2021 Formula One United States Grand Prix

paracletus said:

gentlemanly manner

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.. but Stirling never won the championship, and Kimi only once.

paracletus said:

It’s not good for the sport. You’d never see Sir Stirling Moss, Nigel Mansell or Graham Hill flipping the bird on the racetrack or acting with such indecorum in front of the crowds.

These entitled gen z hotshots would do well to take a look at how the true greats conducted themselves. These brats are massively paid role models, representing the brand and the sport and have a responsibility to act appropriately.

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That’s why I hate that stupid DRS.

PegaMixel said:

This is overexaggerated by a long shot, 397 to 199 points isn't exactly what i would call a title fight and to be fair, the only "war" between Vettel and Webber that year was Malaysia. The rest of the year was pretty dull between the two.

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Quote from https://racingnews365.com :

With Webber and Vettel told to turn down and save fuel, Vettel had more fuel onboard and set about attacking Webber. Lining him up through Turn 10, Vettel managed to get alongside but moved over too quickly, hitting his teammate. Both would spin off, with a furious Vettel climbing out and making the 'crazy' finger gesture for the benefit of the TV cameras. Webber would go on to finish in third, but both Christian Horner and Helmut Marko backed Vettel's move in the press.

My bad, for some reason i only focused on the "2013" in your post, without realizing that you wrote "2010-2013". Carry on.

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Maybe table tennis or golf is a better sport for you to follow.

Six F1 title fights that turned into war
Nelson Piquet and Nigel Mansell (1986-1987) ...
Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg (2013-2016) ...
Damon Hill and Michael Schumacher (1994-1995) ...
Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel (2010-2013) ...
Didier Pironi and Gilles Villeneuve (1982) ...
Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost (1988-1990)[/quote]

That's irrelevant. I don't remember seeing any of the greats that I previously mentioned showing anywhere near the level of petulance that the current cohort are frequently displaying.

It isn't illegal to call any of them out for acting like spoiled children, like it or not.

Rusty911 said:

Mercedes is replacing engines for Valtteri like he is collecting F1 engines for his future retirement hobby. I have read somewhere that a team is only allowed to replace an engine if it is for reliability reasons. Can someone confirm that is true? And if so why does Mercedes get away with it, because I don’t believe a word of that ’reliability problems’ story Toto is telling to the press. Mercedes have had a very good record concerning engine reliability in the last couple of years.

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This is the 6th ICE (so not complete engine, only combustion) that is replaced on Bottas' car. Will give him a 5 place grid penalty. Seems also to be a kind of test for the reliability of the Mercedes engines in general. Collect more data to determine if Lewis' car needs a new ICE/Engine in the upcoming races (with penalty) or use the one already in his car and keep it for the remaining six races?

BrainsBush said:

kind of test

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Bottas is often quickest in FP1; Merc may crank his engines harder.

It will be a good race only problem is it goes live at 4pm Eastern. That means i will miss NASCAR Monster energy race as it closes out the championship. I am so used to races coming on at 7am-10am. So seeing a F1 race in the early evening is weird. But it will be like that for Mexico and Sau Paulo.

paracletus said:

It’s not good for the sport. You’d never see Sir Stirling Moss, Nigel Mansell or Graham Hill flipping the bird on the racetrack or acting with such indecorum in front of the crowds.

These entitled gen z hotshots would do well to take a look at how the true greats conducted themselves. These brats are massively paid role models, representing the brand and the sport and have a responsibility to act appropriately.

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I did a quick search and found a video of the Highly Respected Fernando Alonso flipping the Bird. I recall many such incidents caught by the TV camera's over the years. This is nothing new.

Maybe table tennis or golf is a better sport for you to follow.

Six F1 title fights that turned into war
Nelson Piquet and Nigel Mansell (1986-1987) ...
Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg (2013-2016) ...
Damon Hill and Michael Schumacher (1994-1995) ...
Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel (2010-2013) ...
Didier Pironi and Gilles Villeneuve (1982) ...
Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost (1988-1990)[/quote]

That's irrelevant. I don't remember seeing any of the greats that I previously mentioned showing anywhere near the level of petulance that the current cohort are frequently displaying.

It isn't illegal to call any of them out for acting like spoiled children, like it or not.[/QUOTE]

It’s just a part of the fight for the championship and i love it! After years watching a parade we finally have a real fight for the Championship which were waiting for and now some people start cry about the smallest things.

And BTW this also happened in the past with greatest you mentioned Mansell right?

Nelson Piquet and Nigel Mansell (1986-1987)

Two of the most stubborn drivers of their era, the rivalry between Nelson Piquet and Nigel Mansell turned sour quite quickly when they teamed up at Williams.

As the 1983 World Champion, Piquet moved to Williams alongside Mansell believing he would be the team leader. But this didn't really happen, and the rivalry quickly turned acrimonious as Piquet made some personal comments about Mansell's wife, Rosemary.

A battle at Brands Hatch in 1986 saw Piquet refuse to take up Mansell's offer of a handshake on the podium and, despite Mansell's dominance of the middle part of the season, the British and the Brazilian driver's feud ended up costing them both the title as Alain Prost snuck past to clinch it at the final race.

In 1987, with Williams as the fastest car, it was a similar story. Mansell pulled off one of the most famous moves of the modern era as he wrong-footed Piquet at Stowe at Silverstone, hardly improving the relationship between the pair.

Piquet would win the '87 title after Mansell injured his back in a crash at Suzuka, with Piquet promptly leaving to join Lotus. Since then, there's been very little public acknowledgement of the other, aside from the odd occasional TV appearance.

The nature of their relationship meant that, had either driver been at Williams by themselves in 1986 and 1987, they likely would have walked to the titles. Instead, their unwillingness to work together cost Williams the Drivers' Championship in both seasons.

Zolazem said:

Maybe table tennis or golf is a better sport for you to follow.

Six F1 title fights that turned into war
Nelson Piquet and Nigel Mansell (1986-1987) ...
Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg (2013-2016) ...
Damon Hill and Michael Schumacher (1994-1995) ...
Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel (2010-2013) ...
Didier Pironi and Gilles Villeneuve (1982) ...
Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost (1988-1990)

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That's irrelevant. I don't remember seeing any of the greats that I previously mentioned showing anywhere near the level of petulance that the current cohort are frequently displaying.

It isn't illegal to call any of them out for acting like spoiled children, like it or not.

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It’s just a part of the fight for the championship and i love it! After years watching a parade we finally have a real fight for the Championship which were waiting for and now some people start cry about the smallest things.

And BTW this also happened in the past with greatest you mentioned Mansell right?

Nelson Piquet and Nigel Mansell (1986-1987)
Two of the most stubborn drivers of their era, the rivalry between Nelson Piquet and Nigel Mansell turned sour quite quickly when they teamed up at Williams.

As the 1983 World Champion, Piquet moved to Williams alongside Mansell believing he would be the team leader. But this didn't really happen, and the rivalry quickly turned acrimonious as Piquet made some personal comments about Mansell's wife, Rosemary.

A battle at Brands Hatch in 1986 saw Piquet refuse to take up Mansell's offer of a handshake on the podium and, despite Mansell's dominance of the middle part of the season, the British and the Brazilian driver's feud ended up costing them both the title as Alain Prost snuck past to clinch it at the final race.

In 1987, with Williams as the fastest car, it was a similar story. Mansell pulled off one of the most famous moves of the modern era as he wrong-footed Piquet at Stowe at Silverstone, hardly improving the relationship between the pair.

Piquet would win the '87 title after Mansell injured his back in a crash at Suzuka, with Piquet promptly leaving to join Lotus. Since then, there's been very little public acknowledgement of the other, aside from the odd occasional TV appearance.

The nature of their relationship meant that, had either driver been at Williams by themselves in 1986 and 1987, they likely would have walked to the titles. Instead, their unwillingness to work together cost Williams the Drivers' Championship in both seasons.

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Well well...see what happens when you're passionate about your point of view? You talk at length....obviously you're capable of it as well and it didn't take you long.

But unlike you, I won't belittle your viewpoint and tell you to "Move on". This is a forum and I live in a country of free speech. If you don't like what I say, keep scrolling, but don't try policing my thoughts, good sir.

What a great nerve breaking quali.

Long time ago a RedBull wins quali at COTA.

Perfect lap Max!!

BrainsBush said:

What a great nerve breaking quali.

Long time ago a RedBull wins quali at COTA.

Perfect lap Max!!

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Would have loved for Perez to turn that provisional into a pole

Good pole Max! Perez also good realy close Qualy

Have to gladly eat my own words, RB bounced back in style, this race is on aparently!

2 Red Bulls vs Hamilton, its going to be an interesting first couple of laps

The Fighting Between Lewis and Max is good!!!!, it’s reminds me of Senna vs Prost in Mp4/4 or Michael with that person “sorry i forget” in 1994.

But for whatever reason is i want to at least One of Ferrari finish in podium, or Daniel win again, as you all know daniel just recently drive nascar in his idol car.
Thx and it’s my opinion

That's irrelevant. I don't remember seeing any of the greats that I previously mentioned showing anywhere near the level of petulance that the current cohort are frequently displaying.

It isn't illegal to call any of them out for acting like spoiled children, like it or not.[/QUOTE]

Are you new to F1 and still living in the fantasy world of gentleman drivers?

That's enough now millenials / genz kids, you are boring me now -- go attack some other post constantly.

Back to the topic - the race. Good qualifying.

After Q, it seems you can get a fast car just by finding the setup you need, like RB showed this time