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2020 70th Anniversary Grand Prix

Jan Lammers: The tire problems like Mercedes is caused by to much grip, tires are getting to hot, there the blisters are.
hmmm, could be :thumbsdown:
 
You are right. I am disappointed with Albon actually, I really had thought that he has what it takes to put both RBs in the frame. Just one RB, even driven by a special talent in Max, gives Merc much more flexibility on strategy. Max did do it all on his own on Sunday but opportunities like that are rare as hen's teeth against Mercedes.

Well, this has been an endless discussion since RB put Verstappen in their primary seat.
Any rider from RB's own stable will be exposed in direct comparison to Max. So the discussion turns back and forth which 2nd driver RB should replace in their puzzle. And now talks about a Gasly return. But even if the junior program seems (a bit) to vague I'm pretty sure RB will not deviate from their foundation and hire an 'external' top driver

I think RB is prettyhappy with the state of things. History has in general shown a consistent division of roles has a benefit, especially with an ace driver being a part of it. I'm not convinced that another B-driver from the RB program will deliver more points to the calendar compared to Albon, though he had been off to a bad season start. Think he will learn and catch up on it.
 
The tires just suited RedBull better today.
Pirelli mandated higher pressures to stave off what happened last week.
I'm not sure even if Mercedes started on the 'hards' they could have gotten it done.
The higher low-speed torque, high pressures and high down-force setup simply chewed through those tires... in barely five laps....for both drivers.
The RedBull's tires barely had any wear at the end.
 
Well, this has been an endless discussion since RB put Verstappen in their primary seat.
Any rider from RB's own stable will be exposed in direct comparison to Max. So the discussion turns back and forth which 2nd driver RB should replace in their puzzle. And now talks about a Gasly return. But even if the junior program seems (a bit) to vague I'm pretty sure RB will not deviate from their foundation and hire an 'external' top driver

I think RB is prettyhappy with the state of things.

They shouldn't be happy. They are the second best team on the grid and their driver lineup should reflect this. As long as they can't find a solid #2 driver, they will lag behind Mercedes in the point standings and maybe in car developpement, if they don't get good feedback from two reliable drivers instead of just one. They used to have a great combination of drivers with Vettel and Webber. Same with Ricciardo and Verstappen. But ever since Ricciardo left, they've struggled to find a worthy replacement. I don't know if this is the result of poor scouting on their part, but they should seriously consider signing an experienced driver to pair with Max. Perez would be a good choice: he won't beat Max, but he will deliver nonetheless and bring a good chunk of change too. Or maybe Hulkenberg?
 
Bottas definitely got screwed by his own team to give Hamilton the win. I don't think he'll ever be let win a championship with Mercedes no matter how good he is. Not unless Hamilton left the team at least.

Great to see Red Bull be competitive. If Albon could get better qualifying results he'd be a real threat during the race.
 
They shouldn't be happy. They are the second best team on the grid and their driver lineup should reflect this. As long as they can't find a solid #2 driver, they will lag behind Mercedes in the point standings and maybe in car developpement, if they don't get good feedback from two reliable drivers instead of just one. They used to have a great combination of drivers with Vettel and Webber. Same with Ricciardo and Verstappen. But ever since Ricciardo left, they've struggled to find a worthy replacement. I don't know if this is the result of poor scouting on their part, but they should seriously consider signing an experienced driver to pair with Max. Perez would be a good choice: he won't beat Max, but he will deliver nonetheless and bring a good chunk of change too. Or maybe Hulkenberg?

It would be embarrassing and a tough one to swallow for RB to admit their expensive junior program has failed. But I see your point.
I'm afraid Checo could bring trouble, though he'll ad experience, good inputs and money to the team. He is in his dime and seemingly trying to get the most out of the show. Remember the internal intermezzos with Ocon for instance. And Checo still wants to go forwards.
Hülkenberg seems a good choice.
But still I'll be quite surprised if RB decides to neglect their comprehensive driver program.
 
I just remembered Max is second in the standings eventhough he DNFed in the first race. Pretty impressive given the Merc advantage.
Albon needs to be better in quali it’s pretty evident he’s fast in race pace. That’s why I don’t think replacing him with Perez isn’t optimal, as his quali pace is worse than his race pace and craft which are both impressive. He probably would’ve done better than Albon In wuali in these few races, but there’s no way to answer that. Hope RB don’t Gasly him and give him a chance to figure it out.
Bottas: I dunno man got screwed by the strategy obviously, but he’s on the receiving end way too often. There’s just something missing. Even if the team is building the car for Lewis, he should try to adapt better to the car. Just my two cents.
 

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Bottas just doesn't seem to have that 'killer instinct', to me. It's very rare that he puts up much of a defense against a driver attacking him; generally he just gives in almost immediately :(

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Bottas just doesn't seem to have that 'killer instinct', to me. It's very rare that he puts up much of a defense against a driver attacking him; generally he just gives in almost immediately :(

You can't defend against a DRS + fresher tire overtake, or well you can by choosing the inside as Bottas did, but then you'll get passed on the outside. Happened to Hamilton as well last year in USA when Bottas passed him in the final laps. Without DRS he would have had a chance.
 
Bottas is so weak during a race, he only knows how to qualy.

Bottas is now in third on the championship, he has 8 wins during his 4 years on the DOMINANT CAR, while Max has 9 wins. Leclerc is actually closer on points to Bottas than Bottas is to Hamilton.
 
From what I could see Bottas was holding his own against Hamilton, maybe it was just a matter of timing but he got screwed in the second round of pitstops.
I think, I've never seen Bottas actually attacking Hamilton and beating him.

And that's in general, not talking about only this race, he's pretty weak during races.
 
I think, I've never seen Bottas actually attacking Hamilton and beating him.

And that's in general, not talking about only this race, he's pretty weak during races.
The problem for Bottas is that he's regularly told not to fight when he's behind Hamilton, but when the positions are reversed they are allowed to fight. I think Hamilton is still Mercedes golden boy, which is understandable. He's been part of the team since he was a child, I think no matter what Mercedes says about the drivers being equal, deep down they want Hamilton to win, he's just a better money spinner than Bottas. He's more established than Bottas, and he always delivers were Bottas is somewhat unknown.

It's a combination of emotions and business that gives Hamilton a slight edge inside the team. Bottas would have to be head and shoulders above Hamilton for that to change (IE: Leclerk/Vettel), but he's not.
 
The problem for Bottas is that he's regularly told not to fight when he's behind Hamilton, but when the positions are reversed they are allowed to fight. I think Hamilton is still Mercedes golden boy, which is understandable. He's been part of the team since he was a child, I think no matter what Mercedes says about the drivers being equal, deep down they want Hamilton to win, he's just a better money spinner than Bottas. He's more established than Bottas, and he always delivers were Bottas is somewhat unknown.

It's a combination of emotions and business that gives Hamilton a slight edge inside the team. Bottas would have to be head and shoulders above Hamilton for that to change (IE: Leclerk/Vettel), but he's not.
Exactly what happened last weekend. Hamilton was behind Bottas and they were told that they were allowed to race each other... that would never have happened if the situation was reversed.
 
Exactly what happened last weekend. Hamilton was behind Bottas and they were told that they were allowed to race each other... that would never have happened if the situation was reversed.
"we need to get the cars to the end, for the team".

I have been thinking about last weekend, and to be fair to Mercedes, Bottas got caught out by his position, he had a chance to keep 2nd, whereas Hamilton had less to lose by pit stopping. There was a certain amount of bad luck involved for Bottas. But I also think that Mercedes just didn't try as hard to help him out.
 
Well, this has been an endless discussion since RB put Verstappen in their primary seat.
Any rider from RB's own stable will be exposed in direct comparison to Max. So the discussion turns back and forth which 2nd driver RB should replace in their puzzle. And now talks about a Gasly return. But even if the junior program seems (a bit) to vague I'm pretty sure RB will not deviate from their foundation and hire an 'external' top driver

I think RB is prettyhappy with the state of things. History has in general shown a consistent division of roles has a benefit, especially with an ace driver being a part of it. I'm not convinced that another B-driver from the RB program will deliver more points to the calendar compared to Albon, though he had been off to a bad season start. Think he will learn and catch up on it.

At the moment not. I think there are some drivers at the F3 that have potential. For RB, I think only a driver from the current grid (or drivers like Hulkenberg) could do better then Albon. I mean, Red Bull didn't want Ricciardo / Sainz to leave them. So it's not that Red Bull did not have good drivers.
 
At the moment not. I think there are some drivers at the F3 that have potential. For RB, I think only a driver from the current grid (or drivers like Hulkenberg) could do better then Albon. I mean, Red Bull didn't want Ricciardo / Sainz to leave them. So it's not that Red Bull did not have good drivers.

AFAIR there was a certain reason for Ricciardo willing to leave RB. Stuff like this for instance
And RB don't wan't more of this in the future. So yes doing sort of well with Albon if they're to stick with their RB program. If not, Hülkenberg is a straight forward choice.
 
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