Fanatec CSL DD review


“Direct drive for a broader audience” – that’s how Fanatec describes its new CSL DD. Is Fanatec right? And is a direct drive wheel at the prices asked worth it?

The sim racing world appeared to be turned on its head earlier this year, when Fanatec released information about their new entry-level direct drive wheel. The internet went crazy, many proclaiming that all other manufacturers must now release direct drive wheels or they’ll be finished as a business.

Buy the Fanatec CSL DD (8Nm) from Fanatec.com for EUR 479,95
Buy the Fanatec CSL DD (5Nm) from Fanatec.com for EUR 349,95

Then, a few weeks later Thrustmaster announced the T-GT 2 – a wheel that would typically have been launched without too much of a buzz. But just a quick look through social media comments about the wheel revealed that pretty much all posters were slamming it because “It’s not direct drive” and “It’s too expensive”.

I haven’t driven the T-GT 2 yet, but at some point I hope do so. I have had the opportunity to drive the predecessor, though, which I liked a lot, and from what I’ve read and watched, this wheel is even better.

The CSL DD does put other manufacturers in a bit of a predicament, though.

Whether the CSL DD is any good is something we’ll get to – the fact that for as little as 350 euros you can now buy a direct drive wheel seemingly makes it difficult for the likes of Thrustmaster and Logitech.

Whatever wheels they bring out in the near future that are similarly priced to the CSL DD will be instantly compared to it, and for many, if the new wheels aren’t direct drive, they won’t be good enough.

This should be a good thing for you and me, the consumers. For quite a few years, the entry to mid-tier section of sim racing hardware has mainly been consistent. Yes, products are refined and new features come with the next iteration of a wheel, but in the main, they have looked, felt, and driven the same way.

This could of course be a flash in the pan, and anyone looking to buy a sub 500 euro wheel sometime in the future may not have direct drive in mind at all. But right now, in 2021, it seems that all wheels should de direct drive.

Overview​

The CSL DD is compatible with the Xbox and PC and comes with several options.

Parting with 350 euros will get you the hub in 5nm form and that’s just about it – you will still need to purchase pedals and a steering wheel.

The great news is that the CSL DD is compatible with all Fanatec wheels – so if you’re on a budget, you can use a secondhand wheel or borrow one from a friend.

For 480 euros, you get exactly the same hub but with the booster kit – which is essentially a larger power brick, providing the hub with more power and unleashing the wheel to its full potential of 8nm.

It’s important to note that the table clamp is an additional accessory and costs 30 euros.

If you decide to part with 350 euros and purchase the booster kit later, you can, but it will cost you more – the booster kit costs £150, making the combined purchase 30 euros more.

If you already have Fanatec pedals, a shifter, and/or a handbrake – great. The CCSL DD allows you to plug them directly into the back of the hub.

If you purchase the table clamp, it will fit tables between 5mm and 60mm thick, and there are some T-nuts supplied in the box that allow for easy mounting to pretty much any rig.

It’s not the prettiest hub I’ve ever seen, but you get used to it, and in some ways, it does share some characteristics with the Fanatec dd1 and dd2. However, the way it looks is deliberate – the hub is fanless, using aluminium fins to passively cool itself. At this point, I should say that during my testing of the CSL DD, it never felt hot or even warm to touch.

5nm Review​

I’ve decided to review the 5nm and 8nm variations separately because there is a difference, and I want my thoughts and feelings on both options to be clear.

The first thing you will notice is the smoothness of this wheel. If you’ve never driven a direct drive wheel and are used to gears and pulleys, you will be blown away by how this wheel feels even without it running in a sim. There’s no grating from cogs or friction from pulleys, just direct drive smoothness.

At the time of this review, I have tested the CSL DD with Assetto Corsa and Assetto Corsa Competizione. I will test in other sims, but this review will be based on my experience from these two specifically.

I’ve also tried to place myself into the minds of different consumers, who may have different expectations of the wheel. I’ve thought about the wheel from the perspective of someone coming from an entry level one, and I’ve also considered someone who’s had experience with a direct drive wheel.

So let’s get the latter out of the way first – if you’ve had experience with other direct drive wheels, you are going to be let down by the CSL DD in its 5nm form. You’re used to 18nm or higher, and with 5nm, there’s simply no comparison.

However, if you are moving over to the CSL DD from an entry-level wheel, you’re likely going to experience a wave of different emotions about this new Fanatec hub.

I’ve already mentioned how smooth it is, but you’ll be pleasantly surprised with how punchy a direct drive wheel can feel. The way the hub communicates with you is totally different to any entry-level wheel. You will feel the bumps, kerbs, track deviations, and the tyres loading up far more than you’re used to.

I would also say the CSL DD in its 5nm form is great for desks and entry-level rigs. You get many of the characteristics of a direct drive wheel but without the huge torque from other wheels that would simply rip apart entry-level rigs and turn any desk into firewood.

However, I’m sure there will be a time while experiencing these emotions that you wished you had gone with the 8nm option.

At 5nm there’s an apparent lack of detail at a granular level. Whilst you get the feeling that I mentioned earlier, it feels distant from the cars I was driving, and in some ways it feels numb. I kept going back to ffb settings and Fanalab, trying to extract more and more out of the hub to no avail.

There’s the cost to consider, too.

If you start to add up the cost – hub, wheel, and pedals – and opt for purely Fanatec gear, you will be parting with £630.

For just 350 euros you can purchase the Logitech G923, which admittedly has approximately half the amount of torque of the CSL DD but comes with TrueForce, which interprets in-game sounds and physics information and converts that to additional force feedback.

And for 700 euros Thrustmaster offer the T-GT 2, which produces a similar amount of torque but comes with its own technology that delivers an extra layer of driving feel.

The point that I am trying to make here is that just because the CSL DD is a direct drive wheel, it does not automatically entail a better driving experience.

8nm Review​

It might be just 3mn more, but this is the equivalent of slapping on more power than any entry-level wheel to the 5nm or torque the CSL DD produces in its cheaper form.

At 8nm, you can expect all the benefits that I described in the 5nm review and far fewer drawbacks.

There is so much more feel. As a driver you feel the bumps more and the texture of the road, and at high torque moments, you will be fighting with the wheel. All these benefits enhance the emersion you will experience with the additional booster kit. Catching slides will be even easier than before, and finding the limits of your tyres will come more naturally.

Whilst 8nm won’t snap your arm like more powerful hubs, I’d recommend letting go if you get into a spin or you will have bruised thumbs!

I’m not trying to tell you that this wheel can compete with the dd1, dd2 or other even more expensive direct drive wheels, because it can’t. At 8nm this hub has a third, sometimes even less, of the power of other direct drive wheels.

There are other things to consider though: with higher torque wheels, you will need a high-quality rig. For this review and my daily driver, I use the Thrustmaster Challenger rig, and at 8nm, it feels like it’s at its absolute limit.

Though the table clamp is an option for the CSL DD, you will need to turn the force feedback right down to be able to use it with 8nm.

I am extremely impressed with 8nm of torque. I’ve found it very easy to get back on pace with this hub, and I could see this variation of the CSL DD being one I would purchase myself.

Bits I Don’t Like​

Nothing’s ever perfect, and there are a few things about the CSL DD that I don’t like.

I’m not a fan of the massive power button at the front of the hub. Not only is this a power button, but also it allows you to cycle between PC and Xbox modes – twice I’ve hit this button as I’ve been driving, which completely ruins the race. Having this button at the front makes no sense to me. Yes, it might be easier to switch between modes as you don’t have to reach around the back, but is it that much of an inconvenience to reach around and how many times are sim racers going to be switching between the two different modes?

I’m also not a fan of the plastic end caps – I understand the wheel has to be made with a budget in mind, but picking at it with my finger, the end caps remind me of instant ready-meal trays.

Buy the Fanatec CSL DD (8Nm) from Fanatec.com for EUR 479,95
Buy the Fanatec CSL DD (5Nm) from Fanatec.com for EUR 349,95

Final Thoughts​

Whether this wheel is for you or not is a decision you alone must make. For 5mn, there’s a good argument that other wheels may provide a better driving experience. However, for 8nm, I believe this is the best option in this price range.

I will say this though: Fanatec have put the cat amongst the pigeons with a direct drive wheel for under £500, which hopefully means everyone else steps up their game in the coming months and years, making sim racing even better for us all.

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They simply wanted to have a 350€ price tag for communication, and that's all most media talk about. That's probably why the clamp is not included. They may not gain much money on the 5nm version, and that's why they ask you 130€ more for a bigger PSU which probably costs 5€ to 10€ more to produce than the small one.
yes thats the thing they did: MARKETING
now i know as i never think abous it: they make 5 nm version which nobody buy just to tell its DD for 350 dollar! now i know it was MARKETING THING and i agree with YOU
but still it kinda sketchy shieeet xD
 
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And don't forget that torque is not everything, IMO the biggest difference between belt driven and direct drive bases is the low latency of DD. It's subtle at first, but you'll notice you're more in control of the car, you react faster to oversteer. I noticed that first on Lime Rock Park T1 braking, where I was keeping my car a lot more stable/straight, a lot more in control, with the DD.
i cant agree to that.
for me personally i not look for that small latency and bigger subtler force feelings on my small soft sensible fingers holding my sophicticated wheel rig which cost me 1500 bucsk with sparco logo on it LOL
the actual force, torque, nm is more important and i tell you 5 nm is not enought for real cars
lets begin in sim racing you need more force on wheel than in real life cause wheel is only thing that make you feel car.... did you ever drive real car????
i tell you most real cars have like 4 nm resistance to turn wheel. not to mention countersteering forces, the wheel with 5 nm output is just a toy.
race cars most of them have 6,5 nm or even 8 nm, and that is minimum fanatic produced, they made 8 nm wheel and thats enought to drive most of race cars in sims.
AND THUS if you ask me to choose between fanatic scl belt driven wheel of 7 nm and fanatic DD wheel of 5 nm i will choose 7 nm belt driven. as i dont care for slight little soft forces DD can give me, i would aim to have resistance forces as in real cars
 
That was there in July 20 and no update since.

I had the issue when i first bought mine.

Bit of a joke really along with them selling a wheel for WRC but not actually creating a profile for it!
The last driver update i saw was the 402 patch here
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got a link to the driver released in July 20?
 
After you spend $500 on the base and the upgraded power supply, then you have to buy a wheel for another (probably) $300. That's $800. For $1000 you can get the Accuforce V2 (with the best software made) and 13 NM of torque. Why not just spend the extra $200? It just makes more sense.
Not a fair comparison. Where is the $300.00 dollar steering wheel for the Accuforce ? I do believe that is a necessary component for both configurations.
 
Not a fair comparison. Where is the $300.00 dollar steering wheel for the Accuforce ? I do believe that is a necessary component for both configurations.
It's included with the $1000, along with the power supply (that doesnt need to be upgraded to get the full 13 nm from the base) as well as a button box for the wheel.
 
Comments like this are why I stopped making videos. The "I would do it much better than this guy" comment, I just can't deal with this sort of thing.

Give the guy a break this is his third video for RD and first review. We also got the equipment much later than any other channel so Damian can be forgiven fo not having everything memorised at this point.

Let me rephrase your comment."Hi Damian, something I think could improve your videos is if you address the audience by looking into the camera. Thanks" It's not hard to be nice.
Aww.. did someone's feelings get hurt? Awww.. I'm so sowwry if I hurt your feelings. It'll be alright. There there now..

Seriously though, someone already explained that he was probably reading his line from his computer screen. That never even crossed my mind and I said so.
 
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Aww.. did someone's feelings get hurt? Awww.. I'm so sowwry if I hurt your feelings. It'll be alright. There there now..

Seriously though, someone already explained that he was probably reading his line from his computer screen. That never even crossed my mind and I said so.
xd i dont judge nobody but i know how market/business work i know revievers can be bought by fanatic.... same thing happen to david perel GT3 driver in ACC case, he was bought not only by kunos ACC devs to tell us as "PRO REAL DRIVER" that ACC is MOST RELISTIC SIM but also by thrustmaster to tell us that they in GT3 dont feel cars by wheel XD and he quickly get owned by other NOT BOUGHT GT3 Driver on Twitter (fock i cant find tweet now so you must believe me) who told him thats weird cause he feel a lot on his wheel in his car XD
he meant that perel was bought by Thrustmaster, he drove on Thrustmaster on his streams telling us that torque doesnt matter and Thrustmaster wheels can deliver us torques of real GT3 cars LOL xD and then he tweet about it and other GT3 Driver came to reply to his tweet that He doesnt agree cause He feel a lot through his real wheel alone and He feel so much more than in sims and perel was OWNED and perel lost ALL RESPECT in my eyes as he was bought by thrustmaster tried to sell us lie that torque doesnt matter in sims LOL i laugh so hard about it... shame i canot find a tweet i saw it on reddit simracing subforum...
i mean all those reviewers may be bought by fanatic now, thats just how MODERN market works NOWADAYS LOLLL

but most important message i got is david perel GT3 driver bought by Thrustmaster tried to sell us shiieeeetty lie that torque doesnt matter in simracing , and he quickly get owned by other GT3 Driver that torque does matter indeed in simracing as He Himself feel a lot through wheel in real life, so david perel got owned by other gt3 Driver who basically told us simracers that perel is lying to us to sell us shieet from Thrustmaster. And thus david perel lost all my RESPECT by trying to sell us shieet, and thanks to that other gt3 Driver who told us david perel is lying to us LOL xDD
 
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It's included with the $1000, along with the power supply (that doesnt need to be upgraded to get the full 13 nm from the base) as well as a button box for the wheel.
It's about a $270 - $370 difference between an Accuforce Pro V2 kit and a CSL DD 8nm build. That is not including pedals for either setup. Would the Pro V2 be a better choice than the CSL DD? They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Fanatec is offering a mid tier Direct Drive wheel base, Accuforce is offering one of the least expensive upper tier wheel bases. I remember reading or watching someone mention that the hybrid stepper motor suffers from fade as it warms up. I think the person was referring to the Simagic M10, but Simagic appers to be ditching the M10 line in favor of the Alpha Mini servo motor. So that says something about what Accuforce has with their hybrid stepper.

Also, with skill; it is possible to build a PSU and end up with an 8nm CSL DD for less. Accuforce seems to get more expensive if you try to go the DIY route. There is that pride in saying "I built this!" If one were to go the AF DIY route though. But again that takes certain skills.
 
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i see how simracing becomes shiiiiity market nowadays they basically saw we simracerc are weak minds cuckolds etc XD and they sell us every shieeet overpriced or not needed for us try to sell us some kind of "immersion" things xD recently i saw focken motion belts or something its BELTS that just clench on your shoulders and that may make immersion for you xD it would be nothing wrong wit such hardware if not PRICE LOL price is 1000 bucks for some belts and little motor that clench those two belts on you shoulder to make you think you actually affected by g - forces of real car LOL
i laugh so hard when i see such shiieeet xD
i can imagine if one is rich person and make 10 000 buck a month saary he can buy such expensive stuff... but then again he can just same thing buy opel corsa 1,4 engine 90 HP and race in real life LOL and that would be much more fun than driving F1 2021 in any sim xD but yo know.. simracer buy everything overpriced, you make market, they just saw you buy everything now they decide price for our stuff......
 
edit: Sorry realized that is different to what you linked

So how much is that wheel landed in australia anyone knows thanks
 
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once this freaking pandemic comes to an End, this is what I will get instead of the Fanatec CSL DD

 
i cant agree to that.
for me personally i not look for that small latency and bigger subtler force feelings on my small soft sensible fingers holding my sophicticated wheel rig which cost me 1500 bucsk with sparco logo on it LOL
the actual force, torque, nm is more important and i tell you 5 nm is not enought for real cars
lets begin in sim racing you need more force on wheel than in real life cause wheel is only thing that make you feel car.... did you ever drive real car????
i tell you most real cars have like 4 nm resistance to turn wheel. not to mention countersteering forces, the wheel with 5 nm output is just a toy.
race cars most of them have 6,5 nm or even 8 nm, and that is minimum fanatic produced, they made 8 nm wheel and thats enought to drive most of race cars in sims.
AND THUS if you ask me to choose between fanatic scl belt driven wheel of 7 nm and fanatic DD wheel of 5 nm i will choose 7 nm belt driven. as i dont care for slight little soft forces DD can give me, i would aim to have resistance forces as in real cars
I'll never understand people who are all over torque, have you ever tried to drive with FFB at 100% on a 5nm wheel? It's undrivable... Yes, torque is important, higher torque means lower latency, and wider range of effects. But no you don't need 20+nm because some real car have more than that. I don't say 5nm is plenty enough (I was perfectly happy with my 6nm CSL Elite and was far from pushing it, but I see how better it is with the DD1 because of the wider range and higher spikes).
On another hand, you neglect the importance of the latency. Between a 5nm DD and a 7nm belt driven, I choose the DD anytime, the low latency has a big impact (yes, subtle, but big!) anytime (including in how fast the torque is applied on the wheel, so you may even feel more torque on the DD during spikes, like a big bump, because the torque don't come as progressively as with as belt driven base) while the higher torque will be beneficial in some places.
 
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I'll never understand people who are all over torque, have you ever tried to drive with FFB at 100% on a 5nm wheel? It's undrivable... Yes, torque is important, higher torque means lower latency, and wider range of effects. But no you don't need 20+nm because some real car have more than that. I don't say 5nm is plenty enough (I was perfectly happy with my 6nm CSL Elite and was far from pushing it, but I see how better it is with the DD1 because of the wider range and higher spikes).
On another hand, you neglect the importance of the latency. Between a 5nm DD and a 7nm belt driven, I choose the DD anytime, the low latency has a big impact (yes, subtle, but big!) anytime (including in how fast the torque is applied on the wheel, so you may even feel more torque on the DD during spikes, like a big bump, because the torque don't come as progressively as with as belt driven base) while the higher torque will be beneficial in some places.
  • Torque has become the simple yardstick value used for assessing what different DD's can do.
  • So it IS important.
  • It's generally regarded that 12nm is the sweet spot.
  • A nominal 10nm value with the ability to handle spikes up to 20nm is ideal.
  • This emulates 90% of 1:1 forces across multiple real-world car types.
  • That's why a 20nm wheel is better than an 8nm wheel because you will get split milliseconds of high ffb without clipping, but it's not a constant 20nm - that's not what higher torque is for.
  • This creates a crisp, robust interpretation of the telemetry output.
  • So in an ideal world, IMO 5nm, 8nm, etc - is not enough.
  • But what I think is positive with this product is it brings direct drive tech into a mid-range price point.
  • Direct drive technology has fewer moving parts, so it will last longer, and it also has fewer contact points in the moving parts, which will make this system last longer, without repairs / maintenance / replacement parts.
  • The clear advantage is that output is direct to the shaft connected to your wheel rim, so you have no play, which, in the belt-driven design, will increase over time as the plastic parts wear and belt stretches, and the small motor is strained.
  • So I guess this product has value in this regard, and should for all intents and purposes become the norm going forward.
  • Still, the Fanatec product hides behind its bogus DD for $350 marketing rouse, because we all know that you can't take a car around the track with just a wheelbase, you need pedals, shifters, and a wheel rim on top of that. The competition supply all that in the box. Its definitely disrupted the space though ... which is a good thing I guess.
 
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Its funny. Now $350 is a rouse. Back when the CSL Elite wheel base was on the market, there was no talk of it being deceptive, but now the CSL DD comes along, and now its a fraud. Interesting.
 
Its funny. Now $350 is a rouse. Back when the CSL Elite wheel base was on the market, there was no talk of it being deceptive, but now the CSL DD comes along, and now its a fraud. Interesting.
Fair point.

I think the issue is more along the lines of - its $350, but 5nm is just not enough, so you take the $350 bait and then realize you have to cough up $500 for the 8nm variant. So Fanatec will "guide" you up the ladder... it comes across like a clever marketing trick.

But I'd go for an old-school OSW which packs way more power and can cost similar money to a CSLDD+8nm if you do it right etc.

BTW, I own a ton of Fanatec gear, including a DD1, and a Mige based OSW, so I'm not a "Fanatec hater", I'm just calling this as I see it. Dialing in an OSW can give exceptional results, and I actually prefer it over the DD1.
 
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Fair point.

I think the issue is more along the lines of - its $350, but 5nm is just not enough, so you take the $350 bait and then realize you have to cough up $500 for the 8nm variant. So Fanatec will "guide" you up the ladder... it comes across like a clever marketing trick.
If thats the case, then only having to pay $150 to step their 5nm base up to 8nm, sounds like a good deal.

But to many, 5nm would be plenty. Using myself as an example, I have a CSR wheelbase, and was happy with it for years. I never thought I needed more power. When I finally tried drifting in AC and rally, I felt that the wheel could be quicker and more accurate, but stronger never crossed my want list.

I was looking to get the CSW v2.5 because of its speed when drifting and I was convinced that I'll always want it, if I took a CSL Elite instead. Then the CSL DD was announced and I seen that I could get a direct drive base, that is just as powerful, fast and, a lot more precise than the wheel I was about to purchase, for a little less than what I was going to spend? I jumped at the 8nm version. I plan to lower the FFB output to something I'm use to.

If I were getting the 5nm version, I'd be looking forward to a decent power increase, along with more precision and speed.
 
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Yeah, I've got a Logi G920 and I don't even know what "nm" it is but I'm guessing it's "Crap all".

Equally my Playseat Challenge is probably not going to be happy with 8.

My biggest problem is as a rookie Fanatec's site is awful and their configurator absurdly useless so until i hunt out the right guides I've no idea exactly what I actually need to buy. For instance there's a usb adapter which says "You need this if <who knows> and don't need it if <who knows>". The site knows damn well what I've selected. Tell me if I need it!
 
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Yeah, I've got a Logi G920 and I don't even know what "nm" it is but I'm guessing it's "Crap all".

Equally my Playseat Challenge is probably not going to be happy with 8.

My biggest problem is as a rookie Fanatec's site is awful and their configurator absurdly useless so until i hunt out the right guides I've no idea exactly what I actually need to buy. For instance there's a usb adapter which says "You need this if <who knows> and don't need it if <who knows>". The site knows damn well what I've selected. Tell me if I need it!

Playseat Challenge, you say?

Have you seen this?


As for the configurator... Yeah it needs help. I think it is too slow and the build needs a side bar where you can add or remove items. Think of the typical automotive car builder website. There's usually an overview of your build on a small portion of the screen, and there you can jump to certain places in the build process. Fanatec needs more of that, and less of that GM website slowness.

Whether you need certain accessories could be better highlighted too. The CSL DD needs a table clamp if the purchaser doesn't have a wheel stand or a cockpit of some sort but, the only place you'll find that is in the bullet points at the bottom of the description page. Putting something there is akin to putting important details in fine print, and while it is always a good thing to read the fine print; the bullet points tend to get glossed over. So I agree with that sentiment, as well.
 
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Yeah I had, I'd go with the 5 so it'll work even better for me. I tend to be in VR too so actually the seat shaking a bit is all gonna work.

No point going for something more powerful without also changing seat though :)
 
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