2022 Formula One Mexican Grand Prix

ZuneGuy · Nov 4, 2022

muzikant said:
You have a Max Verstappen obsession I think just like skysports. Max the angstgegner of Lewis fanboys. You try to do everything you can to take his shine away from his world championship.

I have an obsession with fairness, with performing on a level playing field from every competitor based on the merits of fair play and sticking OBSESSIVELY to the rules - That is my obsession. This is not about Max Verstappen, this is about Red Bull and Max Verstappen and Sergio Perz and the fact that they were the only team to breach the cost cap. If every other team had to stick to the budget cap, why couldn't Red Bull? Horner responded to a question about it by saying that he's pretty surprised that other teams didn't go over budget, well sit down for this one because there is speculation, current speculation that Red Bull may well have breached it again in 2022 and if you read from reputable sites, Horner can't guarantee that they haven't. He says that he's confident that they haven't. As a team they look bad already.

muzikant · Nov 5, 2022

ZuneGuy said:
I have an obsession with fairness, with performing on a level playing field from every competitor based on the merits of fair play and sticking OBSESSIVELY to the rules - That is my obsession. This is not about Max Verstappen, this is about Red Bull and Max Verstappen and Sergio Perz and the fact that they were the only team to breach the cost cap. If every other team had to stick to the budget cap, why couldn't Red Bull? Horner responded to a question about it by saying that he's pretty surprised that other teams didn't go over budget, well sit down for this one because there is speculation, current speculation that Red Bull may well have breached it again in 2022 and if you read from reputable sites, Horner can't guarantee that they haven't. He says that he's confident that they haven't. As a team they look bad already.

you should know what the repairs on all those silver torpedoes cost it's getting tiring

ZuneGuy · Nov 5, 2022

muzikant said:
that's what you and Zuneguy think

muzikant said:
you should know what the repairs on all those silver torpedoes cost it's getting tiring

That's an excuse. Other teams had crashes last season, as they always do and no one else went over budget - no one else, just Red Bull, and they came out smelling sweet this season as a result. This is why everyone is on their case right now. All the teams who aren't Red Bull related feel like they got of easy for cheating. Everyone knows what the extra dough went towards.

muzikant · Nov 5, 2022

muzikant said:
you should know what the repairs on all those silver torpedoes cost

ZuneGuy said:
That's an excuse. Other teams had crashes last season, as they always do and no one else went over budget - no one else, just Red Bull, and they came out smelling sweet this season as a result. This is why everyone is on their case right now. All the teams who aren't Red Bull related feel like they got of easy for cheating. Everyone knows what the extra dough went towards.

you are a sore loser and keep going on about that minimum budget cap. I'm done with it if you don't mind pointless discussion this
it gets annoying in repeat

Jim Layee · Nov 5, 2022

ZuneGuy said:
I have an obsession with fairness, with performing on a level playing field from every competitor based on the merits of fair play and sticking OBSESSIVELY to the rules - That is my obsession. This is not about Max Verstappen, this is about Red Bull and Max Verstappen and Sergio Perz and the fact that they were the only team to breach the cost cap. If every other team had to stick to the budget cap, why couldn't Red Bull? Horner responded to a question about it by saying that he's pretty surprised that other teams didn't go over budget, well sit down for this one because there is speculation, current speculation that Red Bull may well have breached it again in 2022 and if you read from reputable sites, Horner can't guarantee that they haven't. He says that he's confident that they haven't. As a team they look bad already.

If that's the case why on earth do you follow F1 ? It's always been about exploiting the rules , finding grey areas, getting hold of more resources and never ever been fair.

Almost all of the great advances have been bending the rules right up to breaking point and occasionally beyond and then changing the rules.

The ONLY thing that has ever been black and white is checkered flag.

ZuneGuy · Nov 6, 2022

Jim Layee said:
If that's the case why on earth do you follow F1 ? It's always been about exploiting the rules , finding grey areas, getting hold of more resources and never ever been fair.

Almost all of the great advances have been bending the rules right up to breaking point and occasionally beyond and then changing the rules.

The ONLY thing that has ever been black and white is checkered flag.

If it were that simple then the world of Formula One wouldn't be up in arms about 2022 would they, but they are. I guess (like last year) the fact that it's the same team is involved in more controversy is more than disquieting. There are ten teams and only one broke the budget cap and.... won.

It's as though you are talking about some ingenious rule bending innovation, like dual axis steering, or a double diffuser that bent the rules but were deemed to not have broken them in competiton. We're not talking about an invention here. We're talking about a rule that was broken, and Red Bull isn't considered to be innovative with numbers either. They were found guilty and are facing punishment for their misdeed.

Red Bull broke a rule, which is why they are being said to have cheated. Don't believe me? Put just the words - Red Bull cheat- in Google and watch Google try to finish the sentence for you. Red Bull cheats again is even one of the choices - cheats again. These are two of the darkest F1 seasons that I have ever witnessed, and what I get from reading your comments is that you accept cheating as part of competition, but see I don't, neither did the governing body, or the person who broke the news that Red Bull is starting a witch hunt to find.

ZuneGuy · Nov 6, 2022

muzikant said:
you are a sore loser and keep going on about that minimum budget cap. I'm done with it if you don't mind pointless discussion this
it gets annoying in repeat

So what? You might be done but others in and outside the sport are not. Heck I hope they look at the team a bit closer to see what other things they can find.

muzikant · Nov 6, 2022

Last season the pit stops had to be adjusted in the middle of the season and who always had the fastest pit stops?? Right Red Bull

You only read what you want to read. Mercedes was just allowed to use their tie system and continue with their flexiwings the weird top speed they had in Brazil last year also makes me question. are things examined in a fair way?

On Imola your hero made a mistake but was able to fix his car under the savety car so he could just join the race again.

Two torpedoes from Silverstone and Hungary on Verstappen with a lot of damage with the costs for Redbull. Mercedes hardly got any punishment for this

while Verstappen himself did get one penalty after another. But of course you don't hear about that at Skysport

If it were that simple, the world of Formula 1 wouldn't be confused: in your words to Jim

Well I think you are confused and not the world of Formula 1 and you can't let it rest. 1. A tip for you don't read the articles of skysport anymore, they are confusing the whole world of formula 1 with their anti MV campaign

And lastly because I am completely done with this discussion let them build a good car for your hero again, preferably one with 50 hp more than the others.

Antony Snook · Nov 6, 2022

My TV Box had a problem and was down, I ordered a replacement that was suposed to be in on Friday. Not there so i got mad and Angry and finally got a TV box on Monday so i missed Race. Used F1.com to follow leader board but it's not the same as seeing the race and hearing audio to go with it. Only Race i have missed all year. And people are saying it was dull. I still would of liked to watch it and verify it.

Gevatter · Nov 6, 2022

Antony Snook said:
And people are saying it was dull.

It was. The only interesting part imo was that the Red Bulls started on red tires, everybody thought they'd go for a two stop strategy but then Max couldn't make any headway, so two pitstops would have been be a problem for Red Bull. But then the tires held way better than everybody expected, Red Bull did a one stop red-yellow while Mercedes did a one stop yellow-white and Max ran away. There were two or three interesting overtakes in the midfield, other than that there wasn't much to look at.

markg88 · Nov 6, 2022

Gevatter said:
It was. The only interesting part imo was that the Red Bulls started on red tires, everybody thought they'd go for a two stop strategy but then Max couldn't make any headway, so two pitstops would have been be a problem for Red Bull. But then the tires held way better than everybody expected, Red Bull did a one stop red-yellow while Mercedes did a one stop yellow-white and Max ran away. There were two or three interesting overtakes in the midfield, other than that there wasn't much to look at.

Yes, it was a bit of a dull race, certainly in comparison to many of the races these last couple of years, but for quite a while one couldn't be 'sure' who would win.

Antony Snook · Nov 7, 2022

justwannadl said:
I'd like to see Max try a "last to first" challenge.

We have seen it with Lewis and penalty's. 75% of the grid know Max is the better driver in the better car and will give way. So it is only 25% that is down to driver skill and the power of the car. Face it Wen Hamillton had a penalty and was at the back Alonso blocked him for a while then realized he was in a different league to Hamillton and should let him round.

Jim Layee · Nov 7, 2022

ZuneGuy said:
If it were that simple then the world of Formula One wouldn't be up in arms about 2022 would they, but they are. I guess (like last year) the fact that it's the same team is involved in more controversy is more than disquieting. There are ten teams and only one broke the budget cap and.... won.

It's as though you are talking about some ingenious rule bending innovation, like dual axis steering, or a double diffuser that bent the rules but were deemed to not have broken them in competiton. We're not talking about an invention here. We're talking about a rule that was broken, and Red Bull isn't considered to be innovative with numbers either. They were found guilty and are facing punishment for their misdeed.

Red Bull broke a rule, which is why they are being said to have cheated. Don't believe me? Put just the words - Red Bull cheat- in Google and watch Google try to finish the sentence for you. Red Bull cheats again is even one of the choices - cheats again. These are two of the darkest F1 seasons that I have ever witnessed, and what I get from reading your comments is that you accept cheating as part of competition, but see I don't, neither did the governing body, or the person who broke the news that Red Bull is starting a witch hunt to find.

Red Bull being a tad over an artificial spending limit early in it's adoption where the grey areas and interpretations are yet to be ironed out is so far off the top of bad things that happened in Formula 1 that it doesn't even have a place in the top 100.

But the marketing departments love making people react this way instead of considering the context and will keep this nonsense happening over and over because it creates views.

My god it rained at 2 races in a row and 'fans' of controversy were demanding rule changes. It's pitiful really.

Google autocompletes based on what you have searched for and pages you've clicked on so it's usefulness as evidence is zero.

Keep drinking the Kool Aid

ZuneGuy · Nov 8, 2022

Jim Layee said:
Red Bull being a tad over an artificial spending limit early in it's adoption where the grey areas and interpretations are yet to be ironed out is so far off the top of bad things that happened in Formula 1 that it doesn't even have a place in the top 100.

But the marketing departments love making people react this way instead of considering the context and will keep this nonsense happening over and over because it creates views.

My god it rained at 2 races in a row and 'fans' of controversy were demanding rule changes. It's pitiful really.

Google autocompletes based on what you have searched for and pages you've clicked on so it's usefulness as evidence is zero.

Keep drinking the Kool Aid

Christian... Is that you?

If you avoid paying taxes or try any funny business with your answers to the IRS - they will come after you. Red Bull is viewed to have cheated. The reason why it is in Google searches is because 1. it is a hot topic, basically anything that is considered "trending" will end up in Google searches if the search topic is related to what is currently trending. You can do the search signed in or not signed in on any computer on any IP address and it will yield the same results. 2. Google also considers searched topics made by people and what sentences, words, and or phrases were used in the search.

Sorry but Red Bull are seen as cheaters as many in and outside F1 feel that they have gained an advantage in doing so, both this season and possibly down the next. It's such an advantage that some teams are literally considering exceeding the cost cap themselves and taking the light punishment.

P.S. You can't try and sweep this under the proverbial rug Christian, and yes... the Kool Aid is good. No High Fructose Corn Syrup please.

davehenrie · Nov 8, 2022

I saw a headline in a general news type site that stated perhaps 6 other teams may have exceeded the cost cap.

2022 Formula One Mexican Grand Prix

Who will win the Mexican Grand Prix?

Max Verstappen

Charles Leclerc

Sergio Perez

George Russell

Carlos Sainz

Lewis Hamilton

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