Have Your Say – VR or No VR?

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Do you race in VR?


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Sim racing is a perfect gaming format to experience with VR, but some in the sim community are very pro-VR while others are holding back. Have your say in the comments below on whether VR is for you, and why.

A good Virtual Reality sim racing experience is hard to beat, but technical limitations and limited developer support has slowed the growth of VR. So, we want to hear from you. Is VR worth having for sim racers in 2021?

While the global stats on its use on Steam puts the percentage of VR in the single digits, most sim racing polls put the percentage of users who at least own a headset in the 25-35% range. Even with this high level of VR owners, many high-profile racing franchises such as F1 and WRC have yet to implement official VR support. Other sim titles like Assetto Corsa, rFactor 2 and RaceRoom have supported VR for years, and are enjoyed by thousands of sim racers around the world.

For many in the community, VR is the only way to sim race. This crowd even has a slogan: “No VR, No Buy”. Undoubtedly, there aren’t any more immersive or exciting ways to experience sim racing visually than to virtually control the head of the driver. The first sim racing experience in VR is something most people don’t quickly forget. Sitting virtually in cars most of us will never get to drive in real life at a track most of us will never get to experience is undeniably cool.

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Contrast the above list of pros with some known shortcomings of VR, and you end up with a divided set of opinions. Among those who have tried VR sim racing and moved on, two of the common complaints are that the video appears grainy and the frame rate is too low. Both issues can be mitigated with higher end hardware, but the cost of such hardware is prohibitive to many. A byproduct of a lower framerate in VR is often motion sickness. Motion sickness can occur in VR at any frame rate, but it’s more common with sub-90 FPS experiences, and makes Virtual Reality impossible for some.

It’s also possible that we’re only in the infancy of VR, and the next generation will improve the visually quality and frame rate even on affordable GPUs and HMDs. Other than flight simulators, no gaming format takes advantage of a VR view quite like racing simulators. If the demand for VR continues from racing gamers, the developers will hopefully look to make support more commonplace in future titles and improve the experience in kind.

So, we want to hear from you. Do you use VR? What keeps you coming back or keeps you away from VR, and what do you think the future will hold for VR sim racing?
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Mike Smith
I have been obsessed with sim racing and racing games since the 1980's. My first taste of live auto racing was in 1988, and I couldn't get enough ever since. Lead writer for RaceDepartment, and owner of SimRacing604 and its YouTube channel. Favourite sims include Assetto Corsa Competizione, Assetto Corsa, rFactor 2, Automobilista 2, DiRT Rally 2 - On Twitter as @simracing604

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I see no issue with "those statements". People are simply sharing their opinions, experiences and preferences, same as you. No need to take offence to someone else having a different opinion on something. They're just as entitled to offer their input in the same way you just did, without the little jab at the end there. I mean, we see this all the time, especially from screen users who think that it's fine to bash VR yet as soon as someone has something positive to say about it, there's a problem. Fair enough screen users are the majority but yeah, disappointed that even in a comment that someone is stating their OPINION, as it's put, they still have a problem with others doing the exact same thing.
 
I enjoy driving around in VR. Still I feel it somehow to heavy for practice, qualy then race. So, for me it is reserved only for some online/offline short races where I can feel the immersion.
When I'm preparing for a league race I'm just stick to my three screens setup, which give me all I need to race.
I think, as was said before here, it is better to use what you enjoy more, and suits better to your taste
 
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I actuality have a top set up ( 3080 not 3090 tho) ordered a g 2 last week and send it back.
Too much discomfort and missing the resolution of my screen, sure immersion level is unmatched in VR but that s not the ONLY factor !
I prefer resolution over immersion and confort over sweating, that’s not a FACT it s an OPINION and it’s mine.
You’re entitle to yours too.
Jeez those statements
It must be very hot in your house, you should turn on the air conditioning or a good fan, it is very efficient too.
Bad luck for you, and you are right, each has their own opinion.
On the other hand I realize that I am lucky, I do not sweat in VR, no more than before with a flat screen. Probably because I have done a lot of karting over the years, with the helmet also we are hot, but we get used to it because we like it too much. I think we sweat because we stress, we should not stress, just have fun.
 
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Eh, this is basically me. And yet still, I've managed to find a way to return to even a single screen over VR. I am not going to argue AT ALL that VR is the more immersive experience. It absolutely is. But saying that VR 'trumps' all other ways to drive completely ignores that there are far more things to consider than just immersion when choosing which way to drive. There are MANY things that VR does NOT do better than monitors. I tolerated them for 2+ years exclusively because of the positives VR has to offer. But they aren't for everyone and they aren't always more important than what a single/triple/ultrawide monitor setup will offer.

There's always a balance to find, especially when dealing with sim racing.
Id actually argue against that. With the right setup vr objectivly trumps flat. Since you get depth in 3d
 
Does depth allow you to see your surroundings, button boxes, wheel buttons, dash, streamdeck, etc? Does having depth eliminate the need for someone to wear glasses if they require them to see properly while inside their headset? Does having depth stop the discomfort of having a device strapped to your face in the middle of summer during long events? Does having depth allow you to be mindful of your surroundings, should you be in the vicinity of small children while you're able to put in a few laps with them playing a few meters away? Does having depth make your PC absolutely able to run VR as well as a monitor does while giving an equally sharp and detailed image quality? I could go on.

You see, my friend, once again, you've failed to actually comprehend the entire point of my post. VR trumps flat in A FEW areas. That doesn't mean that it conclusively does so. An F1 car would trump a street car if that were the case, simply because it's faster. Care to tell me how nice an F1 car would be as a daily driver?

Useless post.
 
On a side note: I was at the SimeExpo at Nürburgring last weekend and actually did not see ONE single VR headset on all the probably 100 and more simrigs there, all with flat screens, single or triple. It's probably also for sanitary reasons, just found it remarkable.
 
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yeah, you couldnt put a VR headset on display with current conditions at an expo.

VR is nice to help get a friend setup relatively well on your own rig but wouldnt be the best trying to get lots of people on a rig and then off to the next thing. Also, unless you are selling VR headsets, it ends up hiding what you are selling.
 
Does depth allow you to see your surroundings, button boxes, wheel buttons, dash, streamdeck, etc? Does having depth eliminate the need for someone to wear glasses if they require them to see properly while inside their headset? Does having depth stop the discomfort of having a device strapped to your face in the middle of summer during long events? Does having depth allow you to be mindful of your surroundings, should you be in the vicinity of small children while you're able to put in a few laps with them playing a few meters away? Does having depth make your PC absolutely able to run VR as well as a monitor does while giving an equally sharp and detailed image quality? I could go on.

You see, my friend, once again, you've failed to actually comprehend the entire point of my post. VR trumps flat in A FEW areas. That doesn't mean that it conclusively does so. An F1 car would trump a street car if that were the case, simply because it's faster. Care to tell me how nice an F1 car would be as a daily driver?

Useless post.

You are partly right, and above all, if you do not like VR, it's your right, each to their own.
But...
It's not just the depth in Vr ... although that's great.
For example, I hear a car on my right passing me, hop! I turn my head, I look to the side.
I want to overtake in a group of cars, I watch my mirrors (by turning my head as if in "real life"), I look quickly to the left, to the right, I see a car, I decide to overtake on the left, as in real life . I have to take a tight turn in Dirt Rally 2, I'm looking at the apex the whole time the turn is going on, it's awesome, just like in real life!
I am alone on the track, I see it in real size, it's big, it's beautiful. As in real life, -)
The graphics quality is far from bad, it's not just resolution in life, and frankly sometimes I drive slowly, I just enjoy the scenery.
The buttons on the steering wheel? I can feel them very well with my fingers, no problem!
In the menus I use the mouse, often I do not remove the helmet.
I have glasses, they don't bother me with my helmet, just be a little careful when I put them on, afterwards I forget.
I don't sweat in summer, I have air conditioning, I don't put on a big jacket ;-) At karting I don't bother either, I just relax to the max.
I no longer have a small child, just a big 17-year-old kid who comes and slaps me on the shoulder to tell me that he needs me and I stop riding right away to help him. what is my kid! ;-)
The viewing angle is not that bad, with the Quest 2 it is 120 ° while with a 140cm (55inch) screen at a distance of 1m70 it is 40 °!
With three screens it's much better, it's true.
But hey, a lot of people who criticize VR and its "bad field of view" don't have three screens in their homes.
On the other hand, three screens I find it great too, just that I prefer VR because: never sick, little space needed, total immersion, depth, size scale respected in relation to reality, no sweating, not so expensive than that (445 euro a good helmet).
But you're right in your point of view, I agree with your arguments if that's how you feel.
As long as you have fun, that's the main thing.
I continue to say what I think of VR, because for me it is the biggest slap I have received since the arrival of the force feedback wheels on Pc and I want to let those who do not know not so that they have a choice, as you do on your side.
Have a good time with your child as long as he is small, he will very quickly grow up, you will see. :)
Have a nice day at home.
 
I actuality have a top set up ( 3080 not 3090 tho) ordered a g 2 last week and send it back.
Too much discomfort and missing the resolution of my screen, sure immersion level is unmatched in VR but that s not the ONLY factor !
I prefer resolution over immersion and confort over sweating, that’s not a FACT it s an OPINION and it’s mine.
You’re entitle to yours too.
Jeez those statements
I respect your opinion but for me it's the other way around - immersion is the ONLY factor that lured me into simracing.
Race cars are not comfortable, they're claustrophobic and they make you sweat, your vision is severely limited by the helmet.
Ever since I was a little kid I wanted to be a race car driver.
Since I can't fulfill that dream, simulation is the only drug left for me.
I never looked at simulation software as a game, replication of reality was always fascinating to me.
But then again, if someone just wants to have fun in the comfort of their home, I completely dig that.
I'm just a Steve McQueen type of guy - a complete sucker for speed.
 
I actuality have a top set up ( 3080 not 3090 tho) ordered a g 2 last week and send it back.
Too much discomfort and missing the resolution of my screen, sure immersion level is unmatched in VR but that s not the ONLY factor !
I prefer resolution over immersion and confort over sweating, that’s not a FACT it s an OPINION and it’s mine.
You’re entitle to yours too.
Jeez those statements
Did you try flight sim? or maybe Half Life? Doom 3? what about porn? how about Far Point?

What monitor res you running? the G2 should be as clear as your panel, my Q2 is very clear at native.

For someone with a 1.5K+ gpu you seem very dismissive of cutting edge tech within 1 week of parting with 500+£

If i spent that much dosh on something i find your statement utterly bizarre.

If my Q2 is clear enough, why would someone clearly with enough £ to pay hi + gpu price send back the clearest VR headset within a week, when you can watch A1 birds, fly planes, shoot aliens, plus much more within a WEEK of buying it.

The effort you have to go through too, repacking it etc etc, you either need to earn more money or just chill the f out.
 
@Nicoboks what res were you running it at? you are aware of barrel distortion? i am imagine you are.

I look forward to your figures.
 
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As a sim drifter I found it essential to have a VR headset. When you spend your lap going sideways, being able to look out of the side windows is great.

Even the low res of the Oculus CV1 was brilliant.
I have recently upgraded to the Reverb G2
 
No VR no buy as it’s tough going back to the pancake way of racing. A person could have quadruple monitors stacked around them with those black frame bands in between them and it won’t touch the immersion level VR has.
 
@Nicoboks what res were you running it at? you are aware of barrel distortion? i am imagine you are.

I look forward to your figures.
maybe my english is bad ..so nope i dont know what is barrel distortion ... i was running 50 % and 100 % in steam vr and didh't notice a lot of difference graphically speaking , 50 % was 90 fps stable no problem 100 % was a little bit harder to sustain.
Everything which was closed too me was amazing, wheel, dash board, even the mirror but everything at distance was way too blurry for me and that's what you're lookin when driving and it cause me some eye strain fairly quickly. i really missed my g9 and happy to be back.
i love the techno it's amazing but it's still a few years away for when i ll definitely make the jump

i only try i racing because it's 90 % of my sim racing time and it s known to be one of the best racing game running vr
 
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Did you try flight sim? or maybe Half Life? Doom 3? what about porn? how about Far Point?

What monitor res you running? the G2 should be as clear as your panel, my Q2 is very clear at native.

For someone with a 1.5K+ gpu you seem very dismissive of cutting edge tech within 1 week of parting with 500+£

If i spent that much dosh on something i find your statement utterly bizarre.

If my Q2 is clear enough, why would someone clearly with enough £ to pay hi + gpu price send back the clearest VR headset within a week, when you can watch A1 birds, fly planes, shoot aliens, plus much more within a WEEK of buying it.

The effort you have to go through too, repacking it etc etc, you either need to earn more money or just chill the f out.
money is not the issue tbh so it s still seating here packed .. i'll run few other tests later during week 13 in i racing when i will not lose 400 i ratings because i can t help my self to jump into a race.
my screen is a G9 and it's magnificient
i have zero gaming interest besides sim racing i hate shooters and play some nba 2 k with my kids on ps5

oh on a side note it was very easy to pack good packaging kudos
and if someone know how can i stop i racing to ask me if i want to play with open vr every time i launch a race i ll appreciate it.
and yes i change the ini file for open vr but it's always coming back
 
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I have never seen professional simulators employing HMD. If it is so superior like many people claim, then why is that?
Because most professional simulators have a completely different purpose, they are for familiarity, procedures, using the same equipment you do in real life. Those are issues where a VR headset does get in the way but is not an issue for us not training to use the real thing on our non equipment matching simulator.
 
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and if someone know how can i stop i racing to ask me if i want to play with open vr every time i launch a race i ll appreciate it.

This happens to me too. Have you uninstalled the WMR software and perhaps even SteamVR? Hopefully we can find a way to turn off the request while not having to do that. I still want to be able to use my headset whenever I feel like and I don't want to have to uninstall everything I've already set up just for that. I don't use iRacing a whole bunch so it doesn't bother me that much but it would be annoying it if was my main sim.
 
This happens to me too. Have you uninstalled the WMR software and perhaps even SteamVR? Hopefully we can find a way to turn off the request while not having to do that. I still want to be able to use my headset whenever I feel like and I don't want to have to uninstall everything I've already set up just for that. I don't use iRacing a whole bunch so it doesn't bother me that much but it would be annoying it if was my main sim.
Thanks just unistalled steam vr and it works
 

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