[UPDATED] Questionable tactics exposed after iRacing's Daytona 24h

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As all the noise following rFactor 2 technical issues during the Virtual Le Mans race was starting to settle down, it's the sporting side of things that fuels yet another sim racing esports controversy after iRacing's edition of the Daytona 24h, with Williams Esports being at the heart of it all.

Everything started after qualifying. Pole position lap in the top class was performed by Alxander Spetz in the #1 LMDh car by driving on the apron instead of staying on the banked part of the oval. The rules clearly stated the apron was off limits, and cones were present at the beginning of the turns to further deter cars to take that line, but unusually, the software didn't trigger an off-track strike for using those bits of tarmac. Organizers explained the detection was manually removed to encourage teams suffering car damage to use the apron to crawl back to the pits without crowding the racing line unnecessarily.

Still, despite the driver having suffered a ban from the service, the team still kept, their pole position, and overall race result, although Williams purposefully switched to the face cam view for the whole lap on their own livestream. iRacing stated that the results are definitive once the race is finished, which hasn't been taken well by other competitors and the community, prompting complaints about the lack of live stewarding.

But the worst was yet to come, as sim racing streamer Pablo Araujo released a video exposing even more disturbing behavior from the team, this time in GT3.


As evidenced by replay footage, Williams Esports used a car that was out of contention after sustaining damage to help its other entry in the class. Car #2 purposefully waited in the pits and in the pit exit road to provide slipstream to its sister #55 car - which while questionable, isn't currently actively prohibited by the regulations - but more crucially, actively tempered with other competitors by defending position despite being several laps down. At some point, car #2 even pushed car #034, which was in the leader's lap, into a crash, effectively ending that team's race.

Tweets from Seb Hawkins, the esports team manager, and Jenson Button, Williams ambassador, tried to justify the LMDh car's tactics in qualifying, but haven't communicated yet on the GT side of things, as people are now calling for action from the organizers side.


UPDATE: Williams Esports has released the following statement on the 27th of January to address the described incidents.

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Wow, that last statement by Williams... That's gotta be the ultimate ' We're sorry (not sorry)' statement.

What they did is infiurating and there should be at least a couple of race bans imo. They clearly still only care about results and not the art of racing itself or else they would at least stated something about concrete changes within their team. Instead, the majority is about how they are the white knights of simracing. Completely disingenuous.
 
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Fully agree.
Voluntary counts - forced do not;)
That's the trouble with Policies, they have a procedure that exonerates everyone from responsibility, and after a time that same 'everyone' feels protected and their consciences are clear and their morals fall, until the BOD starts worrying about revenue effects, only then does something get recognised.
 
ive seen Jimmy Broadbent literally wipe someone out and himself 6 hours into a 24 hr race, his race ruined and the other teams. 100% Jimmy's fault and he blames the other driver. really Jimmer? are you special or something can you not see reality?. i dont see any investigation into him and there needs to be. absolutely absurd rookie level stuff. some sim drivers really do think they are above everybody.
 
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ive seen Jimmy Broadbent literally wipe someone out and himself 6 hours into a 24 hr race, his race ruined and the other teams. 100% Jimmy's fault and he blames the other driver. really Jimmer? are you special or something can you not see reality?. i dont see any investigation into him and there needs to be. absolutely absurd rookie level stuff. some sim drivers really do think they are above everybody.

Use the internet to explain how an "accident" and "cheating" are not the same thing.
 
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So.... the Williams team didn't cheat, OK? Is it clear? They were derespectful and didn't act with fair play, and they got what they deserved: an immense sh**storm.

Just to clarify and underscore the second half of the above statement, which I assume the first half inadvertently contradicts:

Oxford Dictionary Definition of Cheating:

To act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
 
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I don't know why everyone is so surprised at any of this. All these people are doing is taking a page directly from that PoS Simon Pagenaud's playbook.
 
Couldn't agree more. I also play offline, mostly due to this reason. That's also why I find it shocking that offline racing is getting less and less attention with the primary focus shifting to multiplayer. Just a small detail but ACC, for a GT3 endurance sim, doesn't have Ai taking over the car. So a 24h race is out of the question.
With this kind of behaviour more and more people will do offline. I´m in the same boat, used to compete online but got sick of this type of "strategies".

They think they´re sim racing pros but this is very very far of being a pro.
 
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I race offline exclusively, because my anxiety makes me feel like if I mess up, like overshooting a turn or missing a braking point, and accidentally bump into someone, that someone might get mad at me and possibly start calling me out or making fun of me :cry:
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For me, offline racing is better, because my anxiety makes me feel like if I mess up, like overshooting a turn or missing a braking point, and accidentally bump into someone, that someone might get mad at me and possibly start calling me out or making fun of me :cry:
Sorry for editing my original comment. I felt like the first few words in the original were a bit harsh in tone... (The "I race offline exclusively" part)
 
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Sorry for editing my original comment. I felt like the first few words in the original were a bit harsh in tone... (The "I race offline exclusively" part)
Much of the time we don't put all the words in that we wish to, and when we read it a little later it needs a redraft, it's called being human.
 
it still has the same outcome though. it ruins peoples day regardless
Maybe so. I understand it's not universal but some cultures place a high value on integrity and fairness, even in sport. So there is very much a difference culturally between cheating and accident regardless of the outcome, hence the shunning and disgust.
 
Maybe so. I understand it's not universal but some cultures place a high value on integrity and fairness, even in sport. So there is very much a difference culturally between cheating and accident regardless of the outcome, hence the shunning and disgust.
Indeed, race incidents are part of the race irl, we've been always seeing tons of them, even in F1. There's often someone at fault, that's just human behaviour : a mistake, some agressiveness or animosity, impatience, lost of temper...

Implementing a cheating system with your team is something absolutely different. It is exactly comparable to the doping in cycling teams : most of the teams' members are involved. And why so many teams were into doping? Because they knew other teams were into it. So to win, they had to go doping. It is a neverending process.

What happened in this race is that only one team did it. But, if nothing is done, next time it will be 30% of the teams, next one, 50%, next ones 70% (I assume there will always be some racers prefering driving with sportsmancraft, having almost no chance to win, than being another cheater).
 
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Implementing a cheating system with your team is something absolutely different. It is exactly comparable to the doping in cycling teams : most of the teams' members are involved. And why so many teams were into doping? Because they knew other teams were into it. So to win, they had to go doping. It is a neverending process.

Exactly. Perhaps the major reason why this particular RD thread has carried on for as long as it has is the apparent, if not obvious, culture of cheating at the Williams Esports team level. What a sad and stupid way to risk damaging their brand or reputation over something so, so insignificant.
 
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For me, offline racing is better, because my anxiety makes me feel like if I mess up, like overshooting a turn or missing a braking point, and accidentally bump into someone, that someone might get mad at me and possibly start calling me out or making fun of me :cry:
Yup I have anxiety issues too. :( fricken hate it.
 
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For me, offline racing is better, because my anxiety makes me feel like if I mess up, like overshooting a turn or missing a braking point, and accidentally bump into someone, that someone might get mad at me and possibly start calling me out or making fun of me :cry:

I don't think I'm the only one in this thread who was impressed with your willingness to acknowledge your feelings of anxiety from racing online. Despite the obvious competitive nature of any form of motorsport (including the virtual kind), most of our effort behind the wheel is spent fighting against our own, unique set of limitations. Thanks for the honesty.
 
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Um, no? Coming in 1st is winning regardless of how you do it, and all of your childhood sporting heroes would do the same thing because that's the mentality you need to have to win in sports. If you don't take advantage of any loophole that presents itself, you get left behind by those who do. Hence;
Well if you believe that you can't win unless you cheat, that's pathetic. You must be very unfulfilled because you never were able to win at anything by using hard work and dedication. Just by your statement, I can only assume you cheat in everything you do competitively. No, the best don't cheat, they work hard and hone their craft. I'll leave it with this.

There is, sportsmanship and there is turdsmanship. By your comments people will place you accordingly.
 
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Exactly. Perhaps the major reason why this particular RD thread has carried on for as long as it has is the apparent, if not obvious, culture of cheating at the Williams Esports team level. What a sad and stupid way to risk damaging their brand or reputation over something so, so insignificant.
And, by chance for them, nobody will remember each individual involved in that. They should quit that team and try to make a better reputation by themeselves, and let Williams alone with its shame. Well it depends on iracing decision.

If nothing is done to punish this team, we can forget sportsmancraft in simracing esport. It wasn't interesting to watch, it will be less interesting to watch a bjnch of cheating teams. And with this image, online racing will not appeal to new comers. At worse, all the gains for the genre during these lzst years will be lost as fast as they came.

What should be learned from these experiences is that involving high level professionnals in simracing esport is not a good idea. Rfactor2 and iracing got the worst communication they could get just because of professional individuals.

Whereas simracing aliens aren't well known outside of a few people from the simracing community (a niche in the niche), at least these are respected and the communication arpund them has always been positive. I mean, having never been interested in esports, during many years, I had been reading or watching news about these aliens from time to time, and always in a positive and interesting manner.

Maybe, now that, thanks to all of this bad communication but increased notoriety, these companies can throw these toxic professionals away and focus on "real" sim racers, which are, before all, REAL GAMERS, who play by the rules, not a bunch of insane professional individuals who don't know how to act to keep a good gaming environment... Because, at the end, it is only gaming...
 
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Guys, whether you agree with an opinion or not there's no need to insult a fellow member. He's entitled to his view and it's fair to say that there's some truth in it, you only need to read a few sports or other biographies to realise that.
So let's stay polite please.
 

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