[UPDATED] Questionable tactics exposed after iRacing's Daytona 24h

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As all the noise following rFactor 2 technical issues during the Virtual Le Mans race was starting to settle down, it's the sporting side of things that fuels yet another sim racing esports controversy after iRacing's edition of the Daytona 24h, with Williams Esports being at the heart of it all.

Everything started after qualifying. Pole position lap in the top class was performed by Alxander Spetz in the #1 LMDh car by driving on the apron instead of staying on the banked part of the oval. The rules clearly stated the apron was off limits, and cones were present at the beginning of the turns to further deter cars to take that line, but unusually, the software didn't trigger an off-track strike for using those bits of tarmac. Organizers explained the detection was manually removed to encourage teams suffering car damage to use the apron to crawl back to the pits without crowding the racing line unnecessarily.

Still, despite the driver having suffered a ban from the service, the team still kept, their pole position, and overall race result, although Williams purposefully switched to the face cam view for the whole lap on their own livestream. iRacing stated that the results are definitive once the race is finished, which hasn't been taken well by other competitors and the community, prompting complaints about the lack of live stewarding.

But the worst was yet to come, as sim racing streamer Pablo Araujo released a video exposing even more disturbing behavior from the team, this time in GT3.


As evidenced by replay footage, Williams Esports used a car that was out of contention after sustaining damage to help its other entry in the class. Car #2 purposefully waited in the pits and in the pit exit road to provide slipstream to its sister #55 car - which while questionable, isn't currently actively prohibited by the regulations - but more crucially, actively tempered with other competitors by defending position despite being several laps down. At some point, car #2 even pushed car #034, which was in the leader's lap, into a crash, effectively ending that team's race.

Tweets from Seb Hawkins, the esports team manager, and Jenson Button, Williams ambassador, tried to justify the LMDh car's tactics in qualifying, but haven't communicated yet on the GT side of things, as people are now calling for action from the organizers side.


UPDATE: Williams Esports has released the following statement on the 27th of January to address the described incidents.

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I don't know why people are trying to defend the poor track limit system, that had to be switched off and the lack of live stewarding.
You don't know what you are talking about. The track limit had NOT be switched off. In endurance racing you have to be very carefull to not get too many off tracks because you get a time penalization while pitting. Many teams suffers a lot ad Daytona because gets a lot of off tracks at the bus stop chicane.

Simply, below the apron is not an "off track" zone, so you don't get penalized. It's a gentleman agreement to not do that, reinforced from the sporting code and until now it was respected.

Why don't start to blame Nascar for not penalizing Ross Chastain wall ride? I bet if it happened in iRacing the forums could explode for people screaming he cheated playing a videogame.
 
You don't know what you are talking about. The track limit had NOT be switched off. In endurance racing you have to be very carefull to not get too many off tracks because you get a time penalization while pitting. Many teams suffers a lot ad Daytona because gets a lot of off tracks at the bus stop chicane.

Simply, below the apron is not an "off track" zone, so you don't get penalized. It's a gentleman agreement to not do that, reinforced from the sporting code and until now it was respected.

Why don't start to blame Nascar for not penalizing Ross Chastain wall ride? I bet if it happened in iRacing the forums could explode for people screaming he cheated playing a videogame.
I don't know what I am talking about? So either my reading comprehension needs some work or RD needs to do better research: "Organizers explained the detection was manually removed to encourage teams suffering car damage to use the apron to crawl back to the pits without crowding the racing line unnecessarily."

In theory it's offtrack from the normal racing line otherwise there wouldn't be such a big fuzz wouldn't it? The reason why it looks amateurish from all involved is pretty simple. The platform and event that were described by several people as a "clown show" have in fact an automated system for that. The system detects if your are offtrack or not and - very important - at wich speed you are going and if you are gaining an advantage relative to the cars around you. So if you are crawling back to the pits on the clown show platform you neither need to fear penalties nor being reviewed by the stewards that were non existent in the iRacing event as it seems. And when the system was not in place, S397 reviewed qualy laps for top splits in big events. Even VEC had live stewarding. Why is that so hard for a platform that allways get a dollar-pat on the back with the argument that "they need the money for the service"?

That you need to be carefull in endurance racing in iRacing shows the problem with the iRacing track limit system. It's simply not feasable anymore for a top of the line online racing service and it's been brought up since I don't know how long.
 
? I never mentioned anything about the teams. You made a comparison to Formula 1 and "the sh!tstorm" there being "huge when the stewards set a foot wrong". My response was to that comparison. Nothing to do with the E-sports team sticking a "Williams F1" logo on their clothes.

Exactly. It's just a videogame. No g-forces, no death nor injury, all sims have quite different physics from eachother let alone from real life, no money if a car get's damaged or breaks, no time lost for setup changes, no skills or mechanics needed for setup changes or repairs, no time lost for repairs, physics / gameplay exploits, different forces, different vision (especially when just using a 2D, non-3D/stereoscopic screen), etc. etc. etc. In other words, it's just a videogame, the reaction from people is hilarious.

Yes, it should still be conducted in a professional manner and with rules equally applied to every one but the rage, shouting, and whining from people over a videogame is hilarious...UNLESS there is a potential prize/s on the line which are potentially lost due to issues such as this and the recent RF2 issue but, prizes aside, none of any of this matters as it's just a videogame.

EDIT: WOW!!! I just did some research and discovered the iRacing event had no prizes / money on the line, absolutely none, ZERO!!! LOL!!! That makes all this whining so incredibly pathetic.
I think you miss the point a bit. It doesn't matter if it is just a videogame or not. It's an event where professional teams take part in and it reflects. We all know the difference between sim racing and racing in the real world, yet the racing is real in both cases. My comparison with F1 is still valid, as in both cases we talk about the top level of each discipline. Professional esports isn't just about some kids who play videogames.

And it doesn't matter if there is a prize on the line or not. Even hobby racing leagues without a prize pool have live stewarding or reviewing of actions after the race. In real motorsport there are similar events like the RoC or Bercy Karting in the past, where there was basicly nothing to win for the drivers. If you haven't watched any of this I can only recommend you to watch some footage of the Bercy Karting because they really went for it with all they had. Schumacher even brought his own Kart to the event to have an advantage :p

Anyway, iRacing did nothing wich just seems unprofessional.
 
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The new statement from Williams added to the end of the original article certainly is a better response than the first message that was sent out defending their actions.
 
If anybody asks me why I prefer offline racing and complain about AI in pretty much all the sims, this is why. Sweaty, exploity people for whom winning is more important than a fair racing environment. And those appear at all competitive levels, not just the top 1%.
For me, offline racing is better, because my anxiety makes me feel like if I mess up, like overshooting a turn or missing a braking point, and accidentally bump into someone, that someone might get mad at me and possibly start calling me out or making fun of me :cry:
 
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a late apology after social has blown up in your face is better than no apology at all I suppose.
I could be wrong, but I think the team's social media graphic posted in the updated article contains an autostereogram (aka, magic eye picture):

If I let my eyes relax and look through the Williams Esports apology, rather than at it, and as the words of the last paragraph come a bit out of focus, I think I can make out the following:

"It's all really iRacing's fault."

Does anybody else see it? It's right there between the lines....
 
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I race offline exclusively, because my anxiety makes me feel like if I mess up, like overshooting a turn or missing a braking point, and accidentally bump into someone, that someone might get mad at me and possibly start calling me out or making fun of me :cry:

Anxiety is B hatch
 
Meaningless apology. The only ones that have real value are the ones that come voluntarily from no other motivation than bad conscientiousness, that are heartfelt and said before the person/entity is caught red handed. Now it comes across as the Williams corporation lawyers trying to save face for the parent company in order to try to avoid the risk of potentially loosing sponsors.
 
I race offline exclusively, because my anxiety makes me feel like if I mess up, like overshooting a turn or missing a braking point, and accidentally bump into someone, that someone might get mad at me and possibly start calling me out or making fun of me :cry:
Likewise, and cruelly when I do (more like, when I did) race online 95% of the incidents I'm in are me getting punted off by someone who doesn't care at all.
 
. The only ones that have real value are the ones that come voluntarily from no other motivation than bad conscientiousness, that are heartfelt and said before the person/entity is caught red handed.
Fully agree.
Voluntary counts - forced do not;)
 
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For me, offline racing is better, because my anxiety makes me feel like if I mess up, like overshooting a turn or missing a braking point, and accidentally bump into someone, that someone might get mad at me and possibly start calling me out or making fun of me :cry:

I don't know what games you play, but if you head into the RD Racing Club forums, you can at times find the Freemium races that are open to everyone - it's genuinely a brilliant place to start out, you would not be the first one with anxiety who are scared af to mess up and make people angry, but the vast majority stays with us :) The whole idea behind, and the meaning of the Racing Club here is to have a place where people can learn and grow. There's no namecalling (or, namecalling will lead to a removal), it's a supportive place where setups are shared, driving tips are shared, at times there is "racing school" evenings, where different areas are focus points. What about 8 "races" that's 5 min each, to repeat and repeat the messy situation a start is? And so on.

It's there if you want to dip a toe into the online racing scene :)
 
This is the same problem with time trial at Daytona in AMS2 that I have posted previously.
I suppose their apology {really} comes with forfeiting their position. Winning with integrity is balanced by losing with honor.
 
Off-topic, but relating to some previous posts. It would be great if there were some races organized exclusively for people who suffer from anxiety. As someone who has a severe Social Anxiety Disorder (S.A.D. - I know), I would feel more comfortable racing against fellow sufferers who actually understand something about anxiety. Non-sufferers do not understand, despite many believing they do.
 
Wholeheartedly thankful for the existence of esports, as it brings to light the exact character of the competitors, including real world ones. And these things keep popping up in the virtual scene because implications are usually less serious than in the real world. Remember the Norris - Pagenaud one?
 
I don't know what I am talking about?

In theory it's offtrack from the normal racing line otherwise there wouldn't be such a big fuzz wouldn't it? Why is that so hard for a platform that allways get a dollar-pat on the back with the argument that "they need the money for the service"?

That you need to be carefull in endurance racing in iRacing shows the problem with the iRacing track limit system. It's simply not feasable anymore for a top of the line online racing service and it's been brought up since I don't know how long.
Dude, why don't you subscrive and try yourself, instead of acting like a fool? That's starting to be funny tbh.

Let's make things clear, so you understand you don't know what you're talking about.

Running the apron, in iRacing, doesn't give you a penality. Period.
You don't get an "1x Off track";
you don't get a "Slow Down" penality.

OK? Is it clear? Do you understand or you need a little drawing?

You can drive the apron because it's part of the track, you can use it for enter/exit pit, BUT you can't race or qualify on the apron because it's against the official sporting code, and you can get protested and get a BAN.

You can protest someone that race on the apron, after thee cool down period (aproximately 2hrs) after the race, so.... you can't be dq WHILE you're racing, you get the penality AFTER the race.

So.... the Williams team didn't cheat, OK? Is it clear? They were derespectful and didn't act with fair play, and they got what they deserved: an immense sh**storm.

As for live stewarding, LOL, do you have an idea of how many people do you need for stewarding 85 splits for 24h? No, you clearly are too closed minded to understand. Or do you think the live stewarding is needed only in the top split? or... also in second split? or third one?

Last point... so it's not right to be carefull in endurance racing? LOL wtf? I think you don't know how safety rating works dude.

In the past during endurance special events you could do as many off track you wanted, you could start the race A4.99, win and be demoted to rookie class due to off tracks, clearly that was not fair.
So now you have a limited number of off track you can get, when you pass it you get a timed penality while in the box, then you get DQ.

Conclusion, I don't have any more time to explain well know things to a fool who isn't smart enough to check facts, you have your opinions, good for you dude, but there is an objective fact:

16,651 people had fun racing on iRacing for 24Hours. Get over it.
 
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- As in real life; rascals pushing the limits of the regulation a little to get that little advantage... although this hasn't been pushing, it has been throw them off a cliff...

- A statement, very well, but... will some head/s roll, if possible, that of the cheater/s?

- Jenson Button, one of my idols in and out the track, educated, friendly, nice... Oooooh no... not you, pleeeease...

- Well, actually at the end all this doesn't matter to me since I play offline (among other things, because I'm terrible at driving)... and every time I see things like this, I'm more happy with my choice... :D
 
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