fair chance to compete.
I think we know you are not the chairman of Max’ fanclub! But if you think Max is not one of the best drivers on the grid at the moment, I cannot take you seriously. It’s fine if you don’t like Max, but having to repeat this over and over again here is just very annoying. I don’t like Hamilton, but he is one of the greatest drivers ever, so I respect him and are not constantly trying to bash him here.
 

ZuneGuy

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Why don’t you put a phrase in your signature saying that Albon and Gasly are actually the best drivers on the grid and way better than Verstappen? That way you don’t have to mention it in EVERY thread. Saves you a lot of time.
I think that you are confused. I have never said that Gasly or Albon were better than Verstappen, or that he was better than them. I have always said that Gasly and Albon never got a fair shot at Red Bull.

Now to help you with clarity, I have always said that Ricciardo is a better driver than Verstappen, but only because Ricciardo always beat Verstappen when they were teammates (silly me right).
 

muzikant

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I think that you are confused. I have never said that Gasly or Albon were better than Verstappen, or that he was better than them. I have always said that Gasly and Albon never got a fair shot at Red Bull.

Now to help you with clarity, I have always said that Ricciardo is a better driver than Verstappen, but only because Ricciardo always beat Verstappen when they were teammates (silly me right).
You are a troll time to time you replay your sound. Grow up
 

ZuneGuy

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I think we know you are not the chairman of Max’ fanclub! But if you think Max is not one of the best drivers on the grid at the moment, I cannot take you seriously. It’s fine if you don’t like Max, but having to repeat this over and over again here is just very annoying. I don’t like Hamilton, but he is one of the greatest drivers ever, so I respect him and are not constantly trying to bash him here.
Oh please man, this isn't about Verstappen, it's about crazy Red Bull. It's about Ricciardo, Gasly, and Albon and their time with the team. Ricciardo shined in his time there because the team was different then. Neither Gasly or Albon were that fortunate. I don't follow Verstappen so I have no opinion, it's just Red Bull that I don't understand.
 

pcraenme

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Oh please man, this isn't about Verstappen, it's about crazy Red Bull. It's about Ricciardo, Gasly, and Albon and their time with the team. Ricciardo shined in his time there because the team was different then. Neither Gasly or Albon were that fortunate. I don't follow Verstappen so I have no opinion, it's just Red Bull that I don't understand.
Ok, I understand what you are saying better now. I agree with you on how poor RB has treated its drivers over the past few years, resulting in Ricciardo and Sainz leaving the team and also the Kvyat, Gasly, Albon ‘carrousel‘. But I don’t believe RB is giving these drivers a worse car than Max on purpose, since that would hurt their constructor‘s WC. I think it is difficult for RB to fill the seat besides Max. They need a 2nd driver lIke Bottas is besides Hamilton, but that kind of driver is not available at the moment.
 
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ZuneGuy

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Ok, I understand what you are saying better now. I agree with you on how poor RB has treated its drivers over the past few years, resulting in Ricciardo and Sainz leaving the team and also the Kvyat, Gasly, Albon ‘carrousel‘. But I don’t believe RB is giving these drivers a worse car than Max on purpose, since that would hurt their constructor‘s WC. I think it is difficult for RB to fill the seat besides Max. They need a 2nd driver lIke Bottas is besides Hamilton, but that kind of driver is not available at the moment.
Red Bull had exactly that with Ricciardo. He consistently beat Verstappen every year, and he handled him well on track. After 2017 Red Bull refused to give Ricciaro a winning car to drive, now they're doing exactly the same thing with the current drivers. Why doesn't Red Bull build two neutral cars for their drivers instead of making Gasly and Albon drive cars suited to another driver. Mercedes would never do that which is why the two Mercedes drivers actually have battles, even though Hamilton is obviously the quickest in both qualifying and race pace, but at least Bottas is given a fair chance.
 
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I just watched Hamilton's lap and the highlights. If I ignore the fact that the sport is so one-sided and there are no fans it was actually a decent viewing.
 
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