Gran Turismo Officially Acts Against Wallriding Exploit

A bit more than 2 weeks ago, top esports Gran Turismo players raised concerns over an exploit that could be used to gain an advantage in the second round of GTWS Manufacturers Cup season 2, hosted on August 20 at the iconic fictional High Speed Ring track.

The exploit allowed people to go flatout in T2, wallriding without getting penalized for it by getting bumped by another car before the corner, to trick the penalty system by thinking it was accidental. Despite the public warnings of renown personalities of the Gran Turismo community, the event still went as initially planned, which triggered various approaches in different regions.

For context, the Manufacturers Cup is divided into 3 regions : Asia/Oceania, EMEA (Europe/Middle East/Africa) and Americas, who race one after the other in that order. Standings are separated into 3 leagues according to driver ratings at the start of the season, with only the top GT1 league being able to qualify for special online and live events. Following the race and various reports, Polyphony Digital reactively changed the combo for a following race, and implemented a significantly increased damage sensitivity for contacts with walls in the 1.20 update.

It appears they have now reviewed GT1 splits and decided to penalize players who used this exploit by settings their individual points to 0 for this round. Additionally, that round is now being excluded from the constructors standings, but only in the Asia/Oceania and Americas regions. The results will still count for the EMEA region: following a call on socials by multiple top players, every high split racer in the region agreed to not abuse the exploit, showing a display of sportsmanship that many observers didn't believe would be respected.

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As Asia/Oceania players were the first to enter the race, everyone there expected some people to use the exploit and nothing to be done about it, so pretty much every racer there chose to level with others. As for America's, players made an effort in the first slots, inspired by what happened in EMEA, but as no formal agreement was made, some people in the later slots started to use the wallriding strategy, resulting in crashes and general chaos.

In the official statement released in game and on the Gran Turismo website, Polyphony Digital also stated their esports regulations have been amended, with the following additions:

Forbidden Actions
  • It is forbidden for a competitor to simultaneously participate in the same championship and season with multiple accounts.
  • It is forbidden to participate using another person's account for PlayStation®Network.
  • It is forbidden for a competitor to intentionally support another player during a race where they are not part of the same team.
  • It is forbidden for a competitor to exploit unintended gameplay mechanics and issues found in the software in order to gain any type of advantage.
  • Unsportsmanlike conduct.
If players are found engaging in forbidden activities, they will be dealt with accordingly, including but not limited to being banned from the championships.
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Global motorsports enjoyer, long time simracer, Gran Turismo veteran, I've been driving alongside top drivers since the dawn of online pro leagues on Gran Turismo, and qualified for the only cancelled FIA GTC World Tour. I've left aside competitive driving in 2020 to dedicate myself to IGTL, a simracing organisation hosting high quality events for pro racers and customers, to create with friends the kind of events we wished we could have had. We strive to provide the best events for drivers and the best content for viewers, and want to help the simracing scene grow and shine further in the global esports scene.

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How about this then.

You have no right to tell me how I can and cannot drive a pretend race car. Stop writing 1000 word essays (too long didn't read) over something as stupid as this.
I have never tried to tell you how to drive. I have only stated that taking advantage of an exploit, no matter the rationale, is not ethical. Perhaps you should actively read those "essays".

You are the one who has not only called me a loser, but a Boomer. Both times you have gotten very personal.

I find your reaction quite telling.
 
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J
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Then don't get salty when the organizers disqualify you, because they DO have the right to decide how you should drive your pretend race car in their competition. How about that?
If you must ask, it's a bad decision because there was no rule prohibiting what anyone in the race did at the time the race happened. It's the same reason why I'll always say that Renault did nothing wrong; Crashgate was a tactical masterpiece, and the other nine teams were just mad they didn't think of it first.

But people on this forum want to write essays and act like I'm evil incarnate, because I decided to go as fast as possible in a race... where the aim is to go as fast as possible? Everyone who actually understands what the aim of motor racing is would do the exact same thing I did, and I find it extremely disrespectful that people are pretending otherwise.
 
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If you must ask, it's a bad decision because there was no rule prohibiting what anyone in the race did at the time the race happened.
Seriously, you don't feel that a deliberate contact to prevent the game from penalising a wall-ride is a clearly-cheaty exploit? :O_o:
 
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Seriously, you don't feel that a deliberate contact to prevent the game from penalising a wall-ride is a clearly-cheaty exploit? :O_o:
It's not cheating until it's in the official rulebook. That's why the rulebook constantly gets amended, so this doesn't happen again in the future, but retroactively applying those rules to races that have already happened is what I have a problem with PD doing.
 
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It's not cheating until it's in the official rulebook. That's why the rulebook constantly gets amended, so this doesn't happen again in the future, but retroactively applying those rules to races that have already happened is what I have a problem with PD doing.
OK wow. I don't understand this thinking, but I must accept that some people genuinely see it that way.
(If the deliberate contact hadn't been required in order to profit, I'd have seen this whole thing very differently btw.)

I guess PD have now permanently sorted it out though, with a bit of a blank-cheque approach... ("It is forbidden for a competitor to exploit unintended gameplay mechanics and issues found in the software in order to gain any type of advantage.")
 
J
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Just to clear things up because I think the article has given a lot of people the wrong idea of what actually happened...

The version of the exploit most players actually used was something you could do on your own, and required some level of skill to not hit the wall too hard and trigger the penalty:


The stronger version that the article paints as being more widespread, was in fact only used by two specific players, Veltro and Trust. If you want to get mad at anyone at all, those two are your culprits as they didn't make the exploit public like the solo wallride was. Even then, Asia accepted that they had found a faster way to complete the race, and was willing to let them have their victory until the European playerbase got involved.
 
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If you must ask, it's a bad decision because there was no rule prohibiting what anyone in the race did at the time the race happened. It's the same reason why I'll always say that Renault did nothing wrong; Crashgate was a tactical masterpiece, and the other nine teams were just mad they didn't think of it first.

But people on this forum want to write essays and act like I'm evil incarnate, because I decided to go as fast as possible in a race... where the aim is to go as fast as possible? Everyone who actually understands what the aim of motor racing is would do the exact same thing I did, and I find it extremely disrespectful that people are pretending otherwise.
The aim of any sport is to win WITHIN THE RULES doing what is the competitive part of such sport.

Renault Crashgate was against the rules ,because you can't RIG a result like that, and provocking a safety car situation to gain an advantage, planned beforehand even, is akin to rigging the result. They didn't win the race on merit, they did something that goes against the logic of the sport.

In the case of Gran Turismo, you couldnt do the exploit by yourself even, so you got help from another car and from the wall. So this is also akin to rigging, so its against the rules, EVEN if no rule is written for that specific situation. But even if you wallride yourself, you are obviously NOT doing the competitive part of the sport!

By your standards, if i pay the referee of a match to garantee me a win, i am doing nothing wrong, because there is nothing in a rulebook that says i can't do it, ergo, i am genius...

The point of racing is to DRIVE the car to win, not ride a wall.

Intelectual dishonesty doesn't get you far, and quite rightly, it was punished.
 
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If you must ask, it's a bad decision because there was no rule prohibiting what anyone in the race did at the time the race happened. It's the same reason why I'll always say that Renault did nothing wrong; Crashgate was a tactical masterpiece, and the other nine teams were just mad they didn't think of it first.

But people on this forum want to write essays and act like I'm evil incarnate, because I decided to go as fast as possible in a race... where the aim is to go as fast as possible? Everyone who actually understands what the aim of motor racing is would do the exact same thing I did, and I find it extremely disrespectful that people are pretending otherwise.
You are making statements that are considerably hyperbolic and only serve to undercut your intent.

While you write an essay...

No one thinks you are evil incarnate, they just do not agree with the moral ground you stand on while justifying actions that are questionable in order to chalk up a "win".

You are the one who has brought up any reference to evil, or someone else telling you how to drive.

Just so you know: Hyperbole is a form of dishonesty.

Another thing: The aim of racing, as with any other sport, is to win. But win within the rules. In road racing one of the rules is that you must stay within the lines of the track.
 
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You are the one who has brought up any reference to evil, or someone else telling you how to drive.
No, you're the one who brought ethics and morality into a discussion about video games and competition. Every single post you make is another attempt to make me seem evil and yourself righteous. You can now join Blerpa on my block list since you're clearly deranged.
 
Sorry, but we really have someone here attempting to justify a "pro player" (ha!) doing wall riding?

what's next, justify people running in the grass on iRacing?

In any LEAGUE this would be disallowed, just figure a pro event. We will need to write that is prohibited to crash against a wall in purpose? really?

And "no one" appears to know why racing e-sports never takes off.

Good luck attempting to sell this as pro simulation race and not Mario Kart with licensed cars for casual fans.

Also.. when will "pro players" stop to act like no one is looking? I mean, they just don't thought: "hey, this will be broadcast, people will see my car wallriding".. pathetic..
 
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No, you're the one who brought ethics and morality into a discussion about video games and competition. Every single post you make is another attempt to make me seem evil and yourself righteous. You can now join Blerpa on my block list since you're clearly deranged.
And this is what my generation has wrought: A generation who was told that they were not the problem, and now refuse to accept their own actions for what they are.

Oh, well. They will learn once they realize they have to live and work in the real world.
 
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Aaahhh but... we have teams in every branch of motorsport IRL looking for any loopholes in the rules that they can exploit to get some advantage over their opponents. Think back to the six wheel Tyrrell and the Brabham fan car; and more recently "flexi wings" and double DRS ( F duct and W duct).

Didn't some F1 teams have "water cooled brakes" that dumped all the water on the grid so they could run lighter during the race as the rules allowed them to top up the "cooling fluids" after the race.

The RACMSA "blue book" Technical Reg for Karting ( Section U 16.1.1 if you are interested ) has a catch all "if in doubt, don't" rule.
 
If the wall were 'ghosted' then wallriders would pass straight through... perhaps to a secondary but lower level catchfence.
On GTR2 The Gedinne track had a post fence on some of the corners... those really were ones to stay away from.

As for formula One, well it's been claimed that team bosses couldn't agree what day it was without looking for an advantage.
 
Aaahhh but... we have teams in every branch of motorsport IRL looking for any loopholes in the rules that they can exploit to get some advantage over their opponents. Think back to the six wheel Tyrrell and the Brabham fan car; and more recently "flexi wings" and double DRS ( F duct and W duct).

Didn't some F1 teams have "water cooled brakes" that dumped all the water on the grid so they could run lighter during the race as the rules allowed them to top up the "cooling fluids" after the race.

The RACMSA "blue book" Technical Reg for Karting ( Section U 16.1.1 if you are interested ) has a catch all "if in doubt, don't" rule.
Since when the wrongdoing becomes ok just because "most people" do it?

It´s amazing how hypocritical people can be nowadays.

If ethics is unimportant for you, I don´t care.

Just spare yourself the embarassment trying to justify your actions
 
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Motorsport doesn't give a damn about your ethics or your preaching.

Only two things matter, what the rules say as they are written, and the results.
 
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Just to clear things up because I think the article has given a lot of people the wrong idea of what actually happened...
It wasn't just this article - I went searching for confirmation from other sources out there and found it...
The version of the exploit most players actually used was something you could do on your own, and required some level of skill to not hit the wall too hard and trigger the penalty
...but yeah that changes the complexion significantly for me. It's still a very lame thing to do in my view, but it's now much easier to see how a fair few people could have made their peace with doing it and could feel genuinely aggrieved to have been penalised.
 
Motorsport doesn't give a damn about your ethics or your preaching.

Only two things matter, what the rules say as they are written, and the results.
Still, if you are caught, you get booted. Also, the FIA, or in this case PD, can do whatever they want with their own rules, and penalize whoever they see fit.

They dont care about your sense of injustice.
 
Nice to see that 99.9% of the community doesn't like cheaters.
The matter isn't whether something so obvious has to actually written into rule books.
It's all about integrity and honesty and having the common sense to know right from wrong.
 
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It's all about integrity and honesty and having the common sense to know right from wrong.
Where does "good and evil" even come into this? As long as people keep trying to argue from that angle I will keep refuting it.

Does riding the wall in a racing game to go faster bring harm to anyone? NO.
Was riding the wall an illegal act at the time the race happened? NO.

Therefore, it was not an immoral thing to do, no matter how many people come into this thread and make illogical arguments that don't make any sense in the world of competition. MAKE A RATIONAL ARGUMENT, stop bringing morality into it when attempting to win a competition is not an evil thing to do.
 
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