2023 Formula One Australia Grand Prix

Rot Teufel said:

The race could have ended under SC or even 2 laps before and nobody will have complained about...

Click to expand...

TRASGU said:

I have seen today Formula Nascar. Liberty Media slowly but steadily are Americanizing this sport and making every single mistake that both CART and Nascar did. Liberty media is seriously making me doubt if the sport had more sport integrity 10 years ago than now. They are turning this sport in fast food racing.

Feats of Liberty Media

Stupid sprint races in where if a car is not properly setup straight out of the box that car suffers the entire weekend because after FP1 they declare park ferme rules and the cars no longer can be touched. Additionally nobody gives spectacle because the stupid budget cap, and because if someone makes a mistake in the sprint race the race is also compromised. And additionally to all of that the sprint race makes the race processional as the cars are already sorted by race pace. With no park ferme someone could find more pace in the race and overtake cars, the rules don't allow it

Races on very doubtful countries with no tradition nor following at all, going as far as racing under a missile attack so close to the track that the smoke can be seen in the TV international feed

23 races per season diluting the value of a single race. When the extraordinary happens regularly the extraordinary becomes ordinary. The same happened with the DRS introduction, it created a lot of boring overtakes in the middle of a long straight due to no driving merit whatsoever while also tying the hands of the defending driver making him almost unable to defend himself

Paywalls everywhere, free to air TV in very severe decline, now you even have to pay to watch the frikking live timing screen that was free even with someone so greedy as Bernie Ecclestone

The most overweight, longest and and understeery cars I have ever seen in this sport
Rules of the sport changing on the fly. Honestly it has to be really uninspiring to drive cars so lazy, long and unbalanced

No longer can happen a race in true rainy conditions because the tyre provider still has not been able to develop a rain tyre capable to race in the same conditions that Bridgestone, Michelin or Goodyear were capable 20+ years ago. Just, let it sink: in more than a decade Pirelli still hasn't cached up what it's predecessors did with technology from 20 years ago.

The FIA not letting a race to keep on when it starts to rain up to a point in that talent can truly overcome car deficits. And meanwhile they let tracks like Baku, Vegas, and Jeddah with inmense straights surrounded by armco barriers pretty close to the track.
Seriously, a tragedy is going to happen at some point in time in one of those tracks, in the same way that for nearly a decade we had close calls with trucks entering in the track to recover cars until Jules Bianchi died.
Just one slightly badly defended overtake in one of those inmense straights where a car clips the rear tyre of another car and the air entering under the car at 370+km/h would be send the car flying out of the track bounds 370+km/h killing a lot of spectators like in the Le Mans dissaster.
The sport created chicanes limiting long straights not to create overtaking points, but to limit the cars top speeds, and now they have become so conceited that the lessons of the past have been forgotten and cars reaching 380km/h on a straight is something OK to them from a safety stand point.

Uninspiring, over engineered and technologically obsolete and irrelevant engines. They dumbed down on it insisting in the same concept just more simplified for 2026+

Red flags associated to a standing re-start to increase drama in situations deemed just enough for a virtual safety car just for the sake of audiences and social media engagement

Liberty media bending over backwards to Netflix making a manipulative, if not openly false and over dramatized "documentary" meant to attract the kind of population that harass drivers on social media

Track limits criteria that changes half a dozen time per season, sometimes even during a single weekend

Change in rules over the season, sometimes even in middle of a single race (Bahrain 2021), it was OK for one car to get out the the track bounds about 40 times, after the very first time that another car did the same suddenly it was no longer OK

A stupid camera inside of drivers helmet that is absolutely uninformative as it is so blurry due to the lack of any stabilization at all. But they insist on show it over and over

The relations with FIA passing for the most confrontational and uncooperative state I have seen since Balestre

World class heritage tracks like Spa, Monaco, Monza or Silverstone continually under the risk of falling of the calendar, meanwhile soulless tracks like Losail, Bahrain, or Abu Dhabi go as far as to purchase from the FOM the exclusive rights to hold all the F1 pre season testing there

Complete lack of testing: just 3 days of testing that lead to unreliable cars on the first races due to lack of running, and a lack of experience to novice drivers

This sport has been turning to the worse since about 1998, and still was pallatable until pre 2009 regulations. After 2020 the sport seems like the jumped the shark in the foolish pursuit of an impossible infinite growth of the sport to appease the company shareholders. CART and Nascar made the same mistakes and they never recovered after changing the format of the sport so much.

Click to expand...

TRASGU said:

I have seen today Formula Nascar. Liberty Media slowly but steadily are Americanizing this sport and making every single mistake that both CART and Nascar did. Liberty media is seriously making me doubt if the sport had more sport integrity 10 years ago than now. They are turning this sport in fast food racing.

Feats of Liberty Media

Stupid sprint races in where if a car is not properly setup straight out of the box that car suffers the entire weekend because after FP1 they declare park ferme rules and the cars no longer can be touched. Additionally nobody gives spectacle because the stupid budget cap, and because if someone makes a mistake in the sprint race the race is also compromised. And additionally to all of that the sprint race makes the race processional as the cars are already sorted by race pace. With no park ferme someone could find more pace in the race and overtake cars, the rules don't allow it

Races on very doubtful countries with no tradition nor following at all, going as far as racing under a missile attack so close to the track that the smoke can be seen in the TV international feed

23 races per season diluting the value of a single race. When the extraordinary happens regularly the extraordinary becomes ordinary. The same happened with the DRS introduction, it created a lot of boring overtakes in the middle of a long straight due to no driving merit whatsoever while also tying the hands of the defending driver making him almost unable to defend himself

Paywalls everywhere, free to air TV in very severe decline, now you even have to pay to watch the frikking live timing screen that was free even with someone so greedy as Bernie Ecclestone

The most overweight, longest and and understeery cars I have ever seen in this sport
Rules of the sport changing on the fly. Honestly it has to be really uninspiring to drive cars so lazy, long and unbalanced

No longer can happen a race in true rainy conditions because the tyre provider still has not been able to develop a rain tyre capable to race in the same conditions that Bridgestone, Michelin or Goodyear were capable 20+ years ago. Just, let it sink: in more than a decade Pirelli still hasn't cached up what it's predecessors did with technology from 20 years ago.

The FIA not letting a race to keep on when it starts to rain up to a point in that talent can truly overcome car deficits. And meanwhile they let tracks like Baku, Vegas, and Jeddah with inmense straights surrounded by armco barriers pretty close to the track.
Seriously, a tragedy is going to happen at some point in time in one of those tracks, in the same way that for nearly a decade we had close calls with trucks entering in the track to recover cars until Jules Bianchi died.
Just one slightly badly defended overtake in one of those inmense straights where a car clips the rear tyre of another car and the air entering under the car at 370+km/h would be send the car flying out of the track bounds 370+km/h killing a lot of spectators like in the Le Mans dissaster.
The sport created chicanes limiting long straights not to create overtaking points, but to limit the cars top speeds, and now they have become so conceited that the lessons of the past have been forgotten and cars reaching 380km/h on a straight is something OK to them from a safety stand point.

Uninspiring, over engineered and technologically obsolete and irrelevant engines. They dumbed down on it insisting in the same concept just more simplified for 2026+

Red flags associated to a standing re-start to increase drama in situations deemed just enough for a virtual safety car just for the sake of audiences and social media engagement

Liberty media bending over backwards to Netflix making a manipulative, if not openly false and over dramatized "documentary" meant to attract the kind of population that harass drivers on social media

Track limits criteria that changes half a dozen time per season, sometimes even during a single weekend

Change in rules over the season, sometimes even in middle of a single race (Bahrain 2021), it was OK for one car to get out the the track bounds about 40 times, after the very first time that another car did the same suddenly it was no longer OK

A stupid camera inside of drivers helmet that is absolutely uninformative as it is so blurry due to the lack of any stabilization at all. But they insist on show it over and over

The relations with FIA passing for the most confrontational and uncooperative state I have seen since Balestre

World class heritage tracks like Spa, Monaco, Monza or Silverstone continually under the risk of falling of the calendar, meanwhile soulless tracks like Losail, Bahrain, or Abu Dhabi go as far as to purchase from the FOM the exclusive rights to hold all the F1 pre season testing there

Complete lack of testing: just 3 days of testing that lead to unreliable cars on the first races due to lack of running, and a lack of experience to novice drivers

This sport has been turning to the worse since about 1998, and still was pallatable until pre 2009 regulations. After 2020 the sport seems like the jumped the shark in the foolish pursuit of an impossible infinite growth of the sport to appease the company shareholders. CART and Nascar made the same mistakes and they never recovered after changing the format of the sport so much.

Click to expand...

JayOTT said:

I would've complained about it had the race ended under SC after Magnussen's crash. I want the race to actually end as a race if possible, and a red flag at that time was the only way to have laps remaining to do so.

Unfortunately, we still have this procedure of having a grid start after a red flag which not only hurts whoever was leading at the time more than necessary, but also gives the field an incentive to drive like crazy knowing there isn't enough time to take it easy like usual.

Rolling starts after red flags please, that way we keep the chances of a green flag finish high but also keep the restarts sensibl

Click to expand...

TRASGU said:

I have seen today Formula Nascar. Liberty Media slowly but steadily are Americanizing this sport and making every single mistake that both CART and Nascar did. Liberty media is seriously making me doubt if the sport had more sport integrity 10 years ago than now. They are turning this sport in fast food racing.

Feats of Liberty Media

Stupid sprint races in where if a car is not properly setup straight out of the box that car suffers the entire weekend because after FP1 they declare park ferme rules and the cars no longer can be touched. Additionally nobody gives spectacle because the stupid budget cap, and because if someone makes a mistake in the sprint race the race is also compromised. And additionally to all of that the sprint race makes the race processional as the cars are already sorted by race pace. With no park ferme someone could find more pace in the race and overtake cars, the rules don't allow it

Races on very doubtful countries with no tradition nor following at all, going as far as racing under a missile attack so close to the track that the smoke can be seen in the TV international feed

23 races per season diluting the value of a single race. When the extraordinary happens regularly the extraordinary becomes ordinary. The same happened with the DRS introduction, it created a lot of boring overtakes in the middle of a long straight due to no driving merit whatsoever while also tying the hands of the defending driver making him almost unable to defend himself

Paywalls everywhere, free to air TV in very severe decline, now you even have to pay to watch the frikking live timing screen that was free even with someone so greedy as Bernie Ecclestone

The most overweight, longest and and understeery cars I have ever seen in this sport
Rules of the sport changing on the fly. Honestly it has to be really uninspiring to drive cars so lazy, long and unbalanced

No longer can happen a race in true rainy conditions because the tyre provider still has not been able to develop a rain tyre capable to race in the same conditions that Bridgestone, Michelin or Goodyear were capable 20+ years ago. Just, let it sink: in more than a decade Pirelli still hasn't cached up what it's predecessors did with technology from 20 years ago.

The FIA not letting a race to keep on when it starts to rain up to a point in that talent can truly overcome car deficits. And meanwhile they let tracks like Baku, Vegas, and Jeddah with inmense straights surrounded by armco barriers pretty close to the track.
Seriously, a tragedy is going to happen at some point in time in one of those tracks, in the same way that for nearly a decade we had close calls with trucks entering in the track to recover cars until Jules Bianchi died.
Just one slightly badly defended overtake in one of those inmense straights where a car clips the rear tyre of another car and the air entering under the car at 370+km/h would be send the car flying out of the track bounds 370+km/h killing a lot of spectators like in the Le Mans dissaster.
The sport created chicanes limiting long straights not to create overtaking points, but to limit the cars top speeds, and now they have become so conceited that the lessons of the past have been forgotten and cars reaching 380km/h on a straight is something OK to them from a safety stand point.

Uninspiring, over engineered and technologically obsolete and irrelevant engines. They dumbed down on it insisting in the same concept just more simplified for 2026+

Red flags associated to a standing re-start to increase drama in situations deemed just enough for a virtual safety car just for the sake of audiences and social media engagement

Liberty media bending over backwards to Netflix making a manipulative, if not openly false and over dramatized "documentary" meant to attract the kind of population that harass drivers on social media

Track limits criteria that changes half a dozen time per season, sometimes even during a single weekend

Change in rules over the season, sometimes even in middle of a single race (Bahrain 2021), it was OK for one car to get out the the track bounds about 40 times, after the very first time that another car did the same suddenly it was no longer OK

A stupid camera inside of drivers helmet that is absolutely uninformative as it is so blurry due to the lack of any stabilization at all. But they insist on show it over and over

The relations with FIA passing for the most confrontational and uncooperative state I have seen since Balestre

World class heritage tracks like Spa, Monaco, Monza or Silverstone continually under the risk of falling of the calendar, meanwhile soulless tracks like Losail, Bahrain, or Abu Dhabi go as far as to purchase from the FOM the exclusive rights to hold all the F1 pre season testing there

Complete lack of testing: just 3 days of testing that lead to unreliable cars on the first races due to lack of running, and a lack of experience to novice drivers

This sport has been turning to the worse since about 1998, and still was pallatable until pre 2009 regulations. After 2020 the sport seems like the jumped the shark in the foolish pursuit of an impossible infinite growth of the sport to appease the company shareholders. CART and Nascar made the same mistakes and they never recovered after changing the format of the sport so much.

Click to expand...

TRASGU said:

I have seen today Formula Nascar. Liberty Media slowly but steadily are Americanizing this sport and making every single mistake that both CART and Nascar did. Liberty media is seriously making me doubt if the sport had more sport integrity 10 years ago than now. They are turning this sport in fast food racing.

Feats of Liberty Media

Stupid sprint races in where if a car is not properly setup straight out of the box that car suffers the entire weekend because after FP1 they declare park ferme rules and the cars no longer can be touched. Additionally nobody gives spectacle because the stupid budget cap, and because if someone makes a mistake in the sprint race the race is also compromised. And additionally to all of that the sprint race makes the race processional as the cars are already sorted by race pace. With no park ferme someone could find more pace in the race and overtake cars, the rules don't allow it

Races on very doubtful countries with no tradition nor following at all, going as far as racing under a missile attack so close to the track that the smoke can be seen in the TV international feed

23 races per season diluting the value of a single race. When the extraordinary happens regularly the extraordinary becomes ordinary. The same happened with the DRS introduction, it created a lot of boring overtakes in the middle of a long straight due to no driving merit whatsoever while also tying the hands of the defending driver making him almost unable to defend himself

Paywalls everywhere, free to air TV in very severe decline, now you even have to pay to watch the frikking live timing screen that was free even with someone so greedy as Bernie Ecclestone

The most overweight, longest and and understeery cars I have ever seen in this sport
Rules of the sport changing on the fly. Honestly it has to be really uninspiring to drive cars so lazy, long and unbalanced

No longer can happen a race in true rainy conditions because the tyre provider still has not been able to develop a rain tyre capable to race in the same conditions that Bridgestone, Michelin or Goodyear were capable 20+ years ago. Just, let it sink: in more than a decade Pirelli still hasn't cached up what it's predecessors did with technology from 20 years ago.

The FIA not letting a race to keep on when it starts to rain up to a point in that talent can truly overcome car deficits. And meanwhile they let tracks like Baku, Vegas, and Jeddah with inmense straights surrounded by armco barriers pretty close to the track.
Seriously, a tragedy is going to happen at some point in time in one of those tracks, in the same way that for nearly a decade we had close calls with trucks entering in the track to recover cars until Jules Bianchi died.
Just one slightly badly defended overtake in one of those inmense straights where a car clips the rear tyre of another car and the air entering under the car at 370+km/h would be send the car flying out of the track bounds 370+km/h killing a lot of spectators like in the Le Mans dissaster.
The sport created chicanes limiting long straights not to create overtaking points, but to limit the cars top speeds, and now they have become so conceited that the lessons of the past have been forgotten and cars reaching 380km/h on a straight is something OK to them from a safety stand point.

Uninspiring, over engineered and technologically obsolete and irrelevant engines. They dumbed down on it insisting in the same concept just more simplified for 2026+

Red flags associated to a standing re-start to increase drama in situations deemed just enough for a virtual safety car just for the sake of audiences and social media engagement

Liberty media bending over backwards to Netflix making a manipulative, if not openly false and over dramatized "documentary" meant to attract the kind of population that harass drivers on social media

Track limits criteria that changes half a dozen time per season, sometimes even during a single weekend

Change in rules over the season, sometimes even in middle of a single race (Bahrain 2021), it was OK for one car to get out the the track bounds about 40 times, after the very first time that another car did the same suddenly it was no longer OK

A stupid camera inside of drivers helmet that is absolutely uninformative as it is so blurry due to the lack of any stabilization at all. But they insist on show it over and over

The relations with FIA passing for the most confrontational and uncooperative state I have seen since Balestre

World class heritage tracks like Spa, Monaco, Monza or Silverstone continually under the risk of falling of the calendar, meanwhile soulless tracks like Losail, Bahrain, or Abu Dhabi go as far as to purchase from the FOM the exclusive rights to hold all the F1 pre season testing there

Complete lack of testing: just 3 days of testing that lead to unreliable cars on the first races due to lack of running, and a lack of experience to novice drivers

This sport has been turning to the worse since about 1998, and still was pallatable until pre 2009 regulations. After 2020 the sport seems like the jumped the shark in the foolish pursuit of an impossible infinite growth of the sport to appease the company shareholders. CART and Nascar made the same mistakes and they never recovered after changing the format of the sport so much.

Click to expand...

pitkin said:

I agree with pretty much everything you say. It's not the sport I started following some 30 years ago. Of course there were boring races, but there was a lot more in the way of random events happening to at least make it interesting.

1. Overtaking. It's too easy now. DRS just makes it easier for faster cars to get near the front. If a slow car makes a good start you just know after lap 2 all chances of defending are gone thanks to DRS.

2. Mistakes. Mistakes go unpunished now as grass and gravel have been replaced by tarmac. Years ago, a driver going wide would at the very least cost them time as they scrabbled for grip, now it can be an advantage as they can get away with carrying too much speed into a corner and just carry on as if nothing happened.

3. Limited testing and development. Very little chance for other teams to catch up as a season progresses. We often know who the champion is after the first race or two.

4. Top teams having a clear number one driver. The days of having two championship contenders in the same team are long gone. Teams know two drivers battling for a title can hamper their chances as they take points away from each other and possibly let another rival sneak in. Years of Hamilton / Bottas have been replaced by presumably years of Verstappen / Perez.

5. Too much information available to the drivers. How boring is it knowing they are driving around to a target time to preserve tires and fuel? They know their tire temps, they know how long they will last, they know how long their rivals will last. They all end up doing pretty much the same thing. Leading often teams end up managing their drivers to the finish. On that note, forget this two compounds per race rule as well. It doesn't achieve what hey wanted it to. Let them stick any combination of tires on all four wheels.

6. Backmarkers. Controversial I know. But get through the traffic used to be a skill, now it's just a question of getting on the team radio and insisting they move out of the way.

7. Reliability. One thing I did disagree with. Unreliable cars at least add a bit of randomness to the proceedings meaning there was outsiders getting in the points more regularly. (And who doesn't like seeing an engine burst into flames?)

8. Design. It's too restrictive, they pretty much have to build the same car. Paint a Mclaren red and it could be a Ferrari.

9. Penalties. Dear God enough with the penalties! Swap a spark plug and it's a five place penalty the next race. Not that the top teams care, after 2 laps it's DRS their way back to the front again.

10. It's too well controlled. The teams have got racing down to mere numbers on a computer screen. They all know where they SHOULD finish, so that's what they aim for when doing their calculations.

Every eventuality is known and planned for, the life of every component is known with high certainty. The duration of every tire can be forecast to within a couple of laps. Reliability brings predictability. For the drivers, going off track isn't even an inconvenience, falling behind a slow car no longer holds them up for more than a few corners. Overtaking isn't the risk it once was. There are no more "last of the late brakers" or "Il Liones". There will never be another "Professor" as the guys on the pit wall do it all.

In F1, almost everything is too perfect, it's nearing it's technological pinnacle. In the process it's losing it's ability to surprise us, excite us, shock us and sometimes even horrify us.

My life has been better for having F1 in it, but I am beginning to wonder whether that relationship is coming to an end.

Click to expand...

TRASGU said:

I have seen today Formula Nascar. Liberty Media slowly but steadily are Americanizing this sport and making every single mistake that both CART and Nascar did. Liberty media is seriously making me doubt if the sport had more sport integrity 10 years ago than now. They are turning this sport in fast food racing.

Feats of Liberty Media

Stupid sprint races in where if a car is not properly setup straight out of the box that car suffers the entire weekend because after FP1 they declare park ferme rules and the cars no longer can be touched. Additionally nobody gives spectacle because the stupid budget cap, and because if someone makes a mistake in the sprint race the race is also compromised. And additionally to all of that the sprint race makes the race processional as the cars are already sorted by race pace. With no park ferme someone could find more pace in the race and overtake cars, the rules don't allow it

Races on very doubtful countries with no tradition nor following at all, going as far as racing under a missile attack so close to the track that the smoke can be seen in the TV international feed

23 races per season diluting the value of a single race. When the extraordinary happens regularly the extraordinary becomes ordinary. The same happened with the DRS introduction, it created a lot of boring overtakes in the middle of a long straight due to no driving merit whatsoever while also tying the hands of the defending driver making him almost unable to defend himself

Paywalls everywhere, free to air TV in very severe decline, now you even have to pay to watch the frikking live timing screen that was free even with someone so greedy as Bernie Ecclestone

The most overweight, longest and and understeery cars I have ever seen in this sport
Rules of the sport changing on the fly. Honestly it has to be really uninspiring to drive cars so lazy, long and unbalanced

No longer can happen a race in true rainy conditions because the tyre provider still has not been able to develop a rain tyre capable to race in the same conditions that Bridgestone, Michelin or Goodyear were capable 20+ years ago. Just, let it sink: in more than a decade Pirelli still hasn't cached up what it's predecessors did with technology from 20 years ago.

The FIA not letting a race to keep on when it starts to rain up to a point in that talent can truly overcome car deficits. And meanwhile they let tracks like Baku, Vegas, and Jeddah with inmense straights surrounded by armco barriers pretty close to the track.
Seriously, a tragedy is going to happen at some point in time in one of those tracks, in the same way that for nearly a decade we had close calls with trucks entering in the track to recover cars until Jules Bianchi died.
Just one slightly badly defended overtake in one of those inmense straights where a car clips the rear tyre of another car and the air entering under the car at 370+km/h would be send the car flying out of the track bounds 370+km/h killing a lot of spectators like in the Le Mans dissaster.
The sport created chicanes limiting long straights not to create overtaking points, but to limit the cars top speeds, and now they have become so conceited that the lessons of the past have been forgotten and cars reaching 380km/h on a straight is something OK to them from a safety stand point.

Uninspiring, over engineered and technologically obsolete and irrelevant engines. They dumbed down on it insisting in the same concept just more simplified for 2026+

Red flags associated to a standing re-start to increase drama in situations deemed just enough for a virtual safety car just for the sake of audiences and social media engagement

Liberty media bending over backwards to Netflix making a manipulative, if not openly false and over dramatized "documentary" meant to attract the kind of population that harass drivers on social media

Track limits criteria that changes half a dozen time per season, sometimes even during a single weekend

Change in rules over the season, sometimes even in middle of a single race (Bahrain 2021), it was OK for one car to get out the the track bounds about 40 times, after the very first time that another car did the same suddenly it was no longer OK

A stupid camera inside of drivers helmet that is absolutely uninformative as it is so blurry due to the lack of any stabilization at all. But they insist on show it over and over

The relations with FIA passing for the most confrontational and uncooperative state I have seen since Balestre

World class heritage tracks like Spa, Monaco, Monza or Silverstone continually under the risk of falling of the calendar, meanwhile soulless tracks like Losail, Bahrain, or Abu Dhabi go as far as to purchase from the FOM the exclusive rights to hold all the F1 pre season testing there

Complete lack of testing: just 3 days of testing that lead to unreliable cars on the first races due to lack of running, and a lack of experience to novice drivers

This sport has been turning to the worse since about 1998, and still was pallatable until pre 2009 regulations. After 2020 the sport seems like the jumped the shark in the foolish pursuit of an impossible infinite growth of the sport to appease the company shareholders. CART and Nascar made the same mistakes and they never recovered after changing the format of the sport so much.

Click to expand...

WPxNJ said:

Just not seeing the logic-or rule-where this mess gets cleaned up for a 1 lap re-grid?

One can't ask what they were thinking, they weren't!

View attachment 652227

Click to expand...