2019 RD MINI Challenge | Pre-Qualification

Discussion in 'RD MINI Challenge by Extreme Simracing' started by Bram Hengeveld, Dec 18, 2018.

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  1. rustyjabs67

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    Very grateful for the comments, advice and general help...You guys are cool its a real pleasure to be part of the RD community. So without sounding like a prick, I am soo pleased to note that I am not alone when it comes to 'MINI skating at Japan' lol....The frustration has gone thanks to all...time to tame this naughty little mini!!! :)
     
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  2. Justin Koch

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    SO.... not anyone can go on the server???
     
  3. Alex Townsend

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    Isn't it just meant for people competing in the series?
     
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  4. Dave Stephenson

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    Server is only for people competing in the league.

    Results will not be updated and publicised during the event. They will be compiled and published on Friday as it says in the briefing.
     
  5. Matt Le Gallez

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    Can someone restart the live timing please so that the people who haven't done laps know what to aim for?
     
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  6. Dave Stephenson

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    No. There isn't supposed to be any.
     
  7. Matt Le Gallez

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    I know there wasn't supposed to be any but a mistake has been made and it should have been left up. Letting a few drivers know what time to aim for is a bit unfair on the people who couldn't get on the server yesterday.
     
  8. TobiasR

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    No live timing? :/
     
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  9. Chris Butcher

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    How come? That seems bizarre given that most leagues have provided live timing for a pre qualification. I would say it's especially important given that points (and prizes for the top 3 at the end of the season) are awarded for it too....

    I don't want to start an argument on this topic, nor am I suggesting for a minute RD would do anything like this, but surely from an openness and impartiality point of view, it would be wise to show the timing? At the minute, there's no way to independently verify lap times, and it's just a case of we as the drivers have to take what the admins say as gospel. Of course times can be verified to a degree by all drivers getting together and checking (impractical given the number of drivers involved), but to be honest from my point of view, if RD staff are racing in this league, full disclosure should be the norm.
     
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  10. Frank Lehmann

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    At least i'd like to know (perhaps updated on a daily basis), where the current cut-off time is between division 1 and 2.
     
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  11. Dave Stephenson

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    I could equally send whatever spurious data I wanted to the liveracers server. What would be the difference? If I shared the results files, I could also have edited those too, who would know any different. Ultimately there needs to be a level of trust.

    The live timing only showed the top three drivers, and only for the current session so was essentially useless as a validation tool for you guys.

    If everyone does their best effort lap, what times others have done is irrelevant. I don't see how knowing how fast other guys are will magically make you faster or slower or change the final result.

    As I have always done for league events I will make server replays available.
     
  12. Jan Larsen

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    Dave, the guys that know they're fast dont care about their time, but someone right at the cutoff would really like to know whether they're 3 tenths or a hundreth off. It can make a difference of how much they want to try again.
    I understand your irrelevant argument but if I'm 1,5 secs off server 1, I dont want to waste hours trying to improve a couple of tenths. However, if I'm right at the cutoff, I'll do my damnest to improve. But right now I dont know. I believe its critical information to the participants and should be released if it dosent present a massive work overload for you or whoever is in charge.
     
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  13. Chris Shepherd

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    In my opinion, and this is only my opinion, you should use the live timing screen.

    Having no live timing makes it advantageous towards the drivers who have lots of time on their hands.
     
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  14. Matt Le Gallez

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    No it doesn't, it stores the fastest 3 lap times drivers have done since the server has been live. The fact that some drivers have been able to use it and others haven't should be enough for you to turn it back on.
     
  15. Bram Hengeveld

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    And that is exactly the reason why we didn't plan to use live timing. We want it be exciting from the start to the finish so if you are left in the dark the chances are high you will return for another attempt and so will your colleague drivers. I know I will later on today and this week.

    Secondly and this is the most important part. We as the organizers are now 100% sure that all drivers who qualify for the league are very well prepared. Everybody will have to master their MINI to make the cut instead of leaving the preq process after doing one fast lap.

    For the typical debate that has started again about full transparency (really?) what is the difference if you have all the data now or afterwards?. I really don't want to go into a transparency debate.

    We wanted to make this a fun pre-qualification but it's clear that the fun has been thrown out of the door already.
     
  16. Jan Larsen

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    I accept your strategic decision and will just drive the nuts off of it instead :)

    And lighten up Bram, there was no intention to derail the fun, I'm still having fun, but when there's great prizes and much hype building, people start taking things a little more seriously. Even me, and I dont normally do that nowadays :)
     
  17. Matt Le Gallez

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    We wouldn't have had this debate if the live timing was just left alone once you realized you messed up by having it on in the first place. But, as i thought, i've been trying to get blood from a stone for the last few hours so i'll take it as it is! Onward and upwards! :thumbsup:
     
  18. Chris Butcher

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    @Bram Hengeveld To be honest that's my fault and not what I'm trying to imply. I don't doubt you for one second, but you are an intelligent person and I'm sure you can understand the conclusions that potentially can be drawn by people that feel aggrieved. Please don't take my post as an accusation of malpractice, it was more intended as constructive feedback and my own opinion. I don't think this situation was communicated before Pre-Q began (please correct me if I'm mistaken, but if it was, it wasn't clear), we probably wouldn't be having this discussion now if it had been.

    To be clear, I understand the reasons for not having live timing, it does add an interesting dynamic. As such I hope this doesn't derail the fun, it won't stop me trying my hardest!

    I'll shut up now :)
     
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  19. Bram Hengeveld

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    No worries Chris. We don't want external live timing for a couple of reasons (legal and sportive the biggest). We could have coded live timing ourselves but we have decided to focus on other areas instead.

    That liveracers page should not have been live anyway as we didn't plan to use it at all. As a matter of fact I have contacted liveracers to have our pages there removed as I don't want real names of our members listed on a third party website we have no control of.

    There was also no mention of livetiming in this thread, the info thread or the briefing PM. But i can see why people want to have it, but we decided not to for this series.
     
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  20. BrunoMancebo

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    How I join to this races? I click on server password and do not see the server password. I need to register in some site área to join this race? Sorry my english i'm brazilian rsrsrs
     
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