2022 Formula One Singapore Grand Prix

Perhaps swap the sprint races for...


Well it IS in a car park

zwiss said:

WTF.
Max is a super good driver.
I am just saying that dominance is boring.
And that Schumacher, Vettel and Hamilton are ALSO good drivers.
But Dutch fans can not cope with that

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Those guys had so many races that been boring to watch as their car was superior to everything else on the track.

RichardHessels said:

Those guys had so many races that been boring to watch as their car was superior to everything else on the track.

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The Fact is that F1 has moved into such rule pressed situation it's difficult to see where excitement can come from.
The drivers are trained from preschool, the cars are limited by design having to fit into FIA boxes, and the tracks are designed for safety, not to mention hundreds of millions of dollars are spent on computer tech to keep every detail of every wheel revolution in check,
So really, only the weather and breakdowns can spoil the processional results... well Charles has an old school habit of throwing the car off the circuit every now and then, but that's by the by.

We probably remember more excitement from yesteryear than actually happened in one season, many say "what about... Mansell 86, Senna in Monaco, Stewart Nordschleife..." but these things are worlds and years apart.

Business Investors have taken F1 from being eliteist to accessibly casual and with that comes a undulatingly level playing field and (in my opinion) a mistaken idea that it should be a constrained at the same time as demanding unrealistic results.
The problem with both Investors and Casual audiances is that they're more fickel than a bunch of students on a night out... blink too often and they're gone.

RichardHessels said:

Those guys had so many races that been boring to watch as their car was superior to everything else on the track.

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You see.
Dutch people always say it's only the car.
Except for Max

zwiss said:

You see.
Dutch people always say it's only the car.
Except for Max

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You see?
You see what?

justwannadl said:

I would love to see the current F1 drivers racing each other in karts, regardless of track venue.

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One of the thigns I really like about the W series is that it goes out of its way to ensure that all the cars are equal (which even though they're spec series, isn't the case in F3 and F2 since it comes down to team manufacturing quality). I'd love to see the current F1 crop in those.

Pete Conway said:

Business Investors have taken F1 from being eliteist to accessibly casual and with that comes a undulatingly level playing field and (in my opinion) a mistaken idea that it should be a constrained at the same time as demanding unrealistic results.
The problem with both Investors and Casual audiances is that they're more fickel than a bunch of students on a night out... blink too often and they're gone.

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I'd actually argue that business investors have first taken F1 from being accessibly casual to elitist, and now some other investors are trying to bring it back down again. We're really far away from the series being broadcasted on public television, or from people driving the cars they build themselves.

Otherwise I mostly agree with you: I do think that some of the measures introduced in the past few years are good: The cost cap in particular is a great idea, as motorsports does have a tendency to be about who has the most money to throw at things, and equalizing that factor goes a long way of making things feel more equal whilst it still being a sport at heart - whilst not going to GT3 levels of equalization.

But what I've been seeing the past few years is that the focus seems to be so much on F1 as a show rather then as a sport, and I think that will end up hurting the overal package. In any sport you'll have people who dominate, exercebated in F1 by the difference in technology, but even in a racing series that's comparatively little about technology (eg any athlethics), you'll have people or teams that dominate and walk away. Football, which arguably isn't about technology at all, will still have teams that have more money to throw at players, teams that walk away with the win, and matches in which basically nothing happens in 90 minutes. It still rakes in massive amounts of money.

IMO what F1's current leadership should look at is not measures to improve the show, but rather measures to increase the health of the competition: The cost cap works there, but there's also plenty of reasons why a lot of new teams are reluctant to even sign up. Things like "Anti-Dilution Fees" and the like give the impression to me that the big teams don't really want competition. They want to be the center of the show. Don't let them. Make sure you can get mroe teams in there. Give me a 30 car F1 field.

MoerasGrizzly said:

One of the thigns I really like about the W series is that it goes out of its way to ensure that all the cars are equal (which even though they're spec series, isn't the case in F3 and F2 since it comes down to team manufacturing quality). I'd love to see the current F1 crop in those

I'd actually argue that business investors have first taken F1 from being accessibly casual to elitist, and now some other investors are trying to bring it back down again. We're really far away from the series being broadcasted on public television, or from people driving the cars they build themselves.

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What I meant was, there are far more casual fans and driver 'fanbois' than ever before, though they would be off without a thought if something else were to show up,
The elitist values of the past I referred to were those that religiously watched F1 on a Sunday instead of going to the pub, those stalwart FANS... (with no mates)
The accessibility is now such that it can be seen in the pub by all and sundry, and investors know this and fire cash at it... until, and the rug that could be pulled out is far bigger than ever before.

As for the W series, hell yeah, many of them are very good (in those cars*), Jamie Chadwick even beat Mick Schumacher at the Race of Champions,

It's having financial trouble at the moment but F1 should look to supporting it while it wavers financially, I feel that there is an opportunity for F1 to promote Women drivers now, and stick by them

* I realise that not all lower category champions succeed in F1

MoerasGrizzly said:

...... They want to be the center of the show. Don't let them. Make sure you can get mroe teams in there. Give me a 30 car F1 field.

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I absolutely agree with the more teams desire, even though Stefano Domenicarli claims it's currently just right, as a fan I say it ain't.
Back in the 70's/80's we sometimes had up to 36 cars competing the pre-qualifying for the 26 car grid, that was, and could again be awesome, it would ne some form of input from manufacturers helping out with the main drives nice and cheap, but we could have shock results like when Senna carved through the field in a Toleman at Monaco, that same year in (1984) there were 18 teams competing for a chance.

Pete Conway said:

I absolutely agree with the more teams desire, even though Stefano Domenicarli claims it's currently just right, as a fan I say it ain't.
Back in the 70's/80's we sometimes had up to 36 cars competing the pre-qualifying for the 26 car grid, that was, and could again be awesome, it would ne some form of input from manufacturers helping out with the main drives nice and cheap, but we could have shock results like when Senna carved through the field in a Toleman at Monaco, that same year in (1984) there were 18 teams competing for a chance.

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Though given the infamous unreliability of the cars in the 80s I'd guess you'd need a lot of teams if you wanted some cars to finish the race at all