2021 Formula One Italian Grand Prix

LMGiorni said:

I think that Max should have been penalized with a 10s penalty. I know many will say, but he got a DNF what will that do.
And first of all the rules are not there to change the worst possible outcome on an incident are there to compensate for someone that had an advantage for whatever reason in any type of incident.

Let me explain:
British GP, a driver got an advantage over the incident. Hamilton could continue racing and recieved for that a +10s penalty. Why? Because there was a clear advantage between continue racing or being retired of the race.
My problem with the ones that say if DNF 10s penalty is a joke is the following: Let´s imagine Hamilton got a little bit of a problem in the car, not huge but one that make the car not run as fast as normal and with the 10s penalty makes it very difficult to grab big points and they decide to retire the car after a few laps to preserb the engine and many other parts of the car for the next race with full potential on scoring big points.
In this case Hamilton would have reciebed 10s penalty + a DNF (retirement) decided by his own team. No further action by the FIA for the next race. (this did happen in other GPs in the past).

DNF is the worst possible outcome and in Italy there where no advantage taken by any of both of the drivers that got involved in the incident. So why got a penalty for the next race?

Because FIA is considering that applying a +10s penalty is ridiculous over a DNF (the result of the race) then would have expected to have consideration on a harder penalty after the result of British GP taking into consideration that Hamilton won the race, retired the championship contender of the race. The result of the race should have nothing to do with applying another penalty to the driver, only the one that should be imposed in the race.

I know many wont agree but the example I used makes a case where the penalty on Max for me is not just out of context but also unfair.

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Damage Inc said:

Agree, having two disparate punishments is the worst thing about the whole incident.....shows typical bias towards whoevere the current number 1 is.

Although I do wish someone would have a chat with Max and try and tone his aggression down a bit, If he'd been more circumspect in certain situations he'd have a comfy lead still. Then again, he's making F1 exciting again!!

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LMGiorni said:

Yeah but that´s not entirelly true.
I stated an example why this is the case.

Im sure if that would really be the case the sanction would allways the same: +10s penalty in the race and thats it. If there was a DNF doesn't matter and here clearly matters because the penalty is not only a different one (3 grid penalty) but it´s also applied in the following race.

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paracletus said:

Not interested in this much, as it is can be summed up as support your favourite in most cases -- but this is important:
The stewards decision is based on the incident itself, not the outcome.
i.e. "the outcome" (whether one car retires from race etc) is irrelevant, according to stewarding rules.

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NDG said:

The only thing I hate about Lewis-Max incident is they over shadow the fact that my dream team won with an epic 1-2. They won by merit and not in any chance benefitted from that crash. I'd rather have them finish normally without the crash to prove my point, but otherwise, let the whiner and the looser get a cropper each race and IDGAF.

Get a move on you! My champs can't promise to win the next races. You can get back your spotlight when Lewis and Max resume their whining. Otherwise, these days belongs to McLaren!

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Badwheels said:

Since I am on page 13 of the comments, I know no one will see this.

The cause of the crash between Lewis and Max was not either Lewis or Max's fault.
It was the shitty pit crews. An 11 second and 4 second pit stop ? Really ? They never should have been near each other. What a crock. Toto and Christian really need to be burning some asses this morning. I could have done 11 seconds by myself.

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"They are there, both champions, and they are always fighting to the limit and today... seems an unfortunate position and corner and kerb, the car jumps a little bit, and then they touch tyre with tyre, and the rubber makes a car fly," Alonso said.

"But it's low speed, you know, they are at 30 or 40km/h, there is no danger, there is no nothing.

"So I don't think that was a big thing. Silverstone probably yes, but today it was just a racing incident."

Alonso added: "I think Lewis tried to run wide in Turn 1 to maybe force Max to cut the corner. Max doesn't cut the corner, stays on the outside, but then there is no corner possible to make on the inside for Turn 2.

"They both did what they should do, you know, and unfortunately, they touched each other.

"I saw the replay of the start as well, and Giovinazzi and Leclerc, they touched in the same way. Stroll and Perez, they touched at the start in the same way [in] Turn 1 and 2. But they didn't touch wheel to wheel, so it's not the same outcome.

"But this is a very typical manoeuvre [in] Turn 1, Turn 2, and they were unlucky [that] they touched tyre with tyre."

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Alonso's Ferrari rival Carlos Sainz believes the crash could have been avoided had either Verstappen or Hamilton wanted to.

"An accident is always avoidable," said Sainz. "I think two don't crash if one doesn't want to.

"They are always fighting as tough as they have to fight for the championship, you are more exposed to these kind of incidents, like we've seen in the past, and it's, I guess, a natural thing in Formula 1 [that] two guys that are fighting for a championship tend to collide more often than not, no?

"And from my point of view, the accident is pretty clear. I think, I'm not gonna go into detail. I'm not gonna give you my opinion. Because I feel like there's gonna be some talk in the next drivers' meeting and we need to argue it between all of us."

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Sainz's Ferrari teammate Charles Leclerc said accidents like that are "understandable" when drivers are fighting for the championship.

"It is normal to see those type of accidents," he said. "They are fighting for a world championship and both want to win very badly as I would if I was in that position.

"So it's understandable to see those type of fights – as you've probably seen and as we've seen – in the past happening, and yeah, I won't comment on it."

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